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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 15:43

The Prophet George on Suicide...


Suicide Solution...


Wine is fine
But whiskey's quicker
suicide is slow with liquor
Take a bottle drown your sorrows
THEN IT FLOODS AWAY TOMMOROW!!
Evil thoughts and evil doings
Cold, alone you hang in ruins
Thought that you'd escape the reaper
You can't escape the master keeper
'Cause you feel life's unreal and you're living a lie
Such a shame who's to blame and you're wondering why
Then you ask from your cask is there life after birth
What you saw can mean hell on this earth
hell on this earth!!
Now you live inside a bottle
The reaper's traveling full throttle
It's catching you but you don't see
The reaper's you and the reaper is me
Breaking laws, knocking doors
But there's no one at home
Made your bed, rest your head
But you lie there and moan
Where to hide, suicide is the only way out
Don't you know what it's really about
Oh, now people! You really know where it's at! You gotta! What?
Get the flaps out! Shoot-shoot-shoo-shoo! You gotta! Get the flaps out!


"Suicide Solution" is a song by Ozzy Osbourne. It is track five on the album Blizzard of Ozz released in 1980. Guitarist Randy Rhoads wrote the riff to the song (he had previously used the riff on the Quiet Riot track "Force of Habit"), and Bob Daisley helped co-write the lyrics. Ozzy Osbourne supposedly released this track as a tribute to Bon Scott of AC/DC who died of alcohol abuse.

The song was very controversial following its release. On January 13, 1986, Osbourne was taken to court by the parents of John McCollum, a depressed teenager who shot himself in the head while listening to this song. The court cleared Osbourne in the case. IBAR, The Institute for Bio-Acoustics Research, analyzed the song and found that subliminal message-like noises were recorded in the song; Osbourne, however, denied anything of the sort. Lyricist Bob Daisley and Osbourne himself both claimed that Ozzy said, "Get the flaps out," referring to a part of the female anatomy. However, some claim that Ozzy said, "Get the glass shoot," "Let yourself go," "Get the fucking gun" or "Get the gun, get the gun, shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot," both of which supported the court case . Either "Get the flask out" or "Get the shot glass," however, were more logical translations, since the song is dealing with alcohol.

What is also overlooked is that Daisley, when he wrote the lyrics, used the word "solution" to mean a substance--in this case, an alcoholic beverage--dissolved in a liquid, not in the sense of solving a problem. Osbourne himself has had a lifelong struggle with alcohol addiction, and the song is particularly meaningful to him because it depicts the personal self-destruction he was facing before he cleaned himself out and sobered himself up.

Another tragic case was that of rock music obsessed 14 year old (Eric A.) of St. Louis Park, Minnesota, who shot himself with a .22 caliber rifle. [3] His parents blamed Osbourne, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and Mötley Crüe. Osbourne, however, was the prime target, due to his song, "Suicide Solution."

The song is also famous for Randy Rhoads's solo at the end of the song on the live album Tribute; this solo originated from Rhoads' Quiet Riot days in which he performed this song part way through "Laughing Gas," the original solo was over 6 minutes and contained references to "Goodbye to Romance," "Mr. Crowley," and "the overture to The Legend Of William Tell," even though the solo he performed with Osbourne was just over two minutes. The live solo features some of Rhoads's fastest recorded playing.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 16:04

Over 1 million people commit suicide every year, making it the tenth-leading cause of death worldwide.
It is a leading cause of death among teenagers and adults under 35.
There are an estimated 10 to 20 million non-fatal attempted suicides every year worldwide.

According to 2005 data, suicides in the U.S. outnumber homicides by nearly 2 to 1 and ranks as the 11th leading cause of death in the country, ahead of liver disease and Parkinson's.
Worldwide suicide rates have increased by 60% in the past 50 years, mainly in the developing countries.
Most suicides in the world occur in Asia, which is estimated to account for up to 60% of all suicides.
According to the World Health Organization, China, India and Japan may account for 40% of all world suicides.
In the U.S., for example, the rate of suicide is increasing for the first time in a decade. The increase in the overall suicide rate between 1999 and 2005 has been due primarily to an increase in suicides among whites aged 40–64, with white middle-aged women experiencing the largest annual increase.[
A number of factors are associated with the risk of suicide including: mental illness, drug addiction, and socio-economic factors.
While external circumstances, such as a traumatic event, may trigger suicide it does not seem to be an independent cause.
Thus suicides are more likely to occur during periods of socioeconomic, family and individual crisis.

Substance abuse is the second most common cause of suicide after mood disorders.
Both chronic substance misuse as well as acute substance abuse is associated with an increased risk of suicide.
This is attributed to the intoxicating and disinhibiting effects of many psychoactive substances; when combined with personal grief such as bereavement the risk of suicide is greatly increased.
More than 50% of suicides are related to alcohol or drug use. Up to 25% of drug addicts and alcoholics commit suicide
In adolescents the figure is higher with alcohol or drug misuse playing a role in up to 70% of suicides.
It has been recommended that all drug addicts or alcoholics are investigated for suicidal thoughts due to the high risk of suicide.

Misuse of drugs such as cocaine have a high correlation with suicide. Suicide is most likely to occur during the "crash" or withdrawal phase of cocaine in chronic abusers.
Polysubstance misuse has been found to more often result in suicide in younger adults whereas suicide from alcoholism is more common in older adults. In San Diego it was found that 30% of suicides in people under the age of 30 had used cocaine. In New York City during a crack epidemic one in five people who committed suicide were found to have recently consumed cocaine. The "come down" or withdrawal phase from cocaine can result in intense depressive symptoms coupled with other distressing mental effects which serve to increase the risk of suicide.

It has been found that drinking 6 drinks or more per day results in a sixfold increased risk of suicide.
Alcohol misuse is associated with a number of mental health disorders and alcoholics have a very high suicide rate.
High rates of major depressive disorder occur in heavy drinkers and those who abuse alcohol. Controversy has previously surrounded whether those who abused alcohol who developed major depressive disorder were self medicating (which may be true in some cases) but recent research has now concluded that chronic excessive alcohol intake itself directly causes the development of major depressive disorder in a significant number of alcohol abusers.

Chronic prescribed benzodiazepine use or chronic misuse is associated with depression as well as suicide. Care should be taken when prescribing especially to at risk patients. Depressed adolescents who were taking benzodiazepines were found to have a greatly increased risk of self harm or suicide, although the sample size was small. The effects of benzodiazepines in individuals under the age of 18 requires further research. Additional caution is required in using benzodiazepines in depressed adolescents.[22] Benzodiazepine dependence often results in an increasingly deteriorating clinical picture which includes social deterioration leading to comorbid alcoholism and drug abuse. Suicide is a common outcome of chronic benzodiazepine dependence. Benzodiazepine misuse or misuse of other CNS depressants increases the risk of suicide in drug misusers. 11% of males and 23% of females with a sedative hypnotic misuse habit commit suicide.

Socio-economic factors such as unemployment, poverty, homelessness, and discrimination may trigger suicidal thoughts. Poverty may not be a direct cause but it can increase the risk of suicide, as it is a major risk group for depression. Advocacy of suicide has sometimes been cited as a contributing factor.

In the Western world, males die much more often by means of suicide than do females, although females attempt suicide more often. Some medical professionals believe this stems from the fact that males are more likely to end their lives through effective violent means, while women primarily use less severe methods such as overdosing on medications.

In the United States 16.5% of suicides are related to alcohol. Alcoholics are 5 to 20 times more likely to kill themselves while the misuse of other drugs increases the risk 10 to 20 times. About 15% of alcoholics commit suicide, and about 33% of suicides in the under 35's have a primary diagnosis of alcohol or other substance misuse; over 50% of all suicides are related to alcohol or drug dependence. In adolescents alcohol or drug misuse plays a role in up to 70% of suicides.
National suicide rates differ significantly between countries and amongst ethnic groups within countries. For example, in the U.S., non-Hispanic Caucasians are nearly 2.5 times more likely to kill themselves than African Americans or Hispanics. In the United Kingdom suicide rates vary significantly between different parts of the country. In Scotland, for example the suicide rate is approximately double that of England.

The predominant view of modern medicine is that suicide is a mental health concern, associated with psychological factors such as the difficulty of coping with depression, inescapable suffering or fear, or other mental disorders and pressures. A suicide attempt is sometimes interpreted as a "cry for help" and attention, or to express despair and the wish to escape, rather than a genuine intent to die.
Most people who attempt suicide do not complete suicide on a first attempt; those who later gain a history of repetitions have a significantly higher probability of eventual completion of suicide.

In The Eclipse: A Memoir of Suicide, author Antonella Gambotto-Burke reports that in the West, middle-aged men now lead "the self-annihilation stakes (40% of total suicides)." She continues: "Triggers of choice are generally separation, unemployment, debt. Male gender identity is defined by (active) conquest ... In externalizing the source of their self-esteem, they surrender all emotional independence. (Conquest requires two parties, after all.) A man cannot feel like a man without a partner, corporation, team. Manhood is a game played on the terrain of opposites. It thus follows that male sense of self disintegrates when the Other is absent."

In the United States, individuals who express the intent to harm themselves may be automatically determined to lack the present mental capacity to refuse treatment, and can be transported to the emergency department against their will. An emergency physician will determine whether inpatient care at a mental health care facility is warranted. This is sometimes referred to as being "committed". A court hearing may be held to determine the individual's competence. In most states, a psychiatrist may hold the person for a specific time period without a judicial order. If the psychiatrist determines the person to be a threat to himself or others, the person may be admitted involuntarily to a psychiatric treatment facility. This period is usually of three days duration. After this time the person must be discharged or appear in front of a judge. As in any judicial proceeding this person has a right to legal counsel.

Switzerland has recently taken steps to legalize assisted suicide for the chronically mentally ill. The high court in Lausanne, in a 2006 ruling, granted an anonymous individual with longstanding psychiatric difficulties the right to end his own life. At least one leading American bioethicist, Jacob Appel of Brown University, has argued that the American medical community ought to condone suicide in certain individuals with mental illness.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 16:07

Deaths for Self-Inflicted Injuries World Map per 100,000 inhabitants...from 1978-2008


Suicide Map 2009...Males...gray coloer = no data...


Suicide Map 2009...Females...
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 16:46

A 2006 report by the World Health Organisation (WHO) states that nearly a million people take their own lives every year, more than those murdered or killed in war.
WHO figures show a suicide takes place somewhere in the world every 40 seconds.
Suicide rates are highest in Europe's Baltic states, where around 40 people per 100,000 die by suicide each year, second in line is in the Sub-Saharan Africa where 32 people per 100,000 die by suicide each year.
The lowest rates are found mainly in Latin America and a few countries in Asia.

In 1998, the World Health Organization ranked suicide as the twelfth leading cause of death worldwide.

In most countries the incidence of suicides is higher than the incidence of intentional homicides.

As many as 60,000 people commit suicide in Russia every year; approximately 30,000 people die by suicide each year in the United States; over 30,000 kill themselves in Japan; and about 250,000 commit suicide each year in China. In western countries men commit suicide at four times the rate of women. Women are more likely to attempt suicide than men. The countries of the former Soviet Bloc have the highest suicide rate in the world. The region with the lowest suicide rate is Latin America. Up to at least the 1950s, it was the Republic of Ireland which had the lowest suicide rate in the world, as reported by an Irish TV news report in 2007. In India, suicide rates for women are nearly three times higher than those for men. Higher suicide rates among women have been reported in China.

Suicides per 100,000 people per year:
Rank Country Year MalesFemalesTotal
1. Lithuania 2005 68.1 12.9 38.6
2. Belarus 2003 63.3 10.3 35.1
3. Russia 2004 61.6 10.7 34.3
4. Kazakhstan 2003 51.0 8.9 29.2
5. Slovenia 2003 45.0 12.0 28.1
6. Hungary 2003 44.9 12.0 27.7
7. Latvia 2004 42.9 8.5 24.3
8. Japan 2004 35.6 12.8 24.0
9. Ukraine 2004 43.0 7.3 23.8
10. Sri Lanka 1996 NA NA 21.6

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, suicide contagion is a serious problem, especially for young people. Suicide can be facilitated in vulnerable teens by exposure to real or fictional accounts of suicide, including media coverage of suicide, such as intensive reporting of the suicide of a celebrity or idol.

In the United States, males are four times more likely to die by suicide than females. Male suicide rates are higher than females in all age groups (the ratio varies from 3:1 to 10:1). In other western countries, males are also much more likely to die by suicide than females (usually by a factor of 3–4:1). It was the 8th leading cause of death for males, and 19th leading cause of death for females.[16] Excess male mortality from suicide is also evident from data from non-Western countries.

Race and suicide

By race, in the United States, caucasians are nearly 2.5 times more likely to kill themselves than are people of Native American descent or Hispanics. There is a marked divergence by age as seen in the chart below. In the eastern portion of the world (primarily in Asian or Pacific-Island countries) the growing numbers of reported suicides is growing every year. Suicide rates for younger people of original descent and caucasians are approximately equal, but older caucasians, elderly caucasian men especially, commit suicide far more often than older men of original descent. However, of all ethnic groups in the United States, Native Americans, people of mixed race, and Filipino Americans have the highest risk of suicide.

Sexual orientation and suicide
The likelihood of suicide attempts are increased in both gay males and lesbians, as well as bisexuals of both sexes when compared to their heterosexual counterparts. The trend of having a higher incident rate among females is no exception with lesbians or bisexual females and when compared with homosexual males, lesbians are more likely to attempt than gay or bisexual males.

Studies vary with just how increased the risk is compared to heterosexuals with a low of 0.8-1.1 times more likely for females and 1.5-2.5 times more likely for males. The highs reach 4.6 more likely in females and 14.6 more likely in males.

Race and age play a factor in the increased risk. The highest ratios for males are attributed to caucasians when they are in their youthhood. By the age of 25, their risk is down to less than half of what it was however black gay males risk steadily increases to 8.6 times more likely. Through a lifetime the risks are 5.7 for white and 12.8 for black gay and bisexual males. Lesbian and bisexual females have opposite effects with less attempts in youthhood when compared to heterosexual females. Through a lifetime the likelihood to attempt nearly triple the youth 1.1 ratio for caucasion females, however for black females the rate is affected very little (less than 0.1 to 0.3 difference) with heterosexual black females having a slightly higher risk throughout most of the age-based study.

Gay and lesbian youth who attempt suicide are disproportionately subject to anti-gay attitudes, and have weaker skills for coping with discrimination, isolation, and loneliness, and were more likely to experience family rejection than those who do not attempt suicide. Another study found that gay and bisexual youth who attempted suicide had more feminine gender roles, adopted an LGB identity at a young age and were more likely than peers to report sexual abuse, drug abuse, and arrests for misconduct.

One study found that same-sex sexual behavior, but not homosexual attraction or homosexual identity, was significantly predictive of suicide among Norwegian adolescents. In Denmark, the age-adjusted suicide mortality risk for men in registered domestic partnerships was nearly eight times greater than for men with positive histories of heterosexual marriage and nearly twice as high for men who had never married.

Social factors and suicide
Higher levels of social and national cohesion reduce suicide rates. Suicide levels are highest among the retired, unemployed, impoverished, divorced, the childless, urbanites, empty nesters, and other people who live alone. Suicide rates also rise during times of economic uncertainty (although poverty is not a direct cause, it can contribute to the risk of suicide). Epidemiological studies generally show a relationship between suicide or suicidal behaviors and socio-economic disadvantage, including limited educational achievement, homelessness, unemployment, economic dependence and contact with the police or justice system. War is always associated with a steep fall in suicides; for example, during World War I and World War II the rate fell markedly, even in neutral countries.

Health and suicide
Depression, either unipolar or as part of bipolar disorder, is an especially common cause. Substance abuse, severe physical disease or infirmity are also recognized causes.

An unknown amount of suicide fatalities are misdiagnosed as consequences of severe illness.

Season and suicide
The idea that suicide is more common during the winter holidays (including Christmas in the northern hemisphere) is actually a myth, generally reinforced by media coverage associating suicide with the holiday season. The National Center for Health Statistics found that suicides drop during the winter months, and peak during spring and early summer. Considering that there is a correlation between the winter season and rates of depression, there are theories that this might be accounted for by capability to commit suicide [36] and relative cheerfulness. Suicide has also been linked to other seasonal factors.

The variation in suicides by day of week is actually greater than any seasonal variation. In the United States, more people die by suicide on Monday than any other day; Saturday is the day with the least number of suicides.

Suicide trends
Certain time trends can be related to the type of death. In the United Kingdom, for example, the steady rise in suicides from 1945 to 1965 was curtailed following the removal of carbon monoxide from domestic gas supplies which occurred with the change from coal gas to natural gas. Methods vary across cultures, and the easy availability of lethal agents and materials plays a role.

It is estimated that global annual suicide fatalities could rise to 1.5 million by 2020. Worldwide, suicide ranks among the three leading causes of death among those aged 15–44 years. Suicide attempts are up to 20 times more frequent than completed suicides.

Suicide and body mass index
Risk of suicide decreases with increased weight and is low in obese persons.

Suicide and religion
Suicide rates are shown to be higher in low religious environments
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 17:18

List of Suicides...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides

Artists...

http://arthistory.about.com/library/artists/lists/bl_suicide.htm


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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 19 Jun 2010, 17:21

I did not know the lead singer for Big Country got drunk and hung himself...just a drop in the bucket I guess, when you look at the numbers...

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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 20 Jun 2010, 00:13

Yes, I thought this part was the most interesting from all these wikipedia factoids...

In The Eclipse: A Memoir of Suicide, author Antonella Gambotto-Burke reports that in the West, middle-aged men now lead "the self-annihilation stakes (40% of total suicides)." She continues: "Triggers of choice are generally separation, unemployment, debt. Male gender identity is defined by (active) conquest ... In externalizing the source of their self-esteem, they surrender all emotional independence. (Conquest requires two parties, after all.) A man cannot feel like a man without a partner, corporation, team. Manhood is a game played on the terrain of opposites. It thus follows that male sense of self disintegrates when the Other is absent."
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 20 Jun 2010, 12:18

This ties into my suicide thread. As how many sane people off themselves because of the infection from an insane society eating them down to the eventual decision to rid themselves of societal disease.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 21 Jun 2010, 23:44

at the time, Heard the big country guy topped himself over psychological problems in regard to a woman ...through the grapevine

In finding themselfs in an insane society , suicide may be a sane act for some

Suicide seems to arouse from 2 areas

Enflamed or tortured emotions through drink, drugs , passions
Tortured thoughts or torture by thought ......and the inability to find a healing for tortured thoughts

So one could imagine that to live a disciplined life and expand both psychological and philosophical prowess and undestandings may negate the suicidal impulse .....but then there is reason to beleive that these pursuits can also generate new reasons to consider suicide in the cold light of day

There could be the impulse suicide whereby a new powerful torment emotion puts someone over the edge
Or there could be the inevitable suicide after a long spell of experiencing a cultivated torment and thus degradation in the spirit of the individual

I cant help thinking that "torment" is a key ingredient
When something torments the self , it requires urgent attention to extract and heal the torment rather than ignore and banish it into a deeper seat in the psyche where it will arise again with renewed vigour

The problem being that the cure for the torment may require the persona to face and alter something in themselfs and some things cut in so deep
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Post  seraphim on Fri 25 Jun 2010, 21:31

Have you ever wondered why it's that way, why suicide..........maybe because of the trauma of the female/male split. Why people and animals will die if they don't have companionship , why people go crazy when by themselves, especially alone in a cell.
The trauma from the male/female split is the worst trauma for people I believe. And so imbedded, just study behaviors of many mammals and you will see it.

Mind control thus losing your own mind, being a puppet, a slave can make people want to kill themselves, so they think about dying, but taking half of what they are away, was alot worse and people want to die instantly when they are alone.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 00:03

Those whom have chosen to take out themselves have not been able to come back and explain the experience , or what it leads too , or not too, so i have to think its a massive gamble forced on some by either extreme physical pain, emotional angst or intellectual torment of the nth orders

But its a subject that certainly requires ongoing study

The japanese were one of the first to make it an "honourable event " in their culture but i wonder what their philosophical perspectives were that allow that beleif , do they think they are going to another place or re-incarnating ?
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Post  tgII on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 03:00

  • The japanese were one of the first to make it an "honourable event " in their culture but i wonder what their philosophical perspectives were that allow that beleif , do they think they are going to another place or re-incarnating ?


Philosophical? The Japanese? Are you joking? The Japanese are
the least philosophical people in the world.

They are a completely utilitarian people and culture. And the fact
they are a deeply sentimental people makes for the suicide option
very attractive; 30,000 average per year kind of attractiveness.

To be 'honorable' in suicide is the ultimate act of utilitarianism. The
machine is broke; can't fix it so discard it. It is mechanical for the
Japanese; 30,000 can't fit into the highly utilitarian intensely
controlled homogeneity of their culture synthesized from Prussian
military obedience and the British system of bureaucracy and banking,
so they opt out - permanently.

An 'honorable' suicide is a fifteen year-old junior high school Japanese
boy who cuts an electric wire from a light and tapes the exposed
copper wires to his chest. He is jolted to death after he plugs the
other end into the socket. The honorable part comes from him
taping a notice to his back for those that find him, that would be
the police, which on the note is written, "Please don't touch me; I
am still electrified."
He was warning anyone who would find him
not to touch him until they disconnect the plug from the electrical
circuit. I shit you not. An 'honorable' and completely utilitarian
death/suicide.

Television is a fucking wasteland here, inane, utterly stupid and childish
drivel - night-after-night.

Many suicides fling themselves into on-coming trains; it is a utilitarian
act of revenge on society in general: It causes enormous inconvenience
to thousands of Japanese when the trains are stopped, the mess cleaned
up, investigation completed, photos taken, family sent the bill.

Even the act of fornication is a complete utilitarian orgasmic dead end.
And you should view porno made in Japan; it is inexplicably mechanistic
and businesslike - like automotons on remote. That's why Japanese
girls once fucked up, sorry, I mean, hooked up with many foreign men
go absolutely bonkers with 'love': foreign men treat Japanese girls with
a sort of 'romantic' relationship Japanese men haven't a clue about.
Marriage here is a state sponsored and condoned institution.
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Post  tgII on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 04:32

  • What are the odds of a Japanese revolution one day, taking back their way of life, from their own power elite?


Honestly, not a chance in hell. The average Japanese is at their
beck and call; and that is not even the slightest of exaggerations.
Japan is the only country/ethnicity I am currently aware of who
have an incredibly intense allegiance to their tribe. It is terrifying.

  • So the Japanese elite have been in lock step with the Anglo-American "New World Order" agenda all along, eh?


Why of course; remember this guy?



Well, he was replaced with this guy:



And the reason the guy in that first picture was replaced
with the guy in the second picture, is because the Anglo-
American empire told the Japanese, "Look, replace this
clown with some one who understands reality or we will."

Seems he wanted to foolishly attempt kicking several
American military bases out of Okinawa.

Now, the Anglo-American power elites who run the empire and
don't have any qualms whatsoever about killing anyone who gets
in there way, arranged to have a South Korean Navy cruiser sunk
and blamed on the North Koreans. Perhaps you remember that
news a short while back, no? Killed 43 South Korean sailors. The
plebeian feudal middle-class Japanese seemed to have been
getting a little uppity about those military bases and the jets
flying sorties over their homes in Okinawa. Can't have that now
can we; time for a few heads to roll: One sunk South Korean ship.

That was a 'shot across the bow' of that guy in the first picture;
the Anglo-Americans sent him a message loud and clear, "Fuck
with us and we'll start some shit in your neck of the woods that
will put you on your knees to us."
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 11:30

I thought you were working your way to getting out of Japan and making a move to Russia.
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Post  tgII on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 13:42

So did I, honest! It seems at the moment stashing loot
in the coffers for old age had its compromises.

And I still think Russian girls are damn cute.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Thu 01 Jul 2010, 17:32

....mmmmm....yes they are...

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Post  seraphim on Fri 02 Jul 2010, 21:33

Hi Blackbird, I send you some heartfelt strength I love you

Maybe the Japanese left their philosophies to become kamakazies? But all for the wrong reasons.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 03 Jul 2010, 11:14

Was thinking of hari kari and indeed kamikazi, but they seem mostly related to the japanese concept of honour in the acts of war
Thx for the window into their psychology TG
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Post  highnoon on Sun 04 Jul 2010, 17:48

As a male whose about to turn 25 living in western society i can say from my point of view that whenever ive thought about suicide its been over a perceived or real transgression towards my manhood.

at one time in my life i was chatting up a girl too good for me i met on a dating site and we would talk for hours for a period of 3 weeks or so, planned on seeing a concert. but the night before we talked on the phone for the first time she didnt like my voice or persoanlity so made up an excuse to back out of the concert. then a year later somehow we met each other she just kindof appeared on msn and i invited her to dairyqueen on a sunday early morning. things went okay i had no intention of dating her i was just curious as to what she was really like in real life. but afterwards on the computer days later after that meetup we got talking and she got cheeky with me and said flat out that she doesnt date guys with jobs, implying that she only networks, dates, or fucks musicians, entrepreneurs, businessman, athletes. it really offended me and that was one of the last times we talked. but the damage she did which didnt seem that much as a few days went on, got much worse when my step sister whose in her late 40's made fun of me by comparing how much money i earned by the time i was 22 to how much she earned, and that my pizza delivery job was a joke and something that 18 year olds do, and though i had been doing it for a year almost by then and making good money like 110-150 cash per day (enough money to buy my car) it didnt qualify to my adopted families eyes as me doing something with my life or being responsible.

then weeks later my mom who had been in the hopital for months and out of the hospital at times, just was about to die suddenly from complications of her disease. the family told me (all of my moms real grown up children) that if i was going to move out that they would gladly pay for half of my rent for 1 year to help me get on my feet. and that if i needed essentials to outfit my apartment, they had old pots and pans in the attics that they would gladly give to me. this was all told to me outside the room to my moms deathbed at the hospital. it unfuriated me...because half the rent for 1 year is. well lets just say theres apartments for 700 with hardwood flooring, and half of that is 350. but if i have a roommate im already paying half the rent. so their subsidy of my rent is a measly 175 dollars per month if i take a roommate.

so they're going to give me 2 grand and pots and pans because my mom died and maybe i would like to move out because maybe id like to achieve manhood and independence!

then afterthis because i didnt have a phone at the time i got lost on a delivery and couldnt communicate (my fault) to the restraunt, my boss before his 3 week vacation to greece took away my thursday friday and saturday shifts leaving me with just sunday monday. i took another job in mon to fri and kept sun mon delivery. but i got sunstroke from working in the summer at that labour job and was just tired and on a wednesay crashed my deceased moms cadillac. left the scene of the accident then found out that because im a new driver i have to remain at the scene. so i got a ticket for 357 which my dad paid cause he thought it was stupid. but when you pay that ticket you lose your license so 5 months later i got my license revoked for 4 months and had to quit doing delivery at which point i did get a few days back. and then i quit all other work and decided to try school.

at some point in all this i started using crack cocaine and spent as of 2.5 years ago maybe 13 grand on the drug, maybe 30% -40% of my earning with me stopping completely a few months ago. but i pretty much quit almost a year ago. my social life improved where i could only really find the time or have the inclindation to do it sparsely, where back at its height it was like 3 times per week

stopping completely along with drinking was possible due to fatigue. not understanding why im doing it anymore. the quality getting much worse during the recession also helped me quit, but its just so pointless. to just get high in short bursts and then crash. it will kill you one way or another.

youll get robbed, youll get stabbed by a dirty needle. youll get hep c from anothers crack pipe. youll OD from purity levels (not anymore though), itll be cut with something terrible and youll go criminally insane for life. changes your gait and demeanor. puts all of your real joys and passions on hold because money is hard to come by becuse you spend too much on it.

and its all illuminati distributed under the guise of south american drug lords (south america is roman catholic and all the drug kingpins answer to catholicism and the king of spain)

it just felt like i was willingly becoming a pawn. i actually caused it all to happen because i was looking for fun i was tired of bending steel and cutting onions and driving to x y z streets and just all the abuse, and anytime i would find kindness, it was forced the kind due to a business atmosphere that demands it. like sitting down at a resturaunt and being pampered, but then the girl as shes walking to guide me to the table, makes sure her lower back is tucked in even though shes dressed kindof whorish. ok so you dont want me to see your lower back....because i disgust you. but you still want me to be aroused by your overall "hotness" and hope that i give you a big tip? im supposed to enjoy this scenario while i eat your overpriced appettizers and entrees?

i always tip big though because i get a satisfaction in doing the unexpected. i will pay no attention and look bored and have a poker face on if this happens during my meal at any point, but usually if it does happen its getting seated or around that time, then on the 23 dollar bill or whatever ill round it to 30 and then put on a big smile and start acting very pleasant near the paying phase. but in truth im upset because you are a waitress who dresses to invite my eyes but then covers a part of your body that i wasnt really even looking at but you wanted to protect yourself from me because something about me bothers you. selective whoring, and of course the waitress doesnt act rude but i saw the body language.

i cant really help it though, im a good looking intellectual who does have an aura of awkwardness. but watching the routine female reactions is displeasing, they always act to shun as if they are the meta gatekeepers of manhood or as if they all shun the imperfect to maintain the structure and order of the "established". but if you have any hints about you that you are valuable, then they are all over you and willing to take it all off immediatly, even if they are in a relationship with somebody else.

but this behaviour is really just a parallel to my own behaviour. i took to risky selfish behaviour because i was fed up. but i was actually not that kindof person. but other people. are this way from the get go. when they left the womb they were already "fed up" and had to grow into a path of self indulgence and backstabbing. like a female who does a one night stand with a guy that captures her imagination while her boyfriend is doing something else. shes acting on an impulse because maybe her boyfriend doesnt please her or capture the essence of the alpha male as perfect or fully as this one guy for the one night stand. they give in to the impulse because maybe life only has so many opportunities and they are simply just seizing the day. thats how pitiful we are. we seize the day. to do immoral things in secret is easy because we can dissassociate these acts easily enough. but to do things in the open that wrong people. it happens just so often. people take doors because they present themself. like do i join in and make fun of my friend with these people who dont like my friend or do i stick by my friend and empathsize that these people are hurting his feelings? what kind of person am i to join in and be the nth person to make fun of him? and what will the pain cause him that i am now doing something he doesnt like others doing? maybe the betrayal that im doing it will hurt more than the initial act of those other people saying those things, but i wont care because i cant miss the opportunity to get on these peoples good side. maybe i can think of something witty and funny to cut deep into my former friends psyche and heart and the laugher that ensues will teach people that i can be a source of comedy and i will become popular from that.



i dont mean to pick on women, but im straight so i only see what relationships are like from a male perspective, and why maybe the 4 to 1 ratio exists for male suicide to female suicide. women are cruel in their own pursuits of the right penis.
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Post  tgII on Tue 06 Jul 2010, 01:33

Very cool post, Flames, the part about 'pussy' though
really puts things in perspective.

It will break or make men; there is no compromising
with 'Virginia.'

Man, tell me more, what's it like to 'date' a stripper? Shocked

Sounds sort of like Jim Morison having sex with Grace Slick
behind stage?! Grace said Jim was a real 'backdoor man.'
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