The difference between the Egyptian and the Nordic Mysteries

What is the significant difference between the Egyptian and the Nordic Mysteries?

Does anybody of you know?

You proclaim to know about history. What is the answer?

Sure I know.

I will give you a egyptian tidbit:

Have you been truly happy in your life?
Have you made others truly happy?

And a Nordic one:

What is the difference between good and evil?
What is light and darkness?


You will see that each set of questions must be approached differently in order to solve the riddle of life.

Two different ways, yet both leading to the same conclusion.


I could be interested in hearing thoughts concerning the "what is the difference between good and evil" question.

I could be interested in hearing thoughts concerning the "what is the difference between good and evil" question.

Simply put: The problem with polarity.

Irony, that is a very complicated question. One that I certainly can't answer in it's entirety, in one single post. I am not qualified to say anything definitively as well.

However, I would first hint at the potential of a possible "third player" other than "team evil" and "team good", a sort of binary split that divides the two. Or said another way, a possible "original source" that could have created "good" and "evil", as perceived by the flaws of man.

I think another angle or question of approach could be "who or what created "good" and "evil", and did something else exist before the creation of the two, and what was that source?

I'll leave you with a simple thought, to illustrate what I am getting at. How many parts make up the yin yang?



Most people would probably say 2. However, I think that there are 3 parts. The line that separates the two halves, namely black and white, is your "Z Axis". It has bilateral symmetry. The problem is, we are looking at things with two dimensional spectacles on.

This also takes into account your "light and darkness" question. The problem here is seeing things as simple as "1" and "2". I believe that the mechanics of the Universe operate in a ternary pattern. Thus, the topology would change, when taking into account "binary matters", such as "good" and "evil", "light" and "darkness".

I also might add, the possibility that I don't know shit, and that I could be completely out of my mind.

• I also might add, the possibility that I don't know shit, and that I could be completely out of my mind.

Yes, Flames, but knowing this will it make us wealthy beyond our
wildest dreams?

Yes, Flames, but knowing this will it make us wealthy beyond our
wildest dreams?

It hasn't thus far, TG. Quite the contrary, I'm afraid, at least in my case.

It would seem you need a lesson in money grubbing then, no?

Well, the problem of finance is sure another paradox itself, isn't tg? I could probably do better as an alchemist.

• I could probably do better as an alchemist.

Rare is the philosophical man who is good at making money.

Rare is the philosophical man who is good at making money.

Brother, you should throw that in the quote thread and patent it. TG, I believe you of all people, based upon my reading of your posts, here and other, that you could have something extremely profound to say, in regard to Irony's topic. Light vs. Darkness, Good vs. Evil. At this point, I am waiting for school. Let it go, TG. Have at it. Don't mean to pry, but damnit, I think I can safely speak, that we would love to hear what you have to say about this age old problem of polarity.

1. Have you been truly happy in your life?
Have you made others truly happy?

And a Nordic one:

2. What is the difference between good and evil?
What is light and darkness?


You will see that each set of questions must be approached differently in order to solve the riddle of life.

Two different ways, yet both leading to the same conclusion.


I could be interested in hearing thoughts concerning the "what is the difference between good and evil" question.

1. I asked you if you were truly happy in your life because I know you were hurt in your past.

2. You can say that evil and good are in the same spectrum (differences) of duality (same in the end). A wonderful example of when people knew this was the great Goddess Kali. But still people wouldn't know unless they personify it.
And another example that hits close to home, the beast and the angel working on the same problem using different skills in whatever way (specifically in this case, one uses good the other evil) to come to similar conclusions.

seraphim wrote:

1. Have you been truly happy in your life?
Have you made others truly happy?

And a Nordic one:

2. What is the difference between good and evil?
What is light and darkness?


You will see that each set of questions must be approached differently in order to solve the riddle of life.

Two different ways, yet both leading to the same conclusion.


I could be interested in hearing thoughts concerning the "what is the difference between good and evil" question.

1. I asked you if you were truly happy in your life because I know you were hurt in your past.

2. You can say that evil and good are in the same spectrum (differences) of duality (same in the end). A wonderful example of when people knew this was the great Goddess Kali. But still people wouldn't know unless they personify it.
And another example that hits close to home, the beast and the angel working on the same problem using different skills in whatever way (specifically in this case, one uses good the other evil) to come to similar conclusions.

Flames understood my hint that the (egyptian initiation "Happy/Sad question" is for introspection and not projection.

I said: I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the "what is the differrence between good and evil question" for a reason.

But to answer you:

1. Who has not been hurt?

2. Really? One uses good and another evil? Is that so? Is it this clear cut? Or could it be that we all use good and evil? Just checking...

Flames wrote:

I could be interested in hearing thoughts concerning the "what is the difference between good and evil" question.

Simply put: The problem with polarity.

Irony, that is a very complicated question. One that I certainly can't answer in it's entirety, in one single post. I am not qualified to say anything definitively as well.

However, I would first hint at the potential of a possible "third player" other than "team evil" and "team good", a sort of binary split that divides the two. Or said another way, a possible "original source" that could have created "good" and "evil", as perceived by the flaws of man.

I think another angle or question of approach could be "who or what created "good" and "evil", and did something else exist before the creation of the two, and what was that source?

I'll leave you with a simple thought, to illustrate what I am getting at. How many parts make up the yin yang?



Most people would probably say 2. However, I think that there are 3 parts. The line that separates the two halves, namely black and white, is your "Z Axis". It has bilateral symmetry. The problem is, we are looking at things with two dimensional spectacles on.

This also takes into account your "light and darkness" question. The problem here is seeing things as simple as "1" and "2". I believe that the mechanics of the Universe operate in a ternary pattern. Thus, the topology would change, when taking into account "binary matters", such as "good" and "evil", "light" and "darkness".

I also might add, the possibility that I don't know shit, and that I could be completely out of my mind.

Yes, DUALITY.

To trancendent duallity is the path to enlighenment, there is something beyond, a "third" option.


There is the Yin and the Yang, and then there is transformation, so yes you were right, there are three stages of Self...

The I Ging is called the book of transformations.



Tantra is just another word that stands for something that is unutterable.

"The Pathless Path"

There are two ways:

The way of the WARRIOR and the way of the KING.

The first is the way of YOGA and the second of TANTRA.

First you must understand the way of the Warrior.

A soldier must fight inch for inch to get somewhere.

He must use FORCE (violence), he must be agressive.

The enemy must be conquered. The body must be tamed and controlled.

Yoga causes a dichotomy (dualism), tells you clearly what is right and what is wrong.

What to do and what not to do. Right and wrong. (dualism, being in a seperated state).

Practically ALL RELIGIONS follow the example of Yoga except for TANTRA.

For example, when you are full of hate and you go the way of the warrior, you must ANNIHILATE all the hate in you.

You have anger, greed, sexual urges and a thousand other things to "annihilate" all the time....

The way of the warrior says to destroy everything that is wrong and to cultivate everything that is right.

Hate must be destroyed and love must be cultivated. Anger must be eliminated and so on.

Neighborly love must be implemented. Sex must be abolished for that "Brahmacharya" can pass through.


Yoga splits itself into two pieces apart like only a sword can: the right thing and the wrong thing.


And the right MUST triumph over the bad.



So what can you do..all you know, there is anger, fear, hate, sadness, apathy....sometimes.

What would you have to do if you follow YOGA?

If you follow Yoga you condition reflexes, you practice habits...


This kind of morals are a nothing but a WASTE OF TIME!




The royal view goes over all duality above.
No distraction.
NO METHOD is the way of all Buddhas (enlightened beings)
Who follows this path will achieve SELF

Perishable is THIS world
Unsubstantial like phantoms and dreams.
Leave your dreams behind (do not "identify" yourself with this world)
Say no and leave Yours behind (your hopes to gain something else from this world then experience and beauty)
And meditate in the forests of the mountaintops..
(when you become selfware you will be like a mountain, distant from the markets, distant from the lowly chatter
and yet "available" to be experienced by the rest.)

When you stay natural without labour, relaxed,
then you can reach MAHA MUDRA soon.
And will achieve the non-victory.

Yoga is years of trained REFLEXES. They are not pure, enlightenment. They are conditionings of a soldier.

Why do you think Mr.Jesus (even though it went awfully wrong in old Judea) called himself a KING?

He was on a path, the path. Nobody elses path but the path for all, (one day or another).

A habit works without awareness. A soldier is like automaton.

Nothing but obedience and to FOLLOW ORDERS.

The warrior is not allowed the full spectra of consciousness.

There is a difference between a good habit and to be real, to be really good. A habit is only a roleplay.

Reaction, Reflex....people have a lot of them in combination wiith their indoctrinated morals.

They are not real, they have no beauty because they did not transcend themselfs....

They only follow "reflexes" of which they think are expected of them.

Yoga says: you must get better "step by step" & day by day...

take the child and it''s toys....

It's the most important thing to them in some moment. They will cause pure terror if you try to separate them from their favorite object.

They even take it with them to bed.

You tell them this and that, but they need to discover it...themelfs..

Then oneearly day they forget all about it, not because of your doing, not because of your TEACHING....

But because they TRANSCENDED their need by naturally experiencing it efficiantly enough and there is nothing else for the child to dicover...

It's that easy. than the child moves on and when it sees another child with that toy that obsessed it laughes and says:

Oh.....but that's child's play.

..it was struck by circumstance, by a flash of insight about the nature ofthe thing...

That's how it's always....

That's why TANTRA doesn't "teach" you anything...it prepares you to acknowledge and distinguish your own path and being,

Irony wrote:What is the significant difference between the Egyptian and the Nordic Mysteries?

Does anybody of you know?

The Egyptian Mysteries are the INNER JOURNEY and the Nordic Mysteries is the experiencing of the Self in the "outsideworld"...

Both aim at "transcending" duality which is present within and without (transformation is the goal).

That's why the Egyptian Mystery is known as a esoteric initiation and the Nordic Mystery as an exoteric initiation.

But - exoteric does not have the same meaning here as it has in some other instances....

what I mean by that is that the initiation is a "demonstration"......of some kind.

When transformation takes place change occures "inside and outside", regenerating the whole....that which we fell as "oneness"..on some level.

In the Egyptian mysteries you are pretty much dealing with yourself (focussing on your mind, introspective) and in the Nordic Msyteries you get to KNOW yourself by reflecting on the world outside of you (mirror magic anyone?) ....or some old cat that crosses your way might has a meaning, especially if it is a "black" one.

Flames understood my hint that the (egyptian initiation "Happy/Sad question" is for introspection and not projection.

I said: I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the "what is the differrence between good and evil question" for a reason.

But to answer you:

1. Who has not been hurt?

2. Really? One uses good and another evil? Is that so? Is it this clear cut? Or could it be that we all use good and evil? Just checking...

1. It's good to know that hurt is a driving force in people, as I said below it's part of the spectrum. And it's important that folks understand what is effecting them.
And hope they don't forget the hurt they have may hurt others.

2. Yin, yang is one of the many spectrums of the One Infinite. And none of those spectrums in the dualities have anything to do with the essence of a Being. Although
it seems to be the major controlling factors. Just like a light hits you and you can't help but be affected by it.

Good and evil is part of the spectrum too and is going to be in whatever it encounters, so that's quite a bit and almost everything, including individuals on Earth. Good and evil are small powers over all human actions and deeds.
They belong to duality, so that doesn't make them much different.
Evil seems to have more of an upper hand infuencing people in the field of Maya.
Sadly alot of folks tend to be under the spectrum of evil, or they use more evil than good.

I'm glad that you discovered tantra......It is the great Goddess Kali that embodies all Tantra!

Tantra enhances the shakti (not just the expression of an external force) the grace of one's inner power. When making that a part of our world in every way, then we accept our own power, restoring
our higher being.
Tantra also enhances the shakti lying dormant within our deeper selves, unfolding rhythms of Her (Goddess Kali of which is in people's essence) magical self. Why God's and Goddesses are held sacred.

Non-dualistic Tantra views the world as a projection of Divine energy and material nature purely as a transformation of the female creative principle. As a spiritual discipline, Tantra unfolds a rigorous path
involving the nurturing of inner and out purity, a meditative state and dedication to the devi-devata. The bestowal of a higher conscioiusness transcends the realities of spirit and matter, male and female,
pain and pleasure, and every conceivable duality.
Pure Tantra requires that we become Kali.

If i think about it, my interest lies more in a "philosophy of the now" which is always imminent and would take into consideration and have great respect for past wisdom , but never adhere to it in a form of blind vision , always keeping wide open the door for "present revelation" which can be like a form of insight which may initially confound the "trained" senses, but bears the signature of creation which manifests and communicates as a fluidic movement in emotion that is felt in present time by those in its vicinity(area of expression) therein lies a signifier key to its presence.

In a world dominated by Eminence (the expression of their aquasitions) i am slightly more concerned with imminence(the study and perception of the quality or condition of being about to occur in me and those around me ) completly influenced by my self in real time, and by others.

On the question of good and evil , these are the barometric extremes of behaviour , beleifs , conditions for human expressions , but the reality is that good and evil begins in thought , and all thoughts can potentially pass through any mind .
The responsibility of the human is to control its own actions or expressions to be good and not evil although some may prefer the opposite

And to implement this, u can see in history is not an easy task , because one mans good may be another mans idea of evil , so a lot of communicating has to be done to get to the bottom of this major problem , so the introduction of the internet is really momentous

On the question of good and evil , these are the barometric extremes of behaviour , beleifs , conditions for human expressions , but the reality is that good and evil begins in thought , and all thoughts can potentially pass through any mind .
The responsibility of the human is to control its own actions or expressions to be good and not evil although some may prefer the opposite

Indeed, we have thoughts, but are those thoughts really our own? Do you identify yourself with what you think?

My question may be strange but I think that my thoughts are like clouds, they've been in many heads before they came to me at some stage and it is me who observes them, their form and then I let them move on.

Let's compare thoughts to clouds okay.

I am the sky, unchangable, no matter if it rains or the sun shines, the sky is always empty, all shows itself in it - in the morning the sky is colored red, in the night the sky is black, but these things come and go, they pass from one moment to another.....am I these things? Or am I empty by nature. thoughts come and color my sky in different shapes and colors but I am unaffected - unless I identify myself with the clouds, then I might forget my own nature and become dependent on the mood of the moment...or I remember that I am the sky and then I just observe the thoughts pass through without being affected by rain or sunshine....then I have transcended duality from within.

And hope they don't forget the hurt they have may hurt others.

Nothing can exist WITHOUT "hurting another" being....we are the eating, eater and eaten.


When you hurt something or somebody, and beleive me...you do,

do you pay as much attention to that process as when it is you being on the receiving end?

That's why the truth is often brutal and enlightenment a rare incident.

Nothing can exist WITHOUT "hurting another" being....we are the eating, eater and eaten.[

I'm not talking about that kind of hurt.

When you hurt something or somebody, and beleive me...you do,do you pay as much attention to that process as when it is you being on the receiving end?

Yes.

I really do hope you take to heart what I said. Please when you are ready, answer those questions to yourself, when the time comes, one of these days.

seraphim wrote:

Nothing can exist WITHOUT "hurting another" being....we are the eating, eater and eaten.[

I'm not talking about that kind of hurt.

All hurt is the same, the only distinction you could make is mental and physical hurt. Which one are you talking of?

seraphim wrote:

When you hurt something or somebody, and beleive me...you do,do you pay as much attention to that process as when it is you being on the receiving end?

Yes.

I really do hope you take to heart what I said. Please when you are ready, answer those questions to yourself, when the time comes, one of these days.

And you didn't care or just use double standards then?

Hehe, no worries it was a "rethoric" question and when times comes and you are ready you'll start to be more "introspective" and have less stress looking at it from a whole new perspective, especially everything that bugs you about "Uri"

All hurt is the same, the only distinction you could make is mental and physical hurt. Which one are you talking of?

Intentional, whether you know of it or not, or where the source is coming from. Something foreign placed inside. Not supposed to be there.

especially everything that bugs you about "Uri

Really, do people bug you, or do you like to. Could have never figured that out.
Instead of hurt you call it bug?

seraphim wrote: Intentional, whether you know of it or not, or where the source is coming from. Something foreign placed inside. Not supposed to be there.

That sounds more like an excuse for yourself, you say there is something "foreign" placed inside of you that does the hurting.."not you"..

..at least that's what I read out of your statement.

Interesting way to circumvent responsibility, but has it merit?

What about life's duality, are you supposed to be exempt from it while the rest of creation has to deal with it quite naturally?

Isn't all of creation carrying this "something foreign" or "duality" inside, that makes them eating, eaters and the eaten?

seraphim wrote:Really, do people bug you, or do you like to. Could have never figured that out.
Instead of hurt you call it bug?

You don't seem to be the most introspective person I know and even though you may not "intent" to hurt others, does that mean you don't?

Okay, if I hurt your (or more like the foreign....) feelings in the past, because I tried to help you, excuse me, I won't try again. If you can be kind enough to see what's going on inside.

but the reality is that good and evil begins in thought

or is it in feelings