The Al Gore thread

[Flames]

So what do you people think? Do you think Mr. Gore will succeed in his never ending conquest to pass the global carbon tax? Maybe I'm just stupid and don't know if it's already here.

[seraphim]

Flames why did you have to put his picture up......why.
I'm trying to stay positive, even though his name tries to get a reaction in me.

He succeeds because he's in good, I mean twisted hands. You get my joke....

[tgII]

seraphim, apologies, another Al Gore video.

A little long but worth it, Al Gore begins at about the 4:14 point in
the video.

Listen carefully to Al Gore's spurious claims, exaggerated innuendo and
condescending attitude. Particularly his comparing Wall Street financial
ripoff artist Bernie Madoff to the "large corporate carbon polluters." Gore
says, "the Bernie Madoff's of global warming", right, you tell 'em Al.

Arrrrgh!! We're Doommmed. Doomed I tell ya.

The biggest benefactor to science is government, hell, Al can say just
about anything he wants regardless of the science and he would probably
still get the support he needs for his carbon credit tax scheme.

"Pssst, don't tell anyone but psychopaths are consummate liars par excellence."

Had enough, wait, listen to this recent interview discussing global warming.
Discusses the collapse of the entire political agenda centering on global
warming mania and how it's dying. Its death is accelerating.

Audio -Global Warming is Dead - RIP

Sorry big guy, there goes your title out the window as the world's first
"carbon credit billionaire." Will ya settle for a Nobel Peace Prize?

[Flames]

tgII, I couldn't help but to giggle listening to that video clip. Just listening to the way Aly sets up conversations in a seemingly respectful manner, only to then come in at full attack later. He's one of the best at it. I think he'd be great in pro wrAstling, because he's a pro when it comes to verbal rapage. Too bad he's too inaccessible to be confronted by people with functioning brains.

[tgII]

The "Al Gore Thread", the title just cracks me up.

How friggin' apropos do we have to get to make our apparent
cynicism understood? Well, let's ask Friedrich.

"Cynicism is the only form in which base souls approach honesty."
--Friedrich Nietzsche

Honesty? Wait though, before we have any reproach to honesty,
let's take a look at a video which is actually a commercial to
demonstrate carbon emissions put out by jet airliners. After
viewing the video you will understand the issue of honesty and
how it is being warped to make people believe the threat posed
by carbon emissions.

Yes, believe the dogma of the Church of Climatology.

ClimateGate? Oh, look! It's Raining Polar Bears!!!

Couldn't help laughing, that video was dark humor, at least for me.

These files being hacked into leaves some doubt in my mind.
Were the files hacked into or were these files released by an insider?
If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I would start
dumping them NOW.

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?
November 21st, 2009

The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That) http://jamesdelingpole.com/2009/11/21/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

Global warming is a business.

[Flames]

With these hackers exposing all of these documents, wouldn't there be a sufficient case to be presented to try Gore and the Climategators for treason? This is pretty big news. If they lose their carbon tax scam, does this mean that the Anglo-American elite's global take over could crumble?

After all, this was their ultimate weapon for global governance. This shit has actually even ended up in local news papers! There are a lot of people abuzz about the results of these hackers exposing the criminal intent of these people. Even if they some how cover up all of this, and the media sells the idea that the emails were all fake, there are a lot of street level plebeians now that finally see what's going on. So I would have to say, that is was a pretty big victory in the Climategate scandal. ... so far.



tgII, that video clip of the polar bears falling out the sky was priceless. PRICELESS.

[Flames]

Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing

November 25, 2009 (LPAC)—Not since Henry Kissinger fled a team of LaRouche organizers, in the back of a delivery truck in New York City's Central Park in the early 1980s, has an obese fascist moved so fast to escape an angry crowd, as Al Gore did today in Chicago. Appearing at a bookstore in the downtown Loop, Gore was confronted by a team of demonstrators from a grass roots group called "We Are Change," as he was signing his latest fascist screed on the global warming swindle. Gore bolted from the bookstore, raced down an alley, jumped into a waiting car, and tried to speed off, with protesters chasing after him and banging on the car. Midwest LYM organizers, who were also on the scene to confront the global warming swindler, provided an eyewitness account of Fat Albert's flight of fear.

Make no mistake about it. This little encounter is typical of the kinds of things going on all over the country, as the fascists who brought you the near-destruction of the United States and an onrushing global Dark Age, are no longer walking the streets, smug in the belief that they are literally getting away with murder. The mass strike dynamic is playing out in thousands of ways, every day, and the recent revelations about the "smoking gun" emails from the East Anglia University global warming propaganda center, have made Al Gore's life a little more miserable.

As Percy Shelley wrote in "The Mask of Anarchy," "We are many, they are few."

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/12520

Damn, I'm going to be in Chicago next week. Missed my chance, I wished I could have seen this! There are a lot of angry motherfuckers out there.

[tgII]

Flames, noticed that article from the LaRouche group and laughed.

This entire carbon credit and cap and trade tax theft hopefully will
now be seen for what it really is, Grand Theft Economics on a huge
scale.

[Flames]

hahahaha!! Never heard of them until today. I was just reading their wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement

[Flames]

[seraphim]

Gore got flaccid between the legs and ran away again. I wonder let's see, can't start a fire without oxygen. They say he want's to control the earth's atmosphere. Well the prophecies say that the next trial will be by fire, last time it was water.

Maybe he will start the atmosphere on fire with his HAARP technology to destroy everything, including the large gaping whole in the ozone he blames people have made but really wishes that he is the maker of it and then Earth will be like Mars or Venus. But he can only do than when the stargate opens so he can escape while all folks here burn.

[Flames]

I just got the most bizarre mental picture now of Al Gore blasting off in his carbon free UFO and straight into another galaxy. Right where he belongs.

[tgII]

Really, I'm convinced, we're being led by absolute lunatics, stark raving
mad psychopaths; in 1977 we're instructed we're going to be wearing
polar bear skins, eating walrus blubber with icicles shoved up our asses
freezing to death.

Now, thirty-three years later, earth's poor ignorant savages are being
told we're turning earth into one big oven because of global warming.

Geezuz, can't any body for once make up their fucking mind?

• 
  "Look, Al, I still think you should go
  back to the Club of Rome to come up
  with something better, something more
  catchy, why not try 'Global Freezing'
  next?"

[tgII]

The beginning of trying to understand what this emissions trading
and carbon credits coming specialization in the financial markets.

Bout time somebody explained this stuff to me?!

First up, a definition of emissions trading:

Emissions trading (also known as emission trading, cap and trade, or cap and tax) is an administrative approach used to control pollution by providing economic incentives for achieving reductions in the emissions of pollutants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading

Where does the enforcement come from that sets these "caps?"
This quote says the government is the enforcement body, but
I would ask, government is a revolving door for corporations,
many of these corporations being heavy polluters.

A central authority (usually a governmental body) sets a limit or cap on the amount of a pollutant that can be emitted. Companies or other groups are issued emission permits and are required to hold an equivalent number of allowances (or credits) which represent the right to emit a specific amount. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading

So, how does the money flow? To begin understanding the flow
of money, here is the best description I could come up with?

The total amount of allowances and credits cannot exceed the cap, limiting total emissions to that level. Companies that need to increase their emission allowance must buy credits from those who pollute less. The transfer of allowances is referred to as a trade. In effect, the buyer is paying a charge for polluting, while the seller is being rewarded for having reduced emissions by more than was needed.

Carbon trading and this market is anticipated to be valued at
5.7 trillion dollars by the year 2035.

Then comes the question, what mechanisms are put in place to
monitor and measure emissions, who sets these values and amounts
and how are they controlled?

If this entire "global warming" scam has been exploited by those
within the established power structure, i.e., science, think tanks,
government, then would this not mean they are in positions to
directly profit from emissions trading? Also, the constant Co2
propaganda being promoted all over the world even in local
communities.

CO2 acts globally, thus its impact on the environment is generally similar wherever in the globe it is released. So the location of the originator of the emissions does not really matter from an environmental standpoint.

And for those of you who want to profit in emissions trading,
here is a new book out on how to go about it:

Carbon Trading; a new book helps you make fun of it more efficiently
July 5, 2009

A new book, "Carbon Markets: An International Business Guide", is calling itself a comprehensive and accessible guide to understanding the opportunities offered by regulated and voluntary carbon markets for tackling climate change.

Here are obligatory puffy comments from people who are either making money or naive enough to believe it will work. Just insert 'ethanol' into 'carbon trading' and pretend it is 1999 and you'll see what we mean.

'Carbon markets are key to fighting climate change cost-effectively. This guide is timely as more and more countries follow Europe's lead in developing cap and trade systems. Linked together, these will establish a global carbon market over the coming years.' http://www.sciencecodex.com/carbon_trading_a_new_book_helps_you_make_fun_of_it_more_efficiently

The big show must go on though, the Copenhagen Summit. Is
somebody logging all the carbon emissions burned up here to make
the summit possible?

Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges

Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.

On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200.

"We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report."

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfill the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

Finally, for those who prefer video explanations over tedious and
boring reading, I've got just the thing for you, a video:

I am now starting to consider the implications of carbon trading. What
happens to the Co2 we exhale, will this eventualy be a commodity that
can be traded and sold? If you are of value to the economic system
will your Co2 output be of greater value than let's say, a person who
has less productive ability than you do?

Sorry, buddy, your carbon emissions aren't worth jack shit on the market,
I'm afraid you will have to go to the glue factory.

Carbon: The World's Next Biggest Market
By Nick Hodge
Monday, July 23rd, 2007

It's been over a month since I first started telling you all about the coming opportunities in carbon trading. Since then, there have been some developments, not only in legislation, but in the amount of media attention being paid to this fledgling industry.

Last Tuesday, Australian Prime Minister John Howard announced details of a proposed carbon-trading plan he hopes to have under way by 2011. And today, the Australian Climate Exchange opened, with carbon trading around $8.60 per ton.

This is a huge ideological shift from one of the two fully industrialized countries that failed to accept the Kyoto Protocol targets for emissions reduction. The other, as you probably know, is the US.

And then there's the recent New York Times article, "In London's Financial World, Carbon Trading Is the New Big Thing." And boy is it.

According to that article, carbon trading is one of the "fastest-growing specialties in financial services." And companies are scrambling to get "a slice of a market now worth about $30 billion and that could grow to $1 trillion within a decade." http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/carbon+trading-carbon+credits-emissions+reduction/476

What a perfect business, eugenics factored into the
economic equation.

[tgII]

It is estimated carbon will become the world's biggest commodity.

Without carbon we die, imagine companies rushing in to control a
commodity like carbon if it can be monetized? It's like putting a
monetary value on your right to breathe air?


From the magazine Risk Professional, an interesting article.

Carbon Touches Everybody:
http://www.riskprofessional-digital.com/riskprofessional/200910/?pg=32

One of the pioneers in carbon trading was the firm Cantor Fitzgerald,
and one of its top executives many who claimed he was the idea man
behind carbon credits, Carlton Bartels. Well, he's obviously no longer
around to share in any of the carbon trading profits today.

About Emission Trading Experts: CantorCO2e
http://www.cantorco2e.com/AboutUs/?page=AU_911

"All of a sudden I started to rather enjoy
even more a 'commodity' that's been
around for billions of years before man
came along and monetized it!"

[KapitanScarlet]

Very interesting TGII, good of you to have brought this to the table, i just went blank whenever it was mentioned before , but these schemes always have their "rewards"

As that guy says..

"The fox is designing the Henhouse"

"The Periodic Table" a really excellent book by Primo Levi if i remember cirrectly , singles out "Carbon" as the special one, although there is no direct connection to green emissions , my mind is running overtime :)

BUt looking at what you post here, this quote comes to the peak of my thought

"The Companies releasing greenhouse gasses receive an issue of Carbon Credits based on the size of their emmisions which are measured , Cap level is then set marking their max allowance "

Now would it be possible for a company to "inflate" their "measured emissions" thus ensuring them of receiving guaranteed credits in normal operations

And who does the measuring and what sort of checks do they take to ensure it is authentic representation of company emmision performance , we all know how paperwork and files can be altered

[KapitanScarlet]

So Foul and Fair a Day - by Aberdeen professor Alastair Dawson
A book that defies the obsession with modern day climate change statistics ...at least in scotlands history

There is centuries of official weather data recorded in scotland by lighthouse keepers, farmers, gardeners and ladies of the manor to illustrate just how much the nation has been shaped by the changing elements,

Although its been suggested that the weather now is hitting extremes, it is nothing to what the ancestors encountered.

This professor was awarded fundings to carry out a survey of tide patterns in the outer hebrides in the wake of ferocious storms which swept a family of five to their deaths of benbecula in january 2005
Many forecasters conditioned by climate change mania warned that such extreme events will become more common in scotland if climate cange continues at its current rate.

But what struck this professor during his research, was how much worse the weather was in the past.

This will surprise a lot of people he said, in the late 1800s, the weather was much colder stormier and wetter than it is now

People spoke about recent floods in 2005 as the worst in a lifetime , but if you go back a generation or 2 beyond living memory , you find weather conditions were much more extreme,

The professor pored over the wealth of historical accounts of rainfall, sunshine, winds and extreme temperatures that these ancestors left behind , he argues that we should be paying as much attention to these records as we are to the so called modern copenhagen experts views of today

All these detailed records from the past are just gathering dust on library shelves and he says hes only been able to scratch the surface of the extremes that were detailed and he beleives the proper inspection and comparation of todays weather with these , will give a more accurate reflection of the global nature of change

[tgII]

"Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus...", and he's bringing
some gifts and one of them is the Minnesotans For Global Warming:
Because It's Too Stupid To Politicize The Weather.

"Sorry, boys and girls, no toys this year,
instead, I have some videos for you that
you may find entertaining."

Here are some presents for you in the form of
Climategate Christmas Videos

We love Co2!!! Breath plebeians, breath!!!

[Flames]

I'm listening to William Henry's latest interview on Red Ice, they're talking about the Climategate logo. What do you make of it, if anything? Not sure if anyone here has seen it?



http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/12dec/RIR-091220.php

[seraphim]

I nominate this A.G. as the pscyopath of the decade. Looks like a certain star to me.

Heard of this?
When haarp is raising the ionosphere it is modifying the atmosphere height/ceiling. Humans did not evolve that way. What happens is oxygen (the major portion of what we breathe) moves up rapidly to fill the void. Down here, we get sick, we feel vertigo, have breathing troubles, are fatiqued. If you want to make a difference in the world find a way to shut down haarp and any installation like it.

[tgII]

sarephim, stop exhaling Co2 over 350ppm or I will call Al Gore
on you?!

These psychos need a new name, let's call them the terminists.

[seraphim]

He's going to go after the cow's next! And then create the invention of synthetic milk, as well as being the inventor of internet! I don't even want to read about his $%$^ anymore.

It's an obvious last ditch effort scam. It is getting colder not warmer. Anyone can look outside and sense that. If global warming is going to happen it would be because of a natural global event (nowadays could be man made in the lab though or something like HAARP). But then it would get real cold again. Like when volcanos blow up, you get fire, but then the ash covers the sun and it gets bitter cold.

The question is are they the one's destroying the atmosphere and then try and blame it on people's CO2 and cow's methane.

[KapitanScarlet]

I dont think "they" have a clue whats going on

[Flames]

I dont think "they" have a clue whats going on

The cows or the humans?

[Flames]

Explain this one to me, Al.

Frigid weather hits Midwest, -52 wind chill in ND

DES MOINES, Iowa – Snow was piled so high in Iowa that drivers couldn't see across intersections and a North Dakota snowblower repair shop was overwhelmed with business as heavy snow and wind chills as low as 52 below zero blasted much of the Midwest on Thursday.

Frigid weather also gripped the South, where a rare cold snap was expected to bring snow and ice Thursday to states from South Carolina to Louisiana. Forecasters said wind chills could drop to near zero at night in some areas.

In Bowbells, in northwestern North Dakota, the wind chill hit 52-below zero Thursday morning.

"The air freezes your nostrils, your eyes water and your chest burns from breathing — and that's just going from the house to your vehicle," said Jane Tetrault, the Burke County deputy auditor.

Her vehicle started, but the tires were frozen.

"It was bump, bump, bump all the way to work with the flat spots on my tires," Tetrault said. "It was a pretty rough ride."

Other parts of the Midwest also had dangerously cold wind chills, including negative 40 in parts of South Dakota and minus 27 in northeast Nebraska, according to the National Weather Service. Equally disturbing chills were expected overnight Friday.

An additional 10 inches of snow was expected in Iowa, already buried by more than 2 feet of snow in December, while up to 9 inches could fall in southeast North Dakota that forecasters warned would create hazardous zero-visibility driving conditions. Wind gusts of 30 miles per hour were expected in Illinois — along with a foot of snow — while large drifts were anticipated in Nebraska and Iowa.

Joe Dietrich said he had to turn away dozens of customers this week from his snowblower repair shop in Bismarck, N.D.

"My building is only so big and I can only take so many," Dietrich said.

The weather hasn't let up since sweeping into the eastern U.S. earlier this week. Five straight days of double-digit subzero low temperatures, including negative 19, were recorded by the National Weather Service office in Chanhassen, Minn., a Twin Cities suburb.

"It's brutally cold, definitely brutal," meteorologist Tony Zaleski said.

At least 15 deaths this year have been blamed on the cold and icy, snow-covered roads. An 88-year-old woman died of hypothermia in her unheated Chicago home, an Alzheimer's sufferer died after wandering into his yard in Nashville, Tenn., and a homeless man was found dead in a tent in South Carolina, authorities said. Kansas City police said a man involved in a multi-car pileup Wednesday died after jumping a barrier wall in the dark, apparently to avoid sliding cars, and falling about 80 feet.

Slick roads were blamed for scores of accidents. In Indiana, a driver was reported killed in a crash with a school bus near Delphi on Thursday. In Iowa, a driver died Wednesday after slamming into the back of a semitrailer that had slowed for an accident near Des Moines.

In preparation for worsening conditions, more than 500 flights were grounded at Chicago's airports. The Chicago Department of Aviation reported more than 400 canceled flights at O'Hare International Airport and more than 100 canceled flights at Midway International Airport. In Atlanta, Delta Air Lines canceled nearly 200 flights scheduled to leave after 5 p.m. Thursday in anticipation of snow. Frost on planes' wings delayed seven early flights in Tampa, Fla.

Just one day into the 2010 legislative session, the Missouri Senate canceled its Thursday session because of weather. The House planned only a technical session, which allows bills to be processed without the attention of most lawmakers.

Freeze warnings covered nearly all of Florida with temperatures expected to drop into the 20s. Iguanas were seen falling out of trees; experts say the cold-blooded reptiles become immobilized and lose their grip when the temperature falls into the 40s or below.

Schools in parts of Nebraska, Minnesota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia canceled classes because of the weather. Major roads were closed in South Dakota, Minnesota, North Carolina and Virginia.

Salt had no effect on the Twin Cities' ice-rutted streets, and deep snow left over from a Christmas storm had hardened into rock-solid blocks. The conditions helped business at Roger's Master Collision, an auto-body repair shop in Plymouth, Minn.

"A lot of people sliding on the ice, then hitting the snowbanks. They're frozen up pretty hard," said store manager Kirk Suchomel, estimating the shop is averaging 15 repair estimates a day. "I'm sure we're going to stay busy."

In Iowa, officials in Des Moines warned that a $3 million annual snow removal budget would likely be exhausted with this week's storm. Public Works Director Bill Stowe said the city would tap a $6 million road maintenance fund to cover snow clearing for the rest of the season. Snow that had been plowed into tall piles at intersections was set to be dumped into a lake.

"It can be a half-million dollar operation, depending on the amount of snow," Stowe said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_bi_ge/us_winter_weather

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