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Post  Sputnik on Wed 26 Oct 2011, 14:33

The Lucis Trust behind Occupy Wall street

I know it sounds crazy, but what i found out about this movement it's just unbelievable.
I will try to make this short.

On the 15th October 2011 begun the worldwide action. For the first time in history, upwards of 15 million people in sixty countries marched together for a "global change". Their official website is: http://15october.net/
Someone decided to find out who owns that domain name by visiting this site: http://who.godaddy.com/ (This is a database with a searchable list of every single domain currently registered in the world).
As you can see from the printscreen i took, before the 18th October the registrant was
"Paulina Arcos
866 United Nations Plaza
Suite 516
New York, New York 10017
United States"

The Lucis Trust behind Occupy Wall street Paulina

Well... Who the hell is she? I googled her name and i couldn't find many infos, but i found out that she is Francisco Carrion Mena (permanent representative of Ecuador, chairman of the special committee at the UN) 's wife. Okay. I thought i had no more things to discover. The UN were behind this movement, that's it.
Well, i was wrong... While reading a book ("Freemasonry and Secret Societies" by Epiphanius, edition "Controcorrente" April 2008, page 620 ), i found out that the unofficial Lucis Trust's address is: 866 United Nations Plaza New York, and this information appears just on two books: the one i was reading, and on "Die Netzwerke der Insider" by Peter Blackwood.
Wait a minute.... This must be a joke.
...but here it comes the unbelievable part: On the 19th October, the WHOIS Information is been changed!!! In fact the registrant now is:
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
...as you can check here: http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=15october.net&prog_id=GoDadd

New infos about this "global movement": Let's see WHO support them...

George Soros expressed sympathy with OWS (Occupy Wall Street).
Let's read something about him: George Soros is a member of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission (a super-elite cabal of 300 international power brokers who practically rule the world), the Bilderberg Group and he is founder and chairman of the Open Society Foundations. He is known as "the Man Who Broke the Bank of England" because of his US$1 billion in investment profits earned in a single day (16th Sept 1992).


Mikhail Gorbachev says "Occupy Wall Street" signals an emerging New World Order.
Don't forgeto who is Gorbachev: a premier world Leader and boasts members at the highest levels of the United Nations bureaucracy, a member of the Lucis Trust (as reported by the EIR, Executive Intelligence Review di Washington).
..and guess what? His "Millennium Forum" is located in 866 United Nations Plaza, Suite 120, New York (as you can see here).
Here’s what Gorbachev said during on October 20th at Lafayette College. Exactly! The same address of the Lucis Trust...

“We are reaping the consequences of a strategy that is not conducive to cooperation and partnership, to living in a new global situation. The world needs goals that will bring people together. Some people in the United States were pushing the idea of creating a global American empire, and that was a mistake from the start. Other people in America are now giving thought to the future of their country. The big banks, the big corporations, are still paying the same big bonuses to their bosses. Was there ever a crisis for them? . . . I believe America needs its own perestroika. The entire world situation did not develop properly. We saw deterioration where there should have been positive movement.

My friend the late Pope John Paul II said it best. He said, ‘We need a new world order, one that is more stable, more humane, and more just.’ Others, including myself, have spoken about a new world order, but we are still facing the problem of building such a world order…problems of the environment, of backwardness and poverty, food shortages…all because we do not have a system of global governance. We cannot leave things as they were before, when we are seeing that these protests are moving to even new countries, that almost all countries are now witnessing such protests, that the people want change. As we are addressing these challenges, these problems raised by these protest movements, we will gradually find our way towards a new world order.”

Even economists support protesters (LOL). An anti-banks protest supported by big economists? Let's report some of them:

Mario Draghi: an Italian banker and economist who has been governor of the Bank of Italy since 16 January 2006. He has been designated to succeed Jean-Claude Trichet as President of the European Central Bank by November 2011.

Richard D. Wolff: an American economist, well-known for his work on Marxian economics, economic methodology, and class analysis.

Paul Robin Krugman: an American economist, professor of Economics and International Affairs at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, Centenary Professor at the London School of Economics, and an op-ed columnist for The New York Times. In 2008, Krugman won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his contributions to New Trade Theory and New Economic Geography.

Jeff Madrick: a journalist, economic policy consultant and analyst. He is director of policy research at the Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis, The New School. He was formerly finance editor of Business Week Magazine and an NBC News reporter and commentator.

Joseph Eugene Stiglitz: an American economist and a professor at Columbia University. He is a recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001) and the John Bates Clark Medal (1979). He is also the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank. He is known for his critical view of the management of globalization, free-market economists (whom he calls "free market fundamentalists") and some international institutions like the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. He is one of the most frequently cited economists in the world.

One more thing: the participants' slogan is "We are the 99%" (referred to the difference in wealth between the top 1% and the other citizens of the United States).
Isn't it ironic that they have "rich supporters"? I list two more "supporters":

Russell Simmons: an American business magnate as the co-founder, with Rick Rubin, of the pioneering hip-hop label Def Jam, and creator of the clothing fashion lines Phat Farm, Argyleculture, and American Classics. He is the third richest figure in hip-hop, having a net-worth estimate of $340 million as of April 2011.

Jimmy Wales: a co-founder and promoter of the online non-profit encyclopedia Wikipedia and the Wikia company. He is a member of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School and the advisory board of the MIT Center for Collective Intelligence, the Board of Directors at Creative Commons, Socialtext, and Hunch.com, and former co-chair of the World Economic Forum on the Middle East 2008. By the World Economic Forum he is one of the "Young Global Leaders" of 2007.

Occupy Wall Street is now on wikipedia (what a coincidence).

Well... do you need more evidence?

Wall Street protests gain Vatican support:

Source: http://lalternativaitalia.blogspot.com/2011/10/lucis-trust-behind-occupy-wall-street.html

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Post  Sputnik on Wed 26 Oct 2011, 14:38

Let's try to look who or what is behind the #Occupy movement..

So, who or what, is ADBUSTERS?

"Adbusters" was originally formed thanks to an initial $185,000 GRANT from a very shady and questionable non-profit organization domiciled in San Francisco CA (just down the road from Bohemian Grove and the Presidio PSY OPS HQ by the way) calling themselves the HYPERLINK "http://www.tides.org/"Tides Center.

All OWS financial needs are thus paid by "Tides" with a legal straw man entity called "ADBUSTERS".


We learn from HYPERLINK http://www.tides.org/ - www.tides.org, that "Tides has managed project and grantmaking activities totaling more than $2 billion.

In 2010, Tides had assets of approximately $267.6 million and managed project and grantmaking activities of approximately $243.5 million, including $86.2 million in financial activities for our fiscally sponsored nonprofit projects and $157.3 million in grantmaking and related activities. Tides also managed $26 million in real-estate related assets committed to the promotion of green nonprofit centers in 2010."

So, besides O.W.S. ­ what other "project activities" is TIDES FOUNDATION involved in? Can we find out who donates these millions to "Tides"? Follow the money, folks, follow the money. Talk about MONEY buying influence and change!! Talk about corporate greed and Ego-ism!!! Talk about Psy-Ops and young students being mind-controlled, bought off, and used as puppets! Talk about HYPOCRISY!!! ­ Well welcome to O.W.S. the "Occupy Movement" (and the "Arab Spring".)

In order to maintain "non-profit" (non tax) basis, the IRS requires tax-exempt foundations such as "Tides" to publish "disclosures". Here we see that MILLIONS of dollars have been donated to "Tides" from something called the "Open Society" ­ which we then find to be a wholly owned FOUNDATION of Mr. GEORGE SOROS!

SOROS is the front man for the House of Rothschild...

It is well known fact that the Rothschilds have been the ones financing and orchestrating the Bolchevik RED OCTOBER revolution...

House of Rothschild +George Soros + Open Society Foundation + Tides Foundation + Adbusters = Occupy Wall Street.

There you have it. Problem - Reaction ­- Solution.

This picture was the INNITIAL Sept. 17 Day of Rage Occupy Wall Street Logo:

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It is a original Bolshevik 'hammer and sicle' symbol of the 1917 revolution

It's on a lot of Soviet Union memorablia like post stamps:

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And in 1952 a Bronze statue sculpted by Evgeniy Vuchetich was donated to the UN by the Soviet Union

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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Wed 26 Oct 2011, 23:20

Excellent posts Lada. The best I have read concerning this topic.

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Post  highnoon on Fri 06 Jan 2012, 22:26


Big Soros Money Linked to “Occupy Wall Street”
Written by Alex Newman

Labor unions, communists, “community organizers,” socialists, and anti-capitalist agitators have all joined together to “Occupy Wall Street” and protest against “greed,” corporations, and bankers. But despite efforts to portray the movement as “leaderless” or “grassroots,” it is becoming obvious that there is much more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye.
Billionaire financier George Soros’ fingerprints, for example, have been all over the anti-Wall Street campaign from the very beginning. And this week, the infamous hedge-fund boss publicly announced his sympathy for the protesters and their complaints about bailouts — despite the fact that he lobbied for even greater unconstitutional handouts to bankers in 2009.
“Actually I can understand their sentiment, frankly,” he told reporters while announcing a large donation to the United Nations. “I can sympathize with their grievances.”

But Soros’ support for the protesters goes far beyond his tepid public statements. In fact, the original call to “Occupy Wall Street” came from the magazine AdBusters, an “anti-consumerist” publication financed by, among other sources, the Soros-funded Tides Foundation.

Other Soros-backed outfits promoting big government — some with myriad ties to the Obama administration — are also publicly driving the occupation campaign. MoveOn.org, for instance, has received millions of dollars from the billionaire banker. And now, the group is urging its supporters to join the Occupy Wall Street movement as well.

“Over the last two weeks, an amazing wave of protest against Wall Street and the big banks has erupted across the country,” MoveOn said in a recent e-mail to supporters, praising the “brave” demonstrators. “On Wednesday, MoveOn members will join labor and community groups in New York City for a huge march down to the protest site — the biggest yet.”

On top of supplying activists to join the demonstrations, MoveOn is also staging what it calls a “massive ‘Virtual March on Wall Street’ online.” The Internet-based demonstrations are a collaborative effort with another radical and well-connected outfit tied to Soros called Rebuild the Dream.

Led by self-described communist and former Obama administration czar Van Jones, the “Dream” movement is a partnership between a host of Soros-financed “progressive” groups. Big Labor and even Planned Parenthood — the largest abortion provider in America, which receives hundreds of millions of tax dollars each year — are partners, too.

“Together, we'll add hundreds of thousands of voices of solidarity from the American Dream Movement for the protests across the country and show just how widespread outrage at the Wall Street banks really is,” MoveOn boasted in its e-mail.

Other groups working with Rebuild the Dream are also publicly hyping the demonstrations. And more than a few of them are on the Soros payroll as well. Some examples include People For The American Way, Planned Parenthood, Campaign For America's Future, Democracy For America, Leadership Conference for Civil and Human Rights, Common Cause, Public Campaign, and many more.

Soros, of course, has a long history of financing organizations targeting the American system of government. He has also served on the board of the immensely influential global-governance-promoting Council on Foreign Relations.

Just last year, Soros claimed that the brutal communist dictatorship ruling mainland China should lead what he calls the “New World Order.” The Chinese tyrants, meanwhile, have also been touting Occupy Wall Street through the regime’s propaganda organs.

But Soros does not love the despots in Beijing for their commitment to “equality” or “democracy.” As The New American reported, behind Soros and his tens of billions lies even more wealth and power: the unimaginably vast Rothschild banking empire.

One of the richest men in the world today, Soros has been in legal trouble for corruption before — in France, for instance, he was fined more than $2 million for his illegal scheming. So, critics noted, it might seem ironic that the textbook example of a “corrupt financier” would finance a protest supposedly aimed at corrupt financiers. But the irony hardly ends there.

Union bosses and others intimately linked to President Obama — whose top campaign contributors included Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, and other big banks — are also playing a key role in the Wall Street protests. The protesters are even recycling administration talking points such as the old “the rich should be forced to pay their 'fair share'" — despite the fact that the “Buffett rule” tax proposal being advanced would almost exclusively soak what remains of the middle class.

But that might be the point. According to reports and analysts, the whole anti-Wall Street movement has been carefully orchestrated by the Obama-linked anti-capitalist union titans and tax-funded “community organizers.” A troubling plot to essentially finish off capitalism was exposed earlier this year, and at the time it was blasted as “economic terrorism.” Even more disturbing: It was uncannily similar to the growing Wall Street demonstrations.

Community organizer Stephen Lerner of the SEIU, a regular White House guest, was caught on video in March discussing the scheme to “bring down the stock market” and "destabilize" the nation — all with the stated goal of "redistributing wealth." And while the whole conspiracy was not revealed because Lerner suspected police were present, the strategies he mentioned included civil disobedience and mass anti-banker protests.

Another conspirator said to be pulling the strings, disgraced ACORN founder and union boss Wade Rathke, was advocating massive “Day of Rage” protests targeting bankers earlier this year. And he is also closely tied to Obama, who actually used to work for Rathke’s “community organizing” outfit.

ACORN, of course, was recently exposed engaging in widespread criminal activity while receiving millions of federal tax dollars. But after the organization filed for bankruptcy, its tentacles are taking over under new names — and still receiving government handouts.

Rathke is also a founding board member of the Soros-funded Tides Foundation, a key source of money for AdBusters magazine (which first called for the Wall Street occupation) and countless other anti-business groups. And he is directly tied to more than a few unions including the SEIU.

Beyond Big Labor and Soros “front groups,” as critics call them, is also a vast collection of socialist and Marxist organizations supporting the demonstrations. The Socialist Party USA, the Marxist-oriented Workers World Party, the International Committee of the Fourth International, and the Communist Party USA-affiliated People’s World are all publicly and openly backing the movement.

While the occupation movement purports to be “leaderless,” in reality, critics say its leaders and financiers are barely concealed. According to analysts, the protests — which are quickly spreading to cities across the United States, Canada, and Europe — actually represent a well-orchestrated operation being used by the very same elite “one percent” supposedly being protested against.

The “official” goals remain murky so far, almost certainly not by chance. But it is becoming increasingly apparent that liberty and honest money are not among the demands. Rather, bigger government, higher taxes, and an end to what remains of the free market system seem to be at the top of the list.

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Post  highnoon on Fri 06 Jan 2012, 22:32


Sir Karl Raimund Popper, CH FRS[1] FBA (28 July 1902 – 17 September 1994) was an Austro-British[2] philosopher and professor at the London School of Economics.[3] He is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century;[4][5] he also wrote extensively on social and political philosophy.
Popper is known for his attempt to repudiate the classical observationalist/inductivist form of scientific method in favour of empirical falsification. He is also known for his opposition to the classical justificationist account of knowledge which he replaced with critical rationalism, "the first non justificational philosophy of criticism in the history of philosophy".[6] As well, he is known for his vigorous defence of liberal democracy and the principles of social criticism that he came to believe made a flourishing "open society" possible.

Popper's influence, both through his work in philosophy of science and through his political philosophy, has also extended beyond the academy. One of Popper's students at the London School of Economics was the billionaire investor George Soros,[citation needed] among whose philanthropic foundations is the Open Society Institute, a think-tank named in honor of Popper's The Open Society and Its Enemies.


In Karl Popper's definition, found in his two-volume book The Open Society and Its Enemies, he defines an "open society" as one which ensures that political leaders can be overthrown without the need for bloodshed, as opposed to a "closed society," in which a bloody revolution or coup d'état is needed to change the leaders. He further describes an open society as one "in which individuals are confronted with personal decisions" as opposed to a "magical or tribal or collectivist society.


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Post  highnoon on Fri 06 Jan 2012, 22:34

TGII heres a website that might be of interest to you.


It has a handful of well written observations of Soros dealings over the years.

The secret financial network behind George Soros by William Engdahl
The reality behind George Soros is something other than his carefully cultivated media image.... George Soros is merely the visible face of a vast and very nasty network of private financial interests, controlled by the leading aristocratic and royal families of Europe. ...

Rather than use the direct powers of state to achieve crucial geopolitical goals, a secret cross-linked vast holding of private financial interests, tied to the old aristocratic oligarchy of Western Europe, was developed. It was in many ways modeled on the 17th-century British or Dutch East India Company models.

According to knowledgeable sources, the center of this Club of the Isles is the financial center of the old British Empire, the City of London. George Soros is a member of what were called in medieval days Hofjuden, or "Court Jews," who were and are run by this powerful, secretive network of aristocratic old families.

... Soros speculates in world financial markets through his secret offshore company, Quantum Fund N.V., a wholly private investment fond called a "hedge fund." ( Hedge funds have been identified by international police agencies as the fastest-growing outlet for illegal money laundering today.)

... Soros's Quantum Fund is registered in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, the Caribbean tax haven - so he avoids paying taxes, and also hides the nature of his investors, and what he does with their money.

By moving his legal headquarters to Curacao, Soros was able to avoid the kind of U.S. government supervision of his financial activities, that any U.S.- based investment fund must agree to, in order to operate. The Netherland Antilles, a possession of the Kingdom of Holland, has repeatedly been cited by the International Task Force on Money Laundering of the OECD as one of the world's most important centers for laundering the illegal proceeds of the Latin American cocaine and other drug traffic.

Soros has also taken care that none of the 99 individual investors who form his various funds, is an American national. By U.S. securities law, a hedge fund is limited to no more than 99 investors of highly wealthy individuals, so-called "sophisticated investors."

By structuring his investment company as an offshore hedge fund, Soros avoids public scrutiny. Soros himself is not even on the board of Quantum Fund. Instead, for legal reasons, he serves as official "Investment Advisor" to Quantum Fund N.V. through his company, Soros Fund Management, of 888 Seventh Avenue, New York City. If any demand be made of Soros to reveal the details of Quantum Fund, he can claim he is "merely its investment adviser."

... According to knowledgeable U.S. and European investigators, Soros is part of a circle which includes Marc Rich of Zug, Switzerland and Tel Aviv, the indicted metals and commodity speculator and fugitive; Shaul Eisenberg, the secretive Israeli arms and commodities dealer; and "Dirty Rafi" Eytan - both linked to the financial side of the Israeli Mossad, and to the family of Jacob Lord Rothschild.

Understandably, Soros and the Rothschild interests prefer to keep their connection hidden far from public view, so as to obscure the powerful friends Soros can claim in the City of London, the British Foreign Office, Israel, and the U.S. financial establishment.

The myth has therefore been created that Soros is a lone financial investment "genius" who, through sheer personal brilliance in detecting shifts in markets, has become one of the world' s most successful speculators. According to those who know him and have done business with him, Soros never makes a major investment move, whether against the pound or the franc or gold, without sensitive, high-level insider information. On the board of directors of Soros's Quantum Fund N.V. is Richard Katz.

Katz is a Rothschild man who is also on the board of the London N.M. Rothschild & Sons merchant bank, and the head of Rothschild Italia S.p.A. of Milan. Another Rothschild family link to Soros's Quantum Fund is Quantum board member Nils O. Taube. Taube is the partner of the London investment group, St. James Place Capital, whose major partner is Lord Rothschild. The London Times columnist, William Lord Rees-Mogg, is also on the board of Rothschild's St. James Place Capital.

Another member of the board of Soros's Quantum Fund is the head of one of the most controversial Swiss private banks, Edgar de Picciotto, who has been called "one of the cleverest bankers in Geneva," ... De Picciotto is a long-time friend and business associate of Edmund Safra, another Lebanese-born banker who controls the Republic Bank of New York.

Safra's Republic Bank today has been identified in U.S. investigations into Russian organized crime, as the bank involved in transferring billions of U.S. Federal Reserve notes from New York to organized crime-controlled Moscow banks, on behalf of Russian organized crime. As well, Safra is under investigation by U.S. and Swiss authorities for laundering Turkish and Colombian drug money.

...George Soros's relation to the secretive international Rothschild finance circle represents no ordinary or casual banking connection. It goes a long way toward explaining the extraordinary success of a mere private speculator, and Soros's uncanny ability to "gamble right" so many times in such high-risk markets.

Soros has access to the "insider track" in some of the most important government and private channels in the world. Since the Second World War, the legendary Rothschild finance family, at the heart of the financial apparatus of the Club of the Isles, has gone to great lengths to mislead, to create for itself a public aura of insignificance, behind which stands one of the world's most powerful and murkiest financial combinations. The family has spent significant sums cultivating a public image as a family of wealthy but quiet "gentlemen," ...

Among other things, they have wished to become known, since 1948, as being devoted to the cause of the new state of Israel, playing on the world's outrage over the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews during World War II. Indeed, since British Foreign secretary Arthur Balfour wrote his famous November 1917 letter to Lord Rothschild expressing official British government backing for establishment in Palestine of a national homeland for the Jews, the Rothschilds have been intimately involved in the creation of Israel. It is no surprise, therefore, to find that today Soros and Rothschild have ties to Israeli intelligence, as well as to British and American.

But behind their public facade as a family donating money for useful projects such as planting trees in the deserts of Israel, N.M. Rothschild of London is at the center of various intelligence operations ...

N.M. Rothschild is considered by City of London insiders to be one of the most influential components of that part of the British Intelligence establishment tied to the Thatcher "free market" wing of the Tory Party. Rothschild & Sons made huge sums managing for Thatcher the privatization of billions of dollars of British state industry holdings during the 1980s, and today, for John Major's government.

As well, Rothschilds is at the very heart of the world gold trade, being the bank at which, twice daily, the London Gold Fix is struck by a group of the five most influential gold trade banks. Gold forms a major part of the economy of drug dealings globally.

But N.M. Rothschild & Sons is also implicated in some of the filthiest drugs-for-weapons secret intelligence operations. Because it is well-connected to the highest levels of the British Intelligence establishment, Rothschilds managed to evade prominent mention of its complicity in one of the more sordid covert intelligence networks, that of BCCI (Bank of Commerce and Credit International).

Rothschilds was at the heart of the vast international web of money-laundering banks used during the 1970s and 1980s, by Britain's MI-6 and the network of Lt. Col. Oliver North and Vice President George Bush, to finance such projects as the Nicaraguan Contras.

On June 8, 1993, the chairman of the Banking Committee in the U.S. House of Representatives, Henry Gonzalez of Texas, made an extraordinary speech in which he charged that the U.S. government, under the Bush and Reagan administrations, had systematically refused to prosecute BCCI, and that the Department of Justice had repeatedly refused to cooperate with Congressional investigations into the BCCI scandal, as well as what Gonzalez said was the intimately related scandal of the Atlanta, Ga. branch of Banca Nationale del Lavoro (BNL), which was alleged to have made billions of dollars in loans from the Bush administration to Saddam Hussein, just prior to the Gulf War of 1 990-91. ...

But, what has never been identified in a single major Western press investigation, was that the Rothschild group tied to George Soros was at the heart of the vast illegal web of BCCI.

... According to these reports, among Soros's silent investors are - as mentioned above - the reclusive fugitive metals and oil trader. Marc Rich, based in Zug, Switzerland, and Israeli arms merchant Shaul Eisenberg, who has been identified as a decades-long member of lsraeli Mossad intelligence, and who functions as a major arms merchant throughout Asia and the Near East.

And theres lots more

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Post  highnoon on Sat 07 Jan 2012, 11:33

Some debate copy pasta from a forum im reading.

First the bald faced bit of SOPA apologia posing as moderation plastered to the front page, which assumes that non-commercial infringement demands a legislative response, when the reality is that it is almost impossible to quantify the amount of damage that casual infringement actually causes, and there have been several studies (two examples being Pollara's report that the CRIA commissioned in 2006 and BI Norwegian School of Management's 2009 PTP study) that show that those who pirate the most copyrighted material, also tend to legally consume (purchase) more copyrighted material...

... and now this bit of well poisoning.

If OWS got its way, and America switched to publicly financed elections - what exactly would Soros get out of it? How would he benefit more from the change more than the Americans he's allegedly manipulating? Wouldn't he be making it more difficult for himself to influence politicians or buy legislation?

Reforms such as single payer health care and tax hikes for the wealthy - George Soros being among the ranks of the wealthy - would be more likely to pass in such an environment, and I doubt Soros harbors a masochistic desire to pay more taxes.

Any extension of unemployment or social security benefits would likely do little good for the independently wealthy Soros.

So, what's the angle? What does Soros get out of all this?

Time for some devil's advocacy I guess. Let's see if people can handle reading, understanding, and properly responding to opposing viewpoints:

Paragraph starting with the underlined portion= Short version. tl;dr at the bottom.

Sorry for the poor grammar.

Galactic said: ↑

From reading through this, what I got from it is, OWS, which is a largely left-wing movement, was started and funded by a left-wing organization, an organization which happens to be funded by George Soros, one of the wealthiest men in America and a pretty hardcore liberal.

What exactly is your issue with all of this? Liberals starting liberal causes? If you're telling conservative republicans to avoid the OWS movement... well then... I don't think you had much to worry about.


Presumably he considers it notable because one of the major advertising gimmicks of OWS is that it's nonpartisan and doesn't derive its funding from any of the major political machines. Nevermind that it just looks strange when an anti-establishment organization is being funded by the establishment. But hey, people believe weirder things in politics.

The argument here is that it looks shady as fuck when "We are the 99%" is being financially backed by the 1% they claim to want to destroy.

milesokeefe said: ↑

If OWS got its way, and America switched to publicly financed elections - what exactly would Soros get out of it? How would he benefit more from the change more than the Americans he's allegedly manipulating? Wouldn't he be making it more difficult for himself to influence politicians or buy legislation?

More difficult if we presume that people who truly have malcontent toward a country and its citizens are going to especially care about "over the table" rules and regulations. It's the same fallacy that makes us think that a "no guns allowed" rule at a government building is going to stop someone who wants to shoot up the place from doing so. Naturally, people like Soros and co. are commonly believed by the opposite end of the political spectrum to have ill will towards the United States and its citizenry.

The argument here is that such laws will prevent legitimate and transparent political funding, without doing anything to stymie ( and even encourage really ) backroom deals, under the table payoffs and outright fraud.

Reforms such as single payer health care and tax hikes for the wealthy - George Soros being among the ranks of the wealthy - would be more likely to pass in such an environment, and I doubt Soros harbors a masochistic desire to pay more taxes.

Look again at the income brackets that most of these proposed taxes start at. Yes, they'll hurt the pocketbooks of the mega wealthy, but they also target upper-middle class and business owners. Looking past tha at Soros and crew, we have a bunch of people who already have a great deal of personal wealth ( as such, income tax is less significant of a burden for them ) and have the ability to make money outside the country.

The argument here is that these particular taxes will target the modestly wealthy and small to mid sized business owners while the "super rich" that we all love to hate will have access to avenues through which to avoid being seriously harmed by them.

Any extension of unemployment or social security benefits would likely do little good for the independently wealthy Soros.

On a personal level? Not very much. As a political agenda, it helps reinforce the concept of a permanent semi-dependant underclass. Which, again, according to dissenters essentially amounts to a voter buying scheme and an avenue through which to seize more government control of the private sector.

Combined with the bit about taxes above, and it's being used to disseminate a concept that success should be reviled and pit the "low" against the "middle" by having people who desperately need a bit of help just to get through the day and keep their lives in order becaues the greedy rich won't pay them decent wages against people who are sick of the government stealing all their money to pay off freeloaders.

The argument here is that, essentially, several different political agendas are being pushed under false pretenses of compassion for the downtrodden (which honestly just reads like something straight out of The Fountainhead, but whatever)

tl;dr Illuminati up in this shit.


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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 08 Jan 2012, 07:44

Not so interested in Chris White or his debunking of David Icke, but an interesting take on Lucis Trust and Theosophy...

Aquarius...The Age of Evil...


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Post  tgII on Sun 08 Jan 2012, 10:49

Lada, Highnoon and QSC, I missed all this material in this thread.
Godaddy.com was seriously threatened. Interesting what is happening

Time for some good forensics on Godaddy:

I suspect the City of London's global trade is being threatened so they

Brilliant insights here.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 09 Jan 2012, 01:36

Re - The icke debunk video

Im all for these type of debunk videos where the maker has presented his case in a clear and concise manner and put down a lot of stimulating information , which in itself can now be debunked by a debunking debunker , but i will try and put down my feedback on the icke persona rather than debunk the debunker because i see positives in icke and also in this debunkers case against icke , both are crucial to a developing progressive human understanding of the mystery of human origins and the human psyche

David icke could very well have been taken out of a bbc studio in 1989 and deeply hypnotised by a thomas schumann type project and then set on his way , courtesy of the bbc who gave him full exposure to put forth his new channeled wisdom for humanity which contained both warnings and hope
He also may well have taken a trip to south america taken the plant potion and spoken with the spirits

The main area of concern for me is that i do not believe what david icke says any more than i believe what i was taught in school about history , but what i do believe is that david icke has been a positive force in recent human mind reconditioning and also that icke is feeding the human imagination which can be good or bad depending on the gullibility of the listener

The only negative concern i have about david icke is that he has become a form of industry , he's dealing in an area that is at best vaguely tangible and therefore there is only so many books you can put out about where the human race has been , is going and about entity channellers , i think one or two books on that subject is all that could be reasonable put forth by one person without raising the chances of the person contradicting themselves in certain areas which opens up the terrain for the debunker, and so it should, as soon as any person puts out public material for money, about beliefs predictions etc, then that material must be expected to be scrutinised in every angle and that should even be welcomed by any genuine open researcher writer teacher

Icke should really throttle back on the more intangible speculations on the cosmos and come back down to the physical earth a bit more and actually expose real people doing sneaky things against other people like politicians, bankers, etc, with the platform he now has, he could do some good exposure work there and using facts to do it, which would build up his credence factor once more and reduce his ridicule factor

I remember commentating back in 06 or 07 that his website had a terrible corporate template feel about the presentation , and that was around the time he seemingly met his third wife an american and i think she was in charge of his website presentation , she now screwing him for as much of his fortune as she can in the split up as "lovers" do to each other after the passion or money fame trip has ended
Theres a price on everything , davids channellers should have warned him about her I'm thinking but i guess they got more important subjects to muse over

i have no doubt that there are entities that exist in the dream and other dimensions just outside of conscious wake time , but no person can control such communication and especially turn it into a marketing business, to do so, only seems to bring bad vibes to the revealer , i think thats why the mystic has to be diffused "in open Publicly" through allegory, metaphor, analogy so that the mystic revealer can keep a safe fence between themselves and their revelations because there are a lot of very hungry wolf packs out there waiting to pounce on anyone that puts out info that they can't confirm in a scientific experimental way, although these wolf packs never seem to hound the very scientists that have revealed utter gibberish over the years

such is this current existence

But the tools are there for so called channeled info, Allegory, metaphor, analogy these tools have been around for as long as history records and its for a very good reason , Self-protection , the ego likes to say "I'm the special one" but say it in private only , never in public or you suffer great consequences

Would like to see Icke concentrate on the area he mentions on this vid , The higher bloodlines, above bush senior, the levels of delegated ignorance , Continually publicly expose their matrix of control and their crimes with evidences (russel Brand should learn to shut his gob while the other person is speaking , really annoying problem these days with the current saturation of amateur interviewers)

Intresting that icke defines himself as a one man band back then which he was anything but considering his sources and assistants , a one man band is someone who does everything to do with their work themselves


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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 14 Jan 2012, 15:09

i was thinking twice about my comments on david ike above and in retrospect , i think i was a little unfair to him from my own now extended thought out opinion on him

Whether he is a deeply entranced BBC "Red Shoes" operator for pied piper distraction operations or a genuine reborn spiritual thinker for the benefit of humanity , my bottom line is that i remember exactly when the well-respected bbc presenter suddenly came out with his ...at the time publicly wacky theories on humanity , and i truly thought , this is excellent coming out on national tv, and the man is either deeply entranced or he's acquired balls of steel with reference to his previous social existence, and this is a victory for the psychic spirit of humanity over a psychically conditioned restrictive society

he presents his material in a clear and concise manner, and i have to say that anyone who is speaking or producing works publicly will invariably at some point contradict themselves over a 20 year span . especially when (assuming he is genuine) they have to also try and learn to ride the commercial tiger that imposes its own demands on any that encounter it

So my conclusion is that ike, like any other public figure , who are putting out material for sale, should be open for any criticism that comes their way, and when that criticism is put forth in a clear and concise presentation , they should actually welcome the challenge in opposing its accusations, or insinuated contradictions , because its in these oppositions that a person can really find out if their foundational thought structures are based on bullshit or not so , are full of contradictions or not so, and also , only in these type of encounters is where a human can truly learn to transcend the baser instincts of the ego under the heat of engagement .
And if they are found to have been incorrect or contradictory , is that really so bad , any form of error can be dissipated with the correct measure of directness and humility where necessary and even compliment to the other that pointed it out , if it pointed out in a respective manner , if not, then usual personality slangs apply as they do
In my observations , ike is in a pretty good place with regard to his own ego-daemon, but he's not perfect , but progressing with age like any learned person

My one further piece of advices for david ike and all peoples working publicly in these fields is that id really like to see more public debates with their detractors , with a firm but fair referee host because that is the type of discussions that will really expose and expel a lot of simmering bullshit that has been allowed to linger for way too long and then allow people to concentrate without so many distractions on the never-ending mystery of the human psyche and this phenomena currently called reality , which may (according to some in the field) ) be played out in approx 11 months 1 week What a Face Very Happy so time is absolutely of the essence to get into the nitty and gritty in all

The show will be called "LETS GET IT ON " a philosophical and factual test of ones (public figures) own proposed understanding of being and where it came from pitted against another that opposes this understanding , the final result , if allowed to play through all the meltdowns from immature emotional participants of which there would be some , is that each person would learn something new as would the audience , in both perception of information and in the relationship of humans in communications and all the subconscious violent forces that try and collapse this type of truly open discussion at the earliest fermentation of it , why are these forces present ? that would b the first subject matter before the show could possibly begin in earnest

Footnote - One extra piece of advice for David Ike, You may thank me in the future for this observation David

Your starting to take the shape of the typecast western gent in their twilight years AKA BeerBellySyndrome, its perfectly understandable , too much rich foods, not enough exercise , not enough sleep, not enough sex etc but its a gradual thing when left to its own devices creates a chasm to reverse
Get it together now Mr Ike, it doesn't take too much change, just watch out for the late night comforting habitual snacks which aren't really required in most instances , and start to impose short sharp regimes of high intensity exercises which will both enhance the mind clarity plus raise that all important metabolism to fat burn mode which in turn spin off into feel good factor, willpower firms, sexuality enhances , general energy towards others takes on a higher glisten undercurrent of anything is possible
Yip, the physical body gives a way a lot more than use its shape
I want to perceive a new slimmer fitter ike this summer that will reap great benefits in both insight and energy transformation and "guidance systems" from this new age-defying model

Here are my initial recommendations to get you started dave, learn to do hindu push ups and hindu squats, these can be undertaken in any hotel room whilst travelling and afford a super workout possibility for many of the major body parts and internals . Do slow and methodical reps and then also do fast controlled reps that really raise that heartbeat intensity
Also get along to the isle of wight argos shop if they have one , and pick up a gym ball, these are nice for a varying series of very beneficial body workouts movements to keep these limbs in motional excellent trim

YYes, David, just once a day or every second day, take about 30 to 45 mins and you can start to work miracles on your own current body shape and that will only benefit you tremendously in all areas of your existence including still able to eat what you fancy without denying oneself, its all in the magic of metabolic willpower reflective power attainable by anyone who really wants it

This information is given freely from luv because i already earn enough to keep me satisfied at the moment in other fields of study and endeavours

De Nada Daveed


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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 14 Jan 2012, 16:39

Icke's belly is one with structure that resembles a swollen liver from one too many pub nights of shots, draughts and snifters.

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