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Post  Sputnik Wed 10 Nov 2010, 03:45

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Flames wrote:Looks like they finally did it.

Scientists re-create Big Bang in lab

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By Liz Goodwin

Scientists say they have created a mini Big Bang using the world's largest atom smasher, resulting in a temperature "a millions times hotter" than the sun's center, the BBC reports.
In an underground tunnel near Geneva, the European Organization for Nuclear Research smashed together particles inside the $10 billion accelerator known as the Large Hadron Collider, in an effort to learn more about the plasma that formed the universe a split- second after the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. Scientists say a tiny ball of matter exploded and then quickly formed a melted "soup" of matter, which then re-ordered itself into what is now the universe.
The experiment, using lead ions instead of protons, produced the highest densities and temperatures ever created by scientists, and a kind of matter formerly unseen on Earth, The Telegraph reports.

"At these temperatures even protons and neutrons, which make up the nuclei of atoms, melt, resulting in a hot dense soup of quarks and gluons known as a quark-gluon plasma," researcher David Evans from the University of Birmingham told the BBC.
The Guardian explains that the moment the scientists are re-creating happened about 0.00000000001 seconds after the Big Bang, an interval when "protons and neutrons can't even stay whole."
Scientists are also trying to figure out more about the "strong force," which binds the nuclei of atoms and gives them most of their mass.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101108/od_yblog_upshot/scientists-recreate-mini-big-bang-in-lab

I just have a hard time believing any good can come of this. So basically, some of the top scientists in the world have got together, funded by god knows who, and re-created the big bang. Suppose these scientists finally figure out, what they've been looking for, "the strong force", which binds the nuclei of atoms and gives them most of their mass, as the article said. Then What? bounce



Hello Flames, I have a few scientific problems with the Big Bang Theory....Razz

Please read this critique on that Big Bang Theory:


BIG BANG DEBUNKED

by
Vernon Brown

Early in the 1900's Edwin Hubble discovered that there was a direct relationship between a red shift in the light spectrum of stars and their distance from the observer. Through the 1920's Hubble struggled to pinpoint the exact relationship between this red shift and distance. Hubble published articles and lectured frequently about the progress of his work.

Georges Lemaitre, a Belgian Catholic priest, pounced upon Hubble's publications and postulated the big-bang account of creation in 1927. He described an expanding universe that originated in an enormous explosion and cited the works of Edwin Hubble and Willem de Sitter as evidence. With one stroke of genius, Lemaitre upstaged the scientists and united religious creation with the latest scientific observations of his day.

Born of a priest and a mule skinner, the big-bang theory grew to plague the efforts of reasonable scientists.

Milton La Salle Humason began working at the Mount Wilson Observatory as a mule driver in the early 1900's during the time that Edwin Hubble did research there. Humason advanced in status through dedication to hard work and began doing telescope observations for Hubble's use. While he worked with Hubble, Humason became a student of Lemaitre's work and began advocating Lemaitre's account of creation.

Hubble pointed out that contrary to Lemaitre's ideas, the red shift was probably not due to the Doppler effect. If it were, he maintained, a projection of the present observations into the past would place all observable mass in one spot about 2.5 billion years in the past. This was much too little time to be compatible with other observations.

One of the main objections Hubble had to the big-bang theory came from his study of the brightness of certain stars. He maintained that if stars were receding at the rate indicated by their red shift their brightness should seem diminished. He observed that there was no such diminishing of brightness.

When Hubble died on Sept. 28, 1953, Humason was loosed from Hubble's leash. He worked ardently with several others and by 1956 they had worked some magic and changed Hubble's constant by an order of magnitude to make it compatible with the big-bang theory.

Hubble based the original value of Hubble's constant upon scientific analysis. He measured distances to stars by several means and then compared their red shift with these distances. He arrived at a value of 500. Big bangers changed this value to, "somewhere around 35 but certainly less than 50," to prevent conflict with the big-bang version of creation.

When one uses a value of 50 for Hubble's constant the distance to several galaxies discovered recently turns out to be 27 billion light years. Hubble's original value of 500 would put them at 270 billion light years. It is very strange that this number keeps changing with each new discovery.

Humason advanced in stature with the acceptance of the big-bang theory and finally became secretary of the Mount Wilson and Palomar observatories. Until his death on June 18, 1972, Humason continued to support the big-bang theory over all other accounts of creation. Supporters of the big-bang theory had easy access to the observational instruments controlled by Humason; opponents of the big bang did not.

While he lived and was of sound mind, Hubble approached the big-bang theory scientifically. He saw that the only evidence directly supporting it was the observed red shift. He concluded that this red shift could not be due to the Doppler effect because other observations conflicted with that idea. But Hubble began losing his memory in his early fifties and was never able to show the cause of the red shift. After his death most scientists gradually accepted that Hubble's red shift was caused by the Doppler effect.

Everything known to man changed with time, why could light not also age?

The Steady-State theory was proposed by Thomas Gold, Herman Bondi, and Fred Hoyle in 1948. They advocated that the universe had existed in a steady state forever. It was expanding, they suggested, but its density remained constant because new mass was continuously created. They calculated the amount of new mass that must be created to replace receding galaxies and found it to be about one hydrogen atom per cubic mile each year.

Gamma ray photons from galaxies must interact to form electrons in space just as they do in laboratories on earth. It does not take a genius to see that the amount could easily be one atom per cubic mile per year, but much less would actually be required if the universe were not really expanding. It is very possible that light moving through space continuously shifts toward a less energetic state--red shift. We know very well that light does this in the Compton effect where a photon bounces off an electron and loses energy.

Sir Fred Hoyle's fame came mainly from his work in showing that recycled stars could produce all the elements found in nature. He showed in detail how atomic reactions would proceed from the element hydrogen all the way through to the heaviest elements known. He proved that there was no need for a big bang to explain how nature formed the heavy elements.

The Photonics Universe is a non-expanding natural orderly system that has existed forever.

According to photon theory the universe is an electromagnetic structure comprised only of photons. These photons exist free in space where they are observed as light, and they also exist in phase-locked patterns, where they are observed as mass.

When electrons and positrons collide they produce gamma- ray photons. These photons may interfere with each other and become phase-locked in patterns. They then become electrons and positrons again.

When such collisions occur at very great speed, photon flux of the collisions produce protons and neutrons. Neutrons are unstable by themselves in space, and decay to become electrons and protons in a few seconds. Protons produced in electron-positron collisions collect electrons and become hydrogen atoms in accordance with the rules of Quantum Electrodynamics.

Protons formed out of electron-positron collision debris collect electrons to become hydrogen atoms and migrate toward each other, attracted by their gravity. These atoms gather in huge clouds and move toward other concentrations of mass. Currents and eddies form in the clouds, causing lumps to accumulate. In the lumps pressure builds to atomic fury fusing hydrogen atoms into helium. A star is thus born.

Billions of stars gather to produce galaxies most of which are about a hundred thousand light years in diameter. Stars in the galaxy age and die in explosions creating the heavy elements by the process that Sir Fred Hoyle discovered. Burnt-out stars gravitate toward the center of the galaxy.
All mass in the Photonics universe gravitates toward the center of the closest galaxy. Stars in the galaxy churn the mass into increasingly heavier elements through atomic fusion. Fission and fusion reactions continue as stars recycle their mass through birth and death. Mass becomes light in star-rich galaxies and they spew photons outward into space.

Photons and some small particles contain enough energy to escape the galaxy. Others without enough energy to escape churn through the process again and again until all mass eventually becomes light; all light eventually becomes mass, and the cycle continues throughout the life of the galaxy.

Photons and small particles that escape the galaxy gravitate toward concentrations of mass. These repeat the cycle as they become part of another huge cloud of debris and the process goes on and on.

Big Bangers have become fewer with recent new discoveries.


Halton Arp of the Max Planck Institute for Astrophysics in Munich, Germany wrote in a letter published in the July 27, 1991 issue of the AAAS publication, Science, "They [big-bangers] overlook observational facts that have been piling up for 25 years and that have now become overwhelming. Of course, if one ignores contradictory observations, one can claim to have an 'elegant' or 'robust' theory. But, it isn't science."

Recent observations have turned up several new classes of objects that violate the big-bang's most basic assumption. Many are too distant to fit the big-bang age of the universe of about 20 billion years. Others show that the universe is structured with vast ribbons of galaxies that could not have reasonably formed in less than about 200 billion years. But, of course, Big Bangers abandoned reasonableness as a test for reality long ago when Hubble's scientific observations were changed by more than an order of magnitude to make them fit the big-bang dogma.

Most scientists agree that the milky-way galaxy and the solar system are now evolving. Some put the solar system about midway through its life, others a little younger. Its farthest rocky planet, Mars, seems to have cooled through a time of water-rich life and now its second farthest, Earth, blossoms. In the future, Earth should cool to be like Mars and Venus should cool to become the planet where water-rich life evolves.


Those who believe that nature is controlled by an all- powerful deity may consider that photons are the thoughts of God. Since this idea can not possibly be proven false, it can not be scientific. This is a condition the idea shares with all religions, none of which are based upon true scientific thought. Philosophers reason that only science must obey the rules of science, religious ideas must be tested with their own rules.

If photons were the thoughts of God, all of nature would be at His whim. And, since His thoughts are the universe, man can only know one God.

Photon theory is therefore consistent with religious beliefs. It does not insist upon them, but it also does not condemn them or ban religious thought. It is not secular, all religions can fit within its structure. In fact, photon theory provides a reasonable way for believers to conceive of a true deity and hold that deity to be all powerful in nature.

Recent discoveries at the University of Maryland show that single photons trapped in resonant cavities behave just like the most elementary particles of mass. They possess electrical charge and inertia, and all other properties of mass that scientists can measure. They even exhibit the relativistic distortion that all other massive objects exhibit when scientists subject them to rapid motion.

All these things indicate that some form of photon theory will dominate the physics of the 21st century. Students of science see it easily, but old scientists ignore its obvious reality. Max Planck pointed out that this is the normal way of scientific processes. New ideas must wait for the old keepers of the faith to die before they are accepted, but just as surely as death must come to the old, these new concepts will see their day in the sun.




I always doubted they just do some freak experiments costing zillions..without a very specific purpose.

And I don't think it is about creating useless little blackholes to be able to understand the functions of the universe either.

I THINK THEY WANT TO CREATE NUCLEAR FUSION (creating a sort of artificial sun)...

So far they can only create an uncontrolable nuclear fusion (Pure fission weapons, Fusion-boosted fission weapons, Two-stage thermonuclear weapons), but not controlable fusion which would require a sort of plasmatube in which it could be stabilized. If they can generate a "plasmawomb" can they make sure the future "fusion reactor" doesn't blow up..and one functional fusion reactor would produce more energy than all the 60 something nuclear reactors of the world together.

I am guessing....but isn't that exactly what they are researching at LHC?


At the LHC you've got all the ingredients for a two stage thermonuclear proton fusion and trigger for a helium fusion bomb. The protons are hydrogen stripped of electrons in the beam pipes and the helium is the coolant for all the superconducting magnets in the main ring and in the giant detectors like ATLAS.

The helium is an enormous amount of gas chilled and compressed down to 60 metric tonnes of superfluid helium. Protons are in abundant supply, circulating in the ring at 99.99% of light speed in opposite directions, in nearly 3,000 bunches of about a 100 billion per bunch per beam line or 6,000 x 100,000,000,000 or 600 trillion protons in the system.

Nuclear fusion inside stars..I think that's what they really concern themselfs with
and not some "black hole" and "big bang" theory crap..that's a public red herring me thinks..



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Post  Sputnik Wed 10 Nov 2010, 23:02

What I am thinking is that without figuring out nuclear fusion their aspiration for useless physical spacetravels to inhabit other planets won't ever take place, that's a matter of sufficiant energy resources which only nuclear fusion could sustain. And even if we only concern ourselfs with our own planet, the energy needs of the current civilisation seems to be insatiable. Enough reason for the undertaking, and the less the plebs know about those projects, the less they can complain about. Millions of people starve to pay for this "new dawn".
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Post  Sputnik Thu 11 Nov 2010, 11:41

Germany is a PUPPET of the Anglo/American industrial/military complex and Germans have become stoic, meaning: they are surpressing the notion as good as they can and ignore the circumstances and act like good little consumers. They are mostly trying to ignore the facts of being duped into submission. Germanies leadership in the E.U. is a farce, everybody profits from Germany except the Germans.

Politically, Germans prefer to deal with internal crap, like right now, there seems to be a strong movement of resistence to the government which expresses itself in protests against the re-activation of nuclear plants which were suposed to be taken off the grid but that political decision was revoked under Merkel against the German people's will. Stuttgard 21 is another issue where the government plans to prove it's power against the will of the majority of the people. They openly tell people that they are too stupid to know what is good for them. Germans are just as disillusioned concerning DEMOCRACY as Americans...only that Germans still hope to get fucked less hard in the ass.

Basically, Germans know that they live in a totally retarded Banana Republic.....that's why they are so miserable and irritable.

Germany is a good loser though, in the sense that they don't feel sorry for themselfs to have lost the WW. They have dealt with their past more then any other nation in Europe and beyond. They know what it means to take responsibilty for the crimes that were commited through the Nazi indoctrination, no matter if that came from Germanies leadership or through foreign agents setting Germany up. For us it makes no difference, being duped is being duped and doing the wrong thing is still wrong in iessence.

Unlike other countries, Germanies Immigrants were not SELCTED according to worth and benefit. Germany is another human experiment of the gobal elite. But one thing is for sure, Germany is going to be a stumbling block in the future, because the second angloamerican indoctrination is going to backfire on the entire system. Just a premontion.

You should ask yourself why Germany was always extremely interested in the history of Mesopotamia and countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran while the English seemed to be obsessed with Egypt and it's historical roots. It is not a coincidence.

And if I would have to discribe the German attidude I would choose the saying:

"It doesn't matter how many times you are getting knocked down, but how often you get up afterwards."
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I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality.... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
~Martin Luther King, Jr.



I don't think it's a matter of taste, concerning music, it all depends on the sound.

I live in a extremely multi-cultural city and we get along. No Joke!

I guess it's the energetic nature of my hometown, the world is a small village to us.

And I mean this...how I feel it....here...
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Post  tgII Fri 12 Nov 2010, 07:39

They will, Flames, the world is being intimidated by Herman Van
Rompuy, who keeps shaking his bony finger at us telling us unless
we submit to the EU, 'Euroscepticism will lead to war.'



And did you catch this; Parliamentarian Christian Schmidt is being
grilled as to why the Germany Army is learning the Iranian Persian
language of Farsi?

  • Parl. Staatsekretär Christian Schmidt: Warum die Bundeswehr
    persisch lernt



Mean while, one Japanese man can't take it anymore so he commits
suicide for his audience:



To the bunkers, everyone!!!

And holy crap!!! Long time aging mafia boss, Nicolo Rizzuto, who
was 85 gets hit in Montreal (his grandson got taken out back in January):



Shocked
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Post  Sputnik Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:13

To answer your question Flames, in Germany the Police has to protect the Neo Nazis and white pride people from the Antifas and CITIZENS like in Dresden earlier this year....



There were actually ca. 12.000 Antifas and 15.000 Dresden citizens.


The recent weeks across Europe:

WENDLAND TRACKING




BERLIN FLASHMOB



STUTTGARD 21



FRENCH PROTESTS 2010



GREEK RIOTS 2010



UK STUDENTS, a couple days ago...



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Post  Sputnik Sun 14 Nov 2010, 16:20

Military officials are still unclear as to what caused the "mystery missile" contrail
spotted off the Southern California coast.



4,500 vacationers and crew members who spent three days stranded aboard the disabled 952-foot Carnival Splendor cruise ship disembarked Thursday in San Diego

http://www.10news.com/news/25677866/detail.html


WHAT COULD POSSIBLY DISABLE ALL THE ELECTRONICS OF A GIANT CRUISER LIKE THAT AT ONCE?

EMP, fired off from a submarine maybe? Now figure who's got access to EMP technologies.

Maybe it wasn't just a "demonstration"....but more like an answer...and indeed,
quite strange that this happens while Obama was busy giving Yakuza handshakes...



I heard that half a million Japanese took to the streets to protest against the plans of the
Japanese Gov to comply with Washingtons "free trade" demands?

WOW! Shocked If one considers that the Japanese aren't really the "protesting"-kind-of-guys.

G20 in Korea? Didn't the Chinese tell the U.S to BACK THE FUCK OFF... Twisted Evil

TOTAL ECONOMIC WAR IS ASSURED
AFTER OBAMA'S NLP SMILIE FACE FAILS TO CONVINCE CHINA:

www.China-pissed-off
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Post  Sputnik Sun 14 Nov 2010, 18:57

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=13154


Nah, I do not doubt that there was a "chinese peoples liberation army" submarine in the area emp'ing that mega cruiser off the californian coast on the 8th, but that missle launch was prolly a (11 hours later) symbolic answer by the U.S. military force...after they figured out what happened..Suspect ups..
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo Wed 17 Nov 2010, 00:25

Where the hell are the people in the audience waving the lightsticks going?
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Post  tgII Wed 17 Nov 2010, 01:09

Gotta love the Japanese; they worship technology as soulless
sentimentalists and they don't know why.

Confusing at times because you're not sure whether you are
watching, if you decide to watch, exactly what gender it is that
is performing.

There is this very subtle cross over going on in Japan because
it is an effeminate culture. The more men can become
like women they are adored and become cult super stars on
TV; pop culture is all getting very weird.
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Post  KapitanScarlet Wed 17 Nov 2010, 11:06

Where as Japan would seem to me, to be a little more opposite. The reversal of the gendering is something I really don't understand though. Maybe its some weird sexual disfunction in that particular society.

Wondered if the atom bomb had much to do with it , and that episode erased much of the war nature in next generations

and then the occupation by america
it may be that effemacy is dictated to the hosts subconsciously by occupiers because it poses less threat, so jap males growing up in occupied land learn that jap machismo is a no no if they want to prosper in their foreign directed society , they gotta be yes-men-girls for the atomic hosts to get on in the corporate structure

mind you , in the uk, the entertainment industry has been run over with effeminates and gays

Gotta love the Japanese; they worship technology as soulless
sentimentalists and they don't know why.
1945 , technology got their attention in the most horrific manner What a Face
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Post  tgII Wed 17 Nov 2010, 12:11

That's right, Kapis, when those two atom bombs exploded
over Nagasaki and Hiroshima probably left a pretty fucked
up genetic remnant.

I think it's a historical thing, Flames, like a phase humans are going
through where they have to work out these internal issues; guys
become gals and gals become guys. I think things will eventually straighten
themselves out; usually do to survive.

Look at the recent announcement of the prince getting married in Britain.

Kapis, ever hear of the Kray twins in England; two really nasty creatures.
What's going on in England keeps taking me back to reading the history of
these two creatures probably run by their mother. They were so powerful
and influential in fact, they ran Krayleigh Enterprises from prison for pedophile
and body guard services.

Ronnie and Reggie Kray. After getting a life sentence, Ronnie completely
trashed his cell when prison authorities couldn't locate a pink colored
walkman for him. Ronnie was bisexual; he used to provide young boys
for British pedophiles who enjoyed little boy flesh.

You guys realize just after WWII the pink and blue colors associated for
boys and girls were switched? Pink used to be the color of little boys; and
blue used to be the color for little girls. So, I think, Flames, there is
something up with this reversal of gender intentionally being embedded
within society and people.
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Post  KapitanScarlet Wed 17 Nov 2010, 13:21

Yeah the krays are notorious Tg here, 2 nutcases running the mobs, with extreme violence and maybe they had sec ret backers , not surprised about the paedo connections

You guys realize just after WWII the pink and blue colors associated for
boys and girls were switched? Pink used to be the color of little boys; and
blue used to be the color for little girls. So, I think, Flames, there is
something up with this reversal of gender intentionally being embedded
within society and people.

that is extremely interesting , was not aware, there are many guys who wont use pink anywhere because of this conditioning , but now pink is coming out again on guys, i noticed roger federer was wearing a pink vest at a recent tournament, once these icons start wearing , the floodgates open , and he is probably influenced by his NIKE sponsor
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Post  seraphim Wed 17 Nov 2010, 23:44

You've heard about things just blowing up. South America...California....Here's some more. Trying to blame it on old swamp chemicals!
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/deadly-explosion-at-grand-riviera-princess-hotel-in-playa-del-carmen-mexico/19716152?icid=maing|main5|1|link2|25433

What's really going on. Is it meteors. Is it some kind of technology experimenting or a show of force.
Is it the earth's acupuncture spots acting up. Or the magnetic field.
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