The Anger Thread

[Flames]

John 2:15-19 (NKJV) When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.” So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

"Anger is all I've got left, my dear friend, just my anger and hate" - Me

I thought why not start an Anger thread. I can kind of sense some of us have been ... on the angry side as of late. Personally, I feel that anger is as healthy as a nice basket of fresh fruit. It's the anger that is buried inside of me, subconsciously that I find so difficult releasing, or even identifying its source. Some nights when I lay in bed, wondering what it is that is keeping me from falling asleep, and I can usually identify the problem being anger related.

That is the anger I find most difficult to deal with. Sometimes I feel like the whole world is like a rubber band that's about ready to snap. I think I've also come to the conclusion that depression is simply anger that hasn't been dealt with or expunged in some form or another.

What do the members of the forum have to say about Anger?

[tgII]

Just make damn sure you don't arm yourself and walk into
a post office.

On anger:

This sunshine icon isn't a fucking sun goddess and
I don't want to mean that I'm trying to blow sunshine up
your ass either, so don't come to any conclusions about it,
but here's a suggestion, go listen to the last ten minutes or
so of Joseph Farrell's last two interviews.

[Flames]

I don't want to mean that I'm trying to blow sunshine up
your ass

It's okay, I could probably use some sunshine up my ass, so to speak.

go listen to the last ten minutes or
so of Joseph Farrell's last two interviews.

Yes. Good point, I've listened to both of those, and know what you're talking about.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

Jesus whipped the Jews and fucked up their business...

...so the same Jews and their higher ups gladly offed him.

[rainyday]

So, I wonder if Obama is a Muslim, Nazi, Jew combination? I mean, with the illustration you gave on Jesus, Obama is doing basically the same thing, except the savior and his disciples are pocketing the money on the way out the door.

Maybe I have this all wrong. Maybe the savior is breaking our chains of slavery and I just don't see it yet???

[Flames]

Thankfully, I can look at cute pics like this, and not feel an ounce of anger.



I mean just look at that. What a happy camper that cat is. It's a sad event to overlook the good things that happen in the Universe.

[seraphim]

You are being honest with yourself huh..........I bet some of your anger has to do with the goings on out there, as well as your birthchart and maybe past lives and of course this life. You'll have to go into a past life regression, not really. : )But it's great that you can see that and change your perspective about the anger.

I'm behind here, but you spoke of an apopilyctic dream you had. Evil lurks everywhere, just could be getting to you. Things from your waking life get carried on into the dream state. Maybe you transferred some images or situations. You know dreams will always tell you something.

But what is important is what you.....want to dream of.
Alright, that's it.

[Flames]

But what is important is what you.....want to dream of.

You are right about that, Seraphim! If my mind is already in a dark place, sleep will not come with peace. I am very grateful for the good dreams that I do have, as rare as they are in reality. Thanks for your input on that, by the way.

[seraphim]

No problem. Just my a short humble opinion from me Flames.
Be kind to yourself.

[Blackbird]

Here are a few choice, although not always solicited advices and commentaries that stimulate my ire.

"You read too much."
"You think too much and you'll end up driving yourself mad."
"It just is what it is."
"You need to get out more and go make some friends."
"You need to have another baby."
" You are a jack of all trades, but an ace of none."



Anger for me has often operated as a motivational prelude to action.

[Flames]

Anger for me has often operated as a motivational prelude to action.

There you go, Blackbird! That is some good self awareness right there. I've forced myself to really take a deeper look at how much of my time I spend in anger, because I've noticed that over the years its gotten more extreme. Cliff notes version: angry at myself, angry at the word, and every thing in between.

I've often wondered why I know so many people who appear so relatively calm most of the time, though that may be due to my own perception of them. It's safe to say, that I am on "the other side of the spectrum" when it comes to such anger.

After some long and serious contemplation of what it is that drives me to exercise, I've found out that that answer was very simple: anger.

In my youth I never learned healthy coping skills to deal with it, but later as an adult, I've learned to channel that anger into a discipline. I'm proud of myself that I have made such a discovery, because it isn't one that I share with the people in my life. Another bump in the road, along the lonely path...

[Blackbird]

Thank you for your kind response Flames...I think I can relate, I remember when I was very young before the age of about five; my older sister enjoyed upsetting me just to see my reaction. I had a very unusual anger trigger that she seemed to be fully entertained by. I would stomp around in my little body with gritted teeth and breath as ferociously as I could. I didn't have the best example of effectively dealing with anger when I was young either, so I had to create a good method for myself...I am glad I had this realization and I am also glad to know that my anger is not my enemy.

[SunoftheMourning]

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[Blackbird]

Here is a translation (loosely) from a writing of José Régio. The video expresses the righteous passion of the writer, but it is in Portuguese.



Cantico Negro (The black song)

Come this way some would say with sweet eyes. Opening their arms, sure it might be good if I would listen to them when they say come this way.
I look at them with glossed expression. Eyes saturated with irony and fatigue and I cross my arms and I never go that way.
It is my destiny to create in mankind, never to go with anyone. To live with the same unwillingness with which I tore from my mothers womb.
NO, I won't go that way. I'll go only where my own steps will take me.
And if what I seek none of you can answer, than why do you repeat come this way?
I would prefer to fall on muddy corners or to be carried on the wind like tattered cloth, or to shuffle and drag my bleeding feet than to go that way.
If I came to this world than it was only to seduce a virgin rainforest and to draw my feet through unfamiliar sand. All else I do is insignificant.
Why then are you the ones to presume to give me axes, tools. To think that you can give me the fortitude to overcome my own obstructions.
It runs in your veins the old blood of the ancestors, yet you love the easy way.
I adore the distant remote and the countenance. I adore the abysses, the inundation and the deserts.
SO GO, you have your roads. You have your gardens and beds of flowers.You have your homelands and your shelters. You have your rules and your treatises and your philosophies and your wise men.
I have my foolishness. I raise it up like a torch in the darkness of the night.
And I feel spittle and blood and chants on my lips.
God and the devil are the ones who guide me...no one else.
All of you have a father, all of you have a mother, but I am without a beginning or ending.
I was birthed from the love between god and the devil.
Oh don't you try to give me your piteous intentions. Don't ask me for definitions.
Don't tell me...Come this way.
My existence is a storm that broke loose, a wave that arose. One more animated atom.
And I don't know which path to follow, nor do I know where I am going.
But I do know...I'm not going that way!

[KapitanScarlet]

Just like seraphim quoted some thoughts on the idea of freeedom in the philosophy section , this is another insightfully unique individual idea of freedom i think , never shall twa be the same idea , i guess ,

Freedom is another term that goes in the box with "Love"

How many slaves think they are free because they have not developed the vision to see the next chain , i wonder

[Blackbird]

"How many slaves think they are free because they have not developed the vision to see the next chain , i wonder."

A good many people don't realize they are even enchained. I didn't until I began to look deeper into things about three years ago. I think in the back of my mind there has always been an awareness that things were not the way they seemed or the way I was told they were. Because I chose to explore that feeling is why I was able to move forward and like it has been said " When the student is ready, the teacher will come".

[seraphim]

Righteous passion Blackbird!

I couldn't help but notice the poet's Portiguey eyes and skin. They (at least the one's who have kept certain DNA traits, meaning not too much outbreeding, LOL) have very white, flawless, wrinklefree skin like the Asians.

[tgII]

I love it!!! Are you guys ready for war?

Better try listening to some Vivaldi after this one:

[Flames]

TG, you just posted my all time favorite video clip EVER, sir. I wrote a whole article about this video clip a long time ago. The whole episode just brings me so much peace and satisfaction. The way this man goes completely fucking bananas is something to behold, so fluid, so graceful, so uncaring.

This is my favorite version.



I've probably watched this video at least 15 times. It's almost like viewing a painting. You just have to stand back and appreciate the detail caught on the security camera.

[tgII]

Yeah, but did you watch the end of the clip with
several other people going just as nuts?

John Cale's Mercenaries, that's the reason; mercenaries
for this fucking machine.

Mercenaries (Ready For War) -- John Cale:

[Flames]

Here's another camera angle of the meltdown. They actually had to taze this guy. lol I can't believe how scared they were of just one man in a suit. It's not like he was wielding a chainsaw or something.



I can't tell what language they are speaking. Russian maybe?

.. by the way, just listened to that John Cale song you posted. Nice! I like it.

[tgII]

The psychology at work here is worth taking a look at.
The people 'standing' around watching this guy go nuts
probably felt his rage and had empathy; deep down they
probably felt some justice or revenge themselves.

On the other hand, nobody reacts to this guy destroying
property except for the guy who comes out of the office;
is he the 'manager' and therefore 'obligated' to act?

[Flames]

The psychology at work here is worth taking a look at.
The people 'standing' around watching this guy go nuts
probably felt his rage and had empathy; deep down they
probably felt some justice or revenge themselves.

The psychology. This is the exact thing I've been trying to pin point, too. God only knows what events transpired in this man's life, and the life of his co workers, before the meltdown.

Could he have known that this would be the outcome when he woke up that morning, to go to work? Had he planned this out days before? Was he aware that the potential existed within him to do such a thing? This is the very definition of a person who 'snaps'.

By just observing the scene at hand, it seems that that particular office set up, with its cubicle set up, and low quality personal space, could create stress, not just in the man insane, but perhaps everyone working there.

The constant ringing of telephones, the same greetings to the calls, the sound of the fax machine, and printer, on the minute, year after year, could destabalize anyone. It totally reminds me of the movie Office Space.

It's tough to judge who is the boss, or what sort of corporate hierarchy is going on. Judging by the two security cameras, it didn't take long for the police to show up and taze this man. It is shocking that many of the people just stood there, watching everything unfold.

[Blackbird]

"The abandoned infant's cry is rage, not fear"...
Robert Anton Wilson

I really like that office freak out video as well. I've worked a little in that type of cubicle setting. I abhorred the constant data entry and office politics as it was soul sucking. I had an occasion to daydream about smashing somethings.
I once got fired for running my mouth at a job in a veterinarian clinic. I thought it would be a good fit for me because I've always had an affinity for animals. Within the first week my fantasy as vet tech was completely obliterated. This was not a place that practiced caring for animals. The good doctor was a nut job who loved ordering unnecessary procedures and the other two ladies were wicked mean to the underlings. One day while cleaning food bowls I overheard the second in command berating this assistant who was trying to balance out the scale. The girl was only about sixteen and asked for some instruction. The second in command snidely belittled the assistants incompetence and told her to use a bag of food that had the weight listed. The older lady just kept going on and on and I couldn't take it anymore. So I suggested that we use her fat head instead to balance to scale. That was it for me...I still derive a small amount of satisfaction for saying what I did even though it didn't equate to job security.

I remember as a child being told I could be whatever I wanted to be when I grew up. I think many are told this only to find out what that really means...you can be whatever you want to be as long as you conform to the society, jump through all the flaming hoops, pucker up to kiss any and all rear ends and be willing to step on any in the way. You go to school to get a job to pay for more school so you can get a pretentious piece of paper that officiates you "know something" so you can get a "better job" that pays more. The reason you need a better job is so you can have more money to buy more things and this is the societies measure of success. In this realization of how it (it being societal dictates on what "success" is) actually works then its a "go figure" why some people eventually snap.

"Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives".(fight club)

[tgII]

Those comments rang some bells, Blackbird. 'Soul sucking'; how
very appropriate of a description.

People really are fucking nuts aren't they?

Reminds me of W.B. Yeats; ever read his The Second Coming?

• ...everywhere
  The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
  The best lack all conviction, while the worst
  Are full of passionate intensity.

Blackbird, don't let it all get you down, this professor say's, the
Human race ‘will be extinct within 100 years’.

I'm no doomsday cult end of times worshiping depressive, but damn,
I think he's probably correct in his assessment.

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