Re: The Health Thread

[seraphim]

Excellent Flames! Great you found this product. It looks like quite a few growth horomone precursers and feel good ingredients. I'm beginning to think that a few of amino acids like gaba can't cross the blood brain barrier and are not stable in pill form. I have taken gaba and mucuna under the tongue, and they both gave me a flat effect, probably how prozac makes a person feel. No feelings at all. So far tyrosine under the tongue by far has the most effect on me.
But I stopped all of that because I didn't like the way I felt on them.
Recently I did a detox and got the die off, or cold/flu symptoms which is good, but had to stop for a while because of this. I didn't drink enough water most likely why. Just the thought of drinking water makes me feel sick. Maybe I get enough from a shower, makes me wonder.

That cat's claw active ingredient looks interesting below. I was going to patent my own ingredient but the plant has escaped me! Actually from a mushroom. It worked kind of like how THC does but without the stoned feeling.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090281180

Found an immune system formula:
http://www.healthproductsusa.net/30nucleotidesinfo_health.htm

[seraphim]

You have a dog blackbird!!!That's wonderful! One of the best things for them are knuckle bones with the marrow in it. I feed my little one that sometimes, it was recommended to me by a pharmacist who knows all the vets. And they said it cleans their teeth so well they don't get decay. Of course by chewing on it. My little one has some interesting tastes, she goes crazy for menstrual blood and other things..her favorite.....she is hilarious!

p.s. flames, what do you think about starting Vitamin D at the end of October and keep taking it everyday and see if you feel any different when winter shows itself?

[Blackbird]

Hello Seraphim, yes I do care for a dog. He is a 4 year old boxer that has a story. We took him in from some mean family that wanted to ship him off to dog jail. They kept him in a kennel for most of his life because they couldn't deal with his exuberant puppiness. They bought him from some puppy store and I'm sure he was expensive because he is akc papered. Then they took off his nuts and after his cuteness began to fade they wanted to get rid of him. They named him bugsy and that is what we call him as well. He had really bad allergies so I did some research, threw out his craptastical kibble and he is now eating raw food (wild game, chicken, beef). He gets bones but his teeth are worn down presumably from chewing on the metal cage, so I have to make sure they are manageable for him. No more allergies and he use to take a nap after eating kibble, but now when he eats the raw food he is off to the races and ready to play ropey. He makes me smile everyday.

[seraphim]

You are wonderful Blackbird! He is so lucky!

oh and flames, I'm so glad you found that something works for you!

[Flames]

New Law Could Empty Vitamins Aisle...

by Jim Healthy, on Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:47pm PDT

Do you take your daily multi, or at least make it an intention? That option might become a lot more complicated in the near future.
The FDA, which regulates foods and drugs in the US, has turned its focus on nutritional supplements — and its proposed criteria will leave very few supplements standing.

Here’s what could go down:

Under these new guidelines, Vitamin A, B complex, C, and D, as well as CoQ 10, would be outlawed.
The FDA will require that supplement manufacturers fund prohibitively expensive studies using doses multiplied by a “safety factor” of as high as 2,000 times the recommended dose. For instance, the FDA is proposing that two species of animals, rodents and young dogs, will be forced to ingest 2.4 million milligrams of fish oil per day, for 90 days. Humans take 2,400 milligrams daily — and we weigh 10 times as much as small dogs. In addition to these inhumane practices, this requirement will destroy most supplement companies (except those secretly owned by pharmaceutical manufacturers).

Supplements can only include ingredients found in the “typical food supply.” And what exactly does that mean to the FDA? Does echinacea qualify as being in the typical food supply? (I doubt it, since deep fried echinacea blossoms are not on your local Applebee’s menu.)
The FDA will only approve supplement ingredients that are at the same levels that it uses for synthetic food additives and preservatives, which is in violation of the 1994 law, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA), which categorizes supplements as foods, not additives.

The FDA is treating supplement ingredients under the same exacting scrutiny as it does with known cancer-causing chemicals like aspartame, MSG, and sodium nitrate — demanding that the supplements be reduced to “inert” levels of concentration that will render them ineffective to consumers.

Each ingredient, as well as the supplement itself, will be required to undergo a New Dietary Ingredient Notification (NDIN) process — even if the same ingredient is used by other companies. This process takes 75 days at a bare minimum. And as of yet, 83% of NDINs have been rejected by the FDA. And by the way, “new” refers to products that have been in use for up to 17 years.
Are you worried yet?

After this law passes — and it will if we don’t act soon top stop it — your only options will be pharmaceutical drugs (and we know how well they work, don’t we?).

In case you don’t: Every year, 100,000 people per year die from prescription drugs — and this number only includes people who die from known side effects, not from prescription errors made by doctors and pharmacists.

Guess how many people died in 2006, 2007 and 2008, combined, from supplements? Six.

And yet who is the FDA going after? Not the pharmaceutical industry. They’re going after our supplements.

Here’s how to stop them:

Time for action is short.

The FDA has extended the period for you to protest this law until September 30. So it’s time to raise your voice while there’s still a chance. Once the law passes, it will be too late. Then, you’ll wish you had, I promise.

The Alliance for Natural Health (ANH) has set up an easy, quick way to protest the FDA’s action. Click here to tell Congress and the FDA to keep their hands OFF our supplements. It will only take a few short minutes.

Here

[quicksilvercrescendo]

It's okay.
Most vitamin isolates are crap and without their naturally occurring co-factors can be useless or detrimental to the body.
Go for superfood and whole food sources.
Should you be using vitamins pharmacologically, then isolates may be useful, but may have side-effects.

[seraphim]

That law has been around for over ten years or more, they most likely already passed it, but are desensitizing us, so that we think oh, didn't that bill pass along time ago.

They basically are just getting greedier. They want to regulate and sale supplements through prescription only, imagine the billions more they would make doing that. They make a huge profit off making folks ill.

Those isolate or extracts and supplements over the counter are what people need nowadays to combat all the diseases and deficiencies that everyone has, so they are very important for most folks. Otherwise if we lived off the land and were healthy, whole plants by far without any processing would be the best thing.

Those isolates are also very medicinal and can make some potent medicine, of course with some side effects, but they get the job done. These are the ones the pharmaceutical have been patenting. Since heart disease is the number one killer, they got the extract from foxglove, and made digoxin for heart failure.

So if there is a future, only supplements with minute doses will be sold over the counter, won't do any good. Everything else prescription only. How fun!

[Flames]

lately, some people have been telling me that their doctors are prescribing them Vitamin D-3. Like 5000 IUs. I've never even heard of doctors prescribing vitamins, rather than medications. It's weird. Anyway, I had some blood work done recently. Can't wait to find out where I'm deficient. lol

[Flames]

Anyone have any good natural remedies for sore throat? Woke up yesterday morning and it felt like someone waxed the inside of my throat with sand paper while I was sleeping. The pain subsided as the day went on, must not be anything severe.

[KapitanScarlet]

Perfect opportunity to test out MMS if you have any flames, or if not, a toddy before bed

[seraphim]

Great results with Natrabio Sore Throat in tabs. Main ingredient phytolacca decandra, you can take by itself if you want. Fast acting. Those are all homepathic.
And chuan xin lian, Plum Flower Brand is okay if it is bacterial or viral. Okay good luck.

[highnoon]

They kept him in a kennel for most of his life because they couldn't deal with his exuberant puppiness. They bought him from some puppy store and I'm sure he was expensive because he is akc papered. Then they took off his nuts and after his cuteness began to fade they wanted to get rid of him.

i cant do anything but do nothing upon hearing this.

yuppies and their pathological flowchart of needs/whims that is impossible to comprehend

[highnoon]

about UK dentistry.

quoting a person on another forum

When i think I cant hate the Uk more than i already do, something always happens to make me question why i'm still in this country.

So I called my dentist 6 weeks ago to reschedule an appoint to have my wisdom teeth extracted by a surgeon., (At my last appointed she tried for over an hour to extract the (wisdom) tooth but she couldnt)..
anyway, I call the dentist directly and she tells me in order to rebook the appointed with the surgeon I have to book another appointed with her. I ask her why she cant just do it without me being there, but she insists its the only way.

so I'm at that appointment 2 weeks ago. I tell her i'm only there to rebook the appointment with the surgeon but she tells me she has to do "something" because she's booked me in for the hour. Which I initially didnt have a problem with because I need a small fillings on the 3rd (bottom and top) mollars..... she agree's to this before she starts.

...to cut a long story short she drills and adds a filling to a tooth we didnt even agree on.
I ask why she did that and she say's she had to drill it at some point anyway... I was fuming but decided not to argue with her at that point, i was in too much pain to anyway. Now 2 weeks later after recuperating it hurts even more.
I saw her today to get some painkillers and now she tells me she has to extract the tooth (that i didnt even tell her to touch) because she drilled to close to the nerve... I'm now in the process of suing her and she doesnt know it.

Has anyone else had their teeth fucked up by a dentist.

[KapitanScarlet]

Yeah there seems to be an increase in dental problems caused by inappropriate or shoddy dental work in the uk for definite, although there will still be some very good pros around who do a great job

Re - my reported problem in previous post , i went back to see the dentist who's 2 pieces of work led to 1 extraction and another pain at root , after about 40 minutes of interrogations , explanations, non-explanationS and further talk, which was constantly interrupted by his assistant rearranging dental tools etc , his final word on dentistry and tooth pain was ..............TEETH DONT LIKE TO GET WORKED ON


So then regarding my second problem on the second tooth he had filled which has had pain at the root for nearly 6 months if chewed on , he suggested back in august that we would have to do something about that one, like a root canal or another extraction , i was not having any of those , and decided that i do not want to loose another molar , and i held on to the belief that he had traumatised the nerve during his abrasive drilling , and now in october, small miracle has almost occurred in that the pain has all but gone and i am going to start chewing withy it again slowly

unbelievable, if i had panicked (which i had every reason to do listening to the horror stories out there ) i would be another tooth down and full of more bitterness for uk dentistry , but instead I'm astounded by the recuperation and mysteries of the human nervous system as my damaged molar has literaly listed to my prayers , its nerve has seemingly healed and come back to health

[seraphim]

TEETH DONT LIKE TO GET WORKED ON Very Happy

I swear these dentists act worse than kids, must be from all the mercury vapor fumes!
But seriously things have gone way out of hand. I can't believe how much effort is put out just on trying to stay healthy. The mental and energetics of things out there take it toll affecting the body. So many things going on.

Anyway, I think I have virgo in my house of health, because I have to try out everything that has to do with it. So, I got a colonic, a very strange contraption and I laugh thinking about it. I did that because i felt my paristalsis was slowing down, of course everything caused by stress, just wanted to keep it on track. It really has cleared my mind interestingly, I'm focused and in a meditative state. Don't know if it's because ninety percent of serotonin is made in the gut and I got it flushed out or more in balance.

Who knows, it's a mystery caring for the body. Okay my profound statement, wooo whooo, take care everyone, be careful not to step on others toes!
**Edit**
No wonder it's been said that the gut is second brain, now I think I'm beginning to understand why.

[Flames]

I've been reading a lot about the health benefits of the potent antioxidant called resveratrol found in RED WINE.

I take a reservatrol supplement because I've tried wine a couple of times, and fancy my alcohol with less fruitiness. Maybe I should try red wine again. Reservatrol with a buzz.

Sounds like one of the only healthy alcoholic beverages, certainly it's healthier than the cancer causing ethanol from processed beers.

Anyone here like Red Wine?

[tgII]

I drink a bottle of red wine every two days. Room temp.; a good full body
Cabernet Sauvignon from France, Chile or Australia...just uncorked a medium
bodied Franciscan 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon from Napa Valley...nice...

[KapitanScarlet]

I drink a bottle of red wine every two days

Chuckle ...Tg i could easily slip into that regularity but i only average about 1 bottle a week, i like red and white and even the occasional rosy and guiness and the occasional lager and ...... but i sub-consciously keep my alcohol intakes on the light input area (4 glasses wine max these days in one eve per week ) and realise that that is perfect for my present lifestyle or lack of it

Ive tried so many different wines and keep forgetting to note down the ones i really rate , but what i have noticed which surprised me was that I've tried about maybe 6 budget priced californian red wines and have found them all very palatable

In Vino Veratis (in moderations)

[quicksilvercrescendo]

Resveratrol is found just under and within the skin of red grapes.

I don't believe wine offers anymore resveratrol than the same amount of regular grape juice from red grapes.

What I have read that is key regarding resveratrol in grapes is that if the grape is sprayed with anti-mold chemicals...the grape will have no significant levels of resveratrol. And most commercial grapes are sprayed with these chemicals.
The only way to be sure would be to buy an organic red wine.

When a grape is exposed to naturally occurring molds on its skin, the grapevine has an immune response to the exposure.
It is this protective immune response that is responsible for the formation of resveratrol levels in the grape.
Kill off these molds with spray and the grapevine never has to protect itself, never has an immune response that creates resveratrol and therefore does not have this substance.

The wine industry currently has a lot of fraud going on within it to turn a profit, especially in the mid-price range. You can search this on the internet to find out more about it.

[seraphim]

Howdy folks. TgII I can only imagine what you are eating!
Flames I was going to mention the Vitamix. You can make some real good food with it. If you get tired of juicing this machine is a real treat and something different. And can make a real nice fruit shake for those candida sugar cravings. You can make anything really and some great soups too.
http://www.vitamix.com/household/infocenter/livedemo.asp
Believe it or not the only alcohol I ever had was maybe two glasses of wine and that's it. But I was thinking of making some of my own, I got all the equipment but never have time. I think there is a plant called Japanese knotweed very high in resveratrol. It would be interesting to ferment that!
Thanks quicksilvercrescendo, I have heard of chemicals sprayed on plants depleting phytonutrients.

[Flames]

Flames I was going to mention the Vitamix

hahaha. The Vitamax is like the Arch of the Covenant of overall/awesome health. Those are awesome.

[KapitanScarlet]

Was thinking about current favourite tipple vinos...changes in time

Gallo Family Grenache Rose - My favourite Rose wine and a glass of that goes down well with a snack of sea salt and black pepper cashew nuts and the Gallo family do some excellent reds and whites as well

On the whites - i currently favour Chardonnay Pays D'OC - mmeeeyum

And on Red - Beaujolais (appellation beaujolais protégée ) nice right now - spinning eyes

in measured doses

[Flames]

Seraphim, now you got me thinking about that Vita-Mix every day. If they weren't so damn expensive, I'd consider buying one. I like the idea that instead of wasting valuable fiber, they blend the fiber into a fine pre digested smoothie.

I'm a firm believer in "pre digesting" our food, because it's possible that most people's digestive systems are already compromised, due to years of not so healthy eating.

I've tried juicing vegetables with a cheap blender, and it just doesn't work right. I looked up youtube videos of the Vita-Mix and it looks like it's a hell of a lot easier to clean too.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

I personally don't care for cold veggie puree drinks...but find them tastier warmed in soup form.
I do like fruit smoothies.
Most puree needs a little liquid to make it drinkable. If you were to puree two raw carrots, an apple and some broccoli together, do you think you would be able to drink that concoction? Probably not because it would be pasty due to the fact there is not enough liquid to make it fluid enough to drink. You would have to add some additional liquid to thin it out and drink it.
One can forego the overkill of the $400 Vitamix 5200, which sounds like a B52 bomber when you fire it up and is almost just as large on your countertop and buy a $100 KitchenAid KSB560 blender. You just may have to chop up your veggies or fruits a bit smaller than if you chucked them whole or in half into the all-powerful Vitamix.
Works great, this is what I do.
Plus thoroughly chewing your fruits and veggies makes your teeth stronger and massages your gums, whereas drinking a puree kind of eliminates that.

And with that savings I would recommend that you get a good juice extractor machine. This, in my opinion, is where the focus should be if you are going to spend some money on a machine and extra food to put in it.
Sure it takes out the fiber, but the concentrate liquid portion is like liquid vitamins and, more importantly, enzymes that will not be slowed or impeded for digestion and absorption by having to digest fiber.
Your diet should already be including whole fruits and vegetables to make sure you get this fiber. This juice should be supplementary. I eat enough of them whole, then I don't need to puree them. And chewing pre-digests food by mixing with salivary enzymes, which is also why one should chew their juice before swallowing it to make sure it mixes with saliva before it enters the stomach.
Juicing with juice extractor and consuming some form of superfood greens powder mixed in combination with the juice I have found actually does give me energy. I can feel it...and no supplement or anything else I have ever consumed does that...unless it was caffeine or sugar.
I think this is the machine where the larger dollar factor should be reserved for.
I did a huge post on juicing and juicers on this forum already and explain how certain models that are good for veggies may not be so good at greens...check out those posts if interested. I prefer to juice my veggies and fruits and add a convenient green superfood powder. I find a multi-grass also with a good amount of spirulina in it is good.

Citrus does not juice well in juice extractor machines, so for $20 the Black & Decker CitrusMate Plus CJ625 is great for the specific job of juicing citrus. It has an adjustable pulp control which is good because I like a lot of pulp in my citrus and that is good fiber. A juice extractor cannot give you quality citrus juice like a dedicated citrus juicer can. It is worth 25 dollars to get this one, just for citrus. I prefer to mix my citrus juice 50-50 with water, as a full glass is a lot of sugar and I think less of a shock if diluted.

So if you spend a hundred on the blender, twenty on the citrus juicer...that leaves $280 to consider on a good juice extractor all for the price of what the Vitamix 5200 alone would cost you for $400.
Three machines for the cost of one.
The Vitamix cannot give you what the juice extractor and citrus juice can give you with those specific tasks in mind.
And the puree from the blender should be quite decent at a much lower cost.
I value the type of juice the citrus juicer and the juice extractor give me over the puree of what the Vitamix offers (yes the Vitamix can flour grains and make nut butters, so if you need these...then the machine may be your thing.)
Again you can save money by using the less expensive blender to make puree, or just chew your whole fruits and veggies very well before swallowing making your own puree right in your mouth and get your fiber that way. Then use your juice extractor as a more immediate and direct way to get nutrition, because it does have fiber removed and it is technically a concentrated form of the liquid portion of the plants.

[Flames]

Thanks for all the tips, QSC. I remember your previous posts on juicing. Remember when I posted about my Jack Lalanne Power Juicer not working about a year ago? That sucker still works, and for the money, it gets the job done for my needs. I now make one weeks worth of juice, and bottle it in the fridge. I know it loses some of the nutrients, but it beats getting burnt out on the daily clean up, and not using the damn thing again.

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