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I just watched the Russell Means video on mtsar. The caller asked aren't you proud to be an american and have the rights you have. And Russell said that Natives never were Americans, and forced into citizentry only to fight the government's wars. Native's are legally not Americans. They never had any rights either or have nothing now and the plan is for them to be annihilated, the Man is right again!
I had to laugh at this one.

So many lies they all are the government says throughout history just as the Man Russel got it right!

So right on when Russell said you have to start with the children take them back from the government before they get slave induced indoctrinated. The government is tricky they know how to get the children at a young age as they know the human is easily molded.
I read your personal link, it's about time!!!

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People have been migrating all over the earth since there have been people on earth.
I'm sure at one point in time, people who call themselves native American actually migrated to America as well.

Now that DNA test are available, it should be put to good use.

This way, everyone can go back to their perspective corners of the earth where they truly originated.

This should settle everything.

http://en.geneawiki.com/index.php/Genealogical_DNA_test#Biogeographical_ancestry

I think it's more like why the heck can't a person live where we want.

I don't think it's about who originated from where for the Natives. They know where they are going and where they came from and I think that's more important.
For all they care they can live anywhere in the world. But just let them be, do there own thing. Just as everyone has a right to just let be, not just Natives, but no..... every human being on the face of the planet has to be enslaved, killed of or brainwashed for some reason.

The Natives say: It's like leave us be, don't tell us what to do and take away all our rights and stop killing us. That's all they want what anyone wants, true rights and to do as one wills, to be free to trade, make a living, survive independantly and such. They knew what freedom was before they became enslaved, and most folks in America don't know what it is to have that freedom, so they don't do anything, because they never knew what freedom is.

In this case ignorance is not bliss. It's like if you were born in a world that entitled very little freedom, you won't complain, because that's just how it's always been. But if you have tasted alot more freedom, you will put up a fight to keep that.
America get on the bandwagon!!

Meant to add I will get to your post as soon as I can. Thank you Haudenosaunee

If it were that easy, everyone on earth would be living in peace and harmony now.
The native American tribes couldn't even live in peace and harmony when they were living on this continent, alone, if they ever were living here alone. Archeologist say no, but whatever..
The native Americans were warring, killing and sacrificing each other.

Americans, the root of all that's evil in this world.

The native Americans are not the only earth loving, spiritual people in the world. In reality of everyday living, they are not even close...I know,....it's because of what the white man did to them way back when..and supposedly still doing to them now.
It's like the African Americans, oh woe is me, the white man enslaved us way back when and we just can't get over it.
Therefore, I'm going to sit on my front porch of my subsidized housing wearing my house shoes, night gown and wait for my welfare check. O Laud, I can't do anything cause the white man has put me here.

Ok, well, personally I wasn't there and I didn't do anything, yet I have to pay for it.
I don't take any blame for anything except for what I personally do.
So...point all you want, blame all you want and drag up all the his-tory that you want, but it doesn't make me one of those guilt ridden white Americans.

My people come from the ones who rescue everybody when the **** hits the fan, all over the world. The ones who give the world communication, air travel, electricity, medicine and any other useful thing everyone enjoys but complains about...

They're sure are a lot of white people in the world and Americans are a mix of everyone of them...

What a terrible bunch of people...

What bandwagon? Where is it going? Is everyone climbing aboard?



There is a cover story for every history because the TRUTH has to be hidden. And guess who is hiding it?

That's right, the white man!

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Like I said, the DNA test would put the his-tory straight.

http://en.geneawiki.com/index.php/Genealogical_DNA_test#Biogeographical_ancestry

So you can choose to "believe" or you can choose "fact".

Thanksgiving 2009: Let’s Be Thankful For Religious Liberty!

http://blog.au.org/2009/11/26/thanksgiving-2009-lets-be-thankful-for-religious-liberty/

Of course there was always bickering in the tribes but they had there freedom. Folks always make it about the fighting, because they are owned by a mass manipulator who has them right where they want them, killing each other. So clever it got people doing in each other and it doesn't even have to lift a finger.

Peace and fighting were made by the Natives throughout there history and they were all able to live on the same continent what a feat! And didn't care to dominate the world or the land.

But I'm talking about freedom now, not the seeds of destruction, it has got so bad and has been that it's either join together or die. The bandwagon to freedom. That includes every individual on the face of the planet, right now before it's too late.
I want to think that what the Lakota are doing now will work out but Evil has so much control it's kind of like a sick joke on the Natives. No matter what ANYONE does to try and escape it's all a delusion, this oppressive energy remains ruling.

It's a fact that fighting will exist as long as Evil is around, but other Beings visited the Natives as well and they had peace for a while luckily.

You are not guilty of anything. Everyone in history was treated inhumanly not just Natives and Blacks, all those people with complexes need to get over it already, don't let them fill you with hate too.
They need to snap out of it now before it’s too late for them. The manipulator has them just where it wants them.
I don’t know what’s in the white man or why they were made rulers (very specific ones choosen by the Zionists or one of the many faces of Evil) that just wants to make them conquer everything. Right there tells me exactly what's working through them.

The Natives came from the Asian stock. But It doesn't matter geologically where anyone comes from on the Earth (besides the continents sink and shift), their ancestry and so forth down to the soul is what matters, which doesn't even originate on earth. No one really owns the land, never had and never will. And one doesn't own a God(ess) such as the Earth. Might try to destroy it though.

Rounding up people and putting them all together in one area based on phenotype is exactly what EVIL would do. On the internet they say it looks like America will be rounded up into prison camps!

Yes, I am just trying to say that dragging up all this his-tory and pointing fingers doesn't help anyone move forward.
Yes, we can learn from history, but who is really writing it? Every race has a sell out in the bunch. Not one group of people is innocent regardless of race or creed. Let's just point out the evil Jews, but make sure to specify the WHITE JEWS...

guns , germs , & steel ??? damn jews{whites} must of learned that from the bible~babel i.e.. sword,famine,pestilence & the beast ????? by Haudenosaunee

Like, the brown Jews are innocent.

Ok, so I haven't traveled the world, but I do happen to live with the Native Americans daily. I can't see their whispering willows and their imaginary ways they so love to put in your face about how they are the keepers of the earth and everybody else is just beneath them because they don't know the big cloud in the sky, or whatever.

I see what I see...

But hey, my opinion just makes me apart of the evil, blue eyed devil race that is not indigenous to this earth. You know, the ones that are destroying the world for everyone else.

There are evil people in this world, but I don't think they belong in generalized groups of race. I don't think the "white man" or any other race should be held responsible for what individuals or groups of individual people do.
I refuse to pay for "the sins" of others, related by blood or race or whatever...

Now there have been times that I have identified with certain groups and jumped on the bandwagon, but when I "woke up" and realized that I was going the wrong way, I jumped off the bandwagon.

I can tell you from personal experience, regardless of what group for whatever good reason, there are always infiltrators. Someone willing to sell out the group because they stand to gain at the cost of everyone else.
Just because every individual in the group may identify with the core reason to be in the group, each person is still an individual and thinks differently to some extent. Then the group breaks off into splinter groups and before you know it, they are undermining each other. So really, it's all about individuality.

When enough individuals have had enough of the way things are going, each individual will make the personal change on their own.

So, I am really trying to stay off the wagons and just walk. At least if I screw up and go the wrong way, I can't turn around and point at someone else.

I will only have myself to blame.

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There is only one true bandwagon ( ; all others are false.

What is the true bandwagon?

As long as you have life you can find that out for yourself

Everyday I watch the parade going by, but I don't have the inclination to jump aboard and participate.



When I attempt to leave the parade route, ....

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This bandwagon looks interesting...

http://www.phoenixanarchist.org/

However, I refuse to jump aboard.


Haudenosaunee, what's done is done, so what do you want? Acknowledgment of the evil that exist in the world?

Yes, it exist! So, now what?

Your ancestors contribution is acknowledged.

Award-winning 1995 Public Service Announcement about the 1987 Congressional ruling acknowledging the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the US Constitution. ...





http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons-additional.html

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I was trying to tell you not to participate in other bandwagons, only your own, that is the only one that will take you out of here, out of the Maya. I'm not asking anything else, just that realization. Meaning using your own will to evolve yourself. It does not matter what most say or do if you seriously know what you are doing and who you are.

However far away it seems, my bandwagon is that of freedom.

I didn't mean to sound like one of those slave masters either(media, religion, parents and then those other subtle forces) Seems that you already know what to do around them, run run run.

I notice you like to do your own thing, great.

Yes, seraphim I agree. I have already been on a few bandwagons and it's never what it's made out to be. The experiences were actually discouraging. You get involved thinking it's a good cause or a good thing and you stay long enough to find out what's behind the scenes, not realizing there is a "behind the scenes". At that point, I would have to resign myself. Then everyone is upset because you just can't go along with the big picture plan. You point it out to everyone, but they just can't see it. Those who do see it think the negatives justify the positives because they are the ones benefiting instead of the ones that were supposed to be benefiting from my time and effort. I can't believe how greedy and self-centered people can be to use situations like this. geeze...'

Just like David Icke says, just because you wouldn't do it, doesn't mean other people won't do it.

I have not found one good cause or good thing out there that doesn't have something behind the scene, if you know what I mean. After several experiences of this kind, you realize there is nothing else but your own bandwagon. Still then, I have found myself walking because I can't find my bandwagon.

I am trying to shed a lot of the programming and keep an open mind and investigate all issues.
I didn't realize how deeply programmed I was and I'm still fighting to get out of the abyss.

The enemy of discovery is not ignorance, but presumption of knowledge - R. A. Gabriel

Haudenosaunee, do you ever have anything of your own to say or do you just like posting reading material?
I would like to have a conversation with you and know your thoughts and opinions without having to read a book.

Hi Rainyday, I didn't mean to not listen to anyone, of course listen to those you respect. I was mostly talking of those groups that are controlling.

You get involved thinking it's a good cause or a good thing and you stay long enough to find out what's behind the scenes, not realizing there is a "behind the scenes".

You can say that again. How do people get blind in the first place?

You mentioned that people want to be justified for what had been done to their ancestors. I totally agree people are blinded once again and focusing on the wrong things, that just perpetuate hate. The Natives are not as spiteful as other wronged groups, instead of acting out and commiting crimes or say hateful things like others do, they take out all the wrath on themselves. Alot of alcohol abuse being done.
I'll tell you right now, after the genocide of the Natives, if they never would have been put on reservations, they would have been no more, they would have blended with other ethnicities. So that is the ONLY good thing about that, it may have ironically saved them all.

As for people who harbor bitterness and resentments, and that goes for folks in relationships who are unfortunately in one with a vampire or a dysfunctional one, I really don't understand how they can keep all that hate for all the wrongs done to them for all their life. Just because of what another person did to them in the past.

I might as well not be living if I have all those feelings in me, there is no way I can live like that. I am such a free spirit. And I'm not ignoring what is happening or my own feelings. I work through them and try to understand it's really the other person who needs help and all their negative energy projected onto me I just can't absorb, so I can't harbor resentment and all that or feel hate like they do.

Haudenosaunee must be shy huh?? I am related to one of the Native American tribes but not by blood. But grew up around them and have them as family. Would you like my take?

The enemy of discovery is not ignorance, but presumption of knowledge - R. A. Gabriel

What a great quote that is

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