A Warning...

If you are studying spirituality, esoterica, 'channeling', esoteric knowledge or are trying to contact spirits, you should understand first very clearly what you are doing, there is no free lunch in this universe, if you think there is you are deluding yourself. If you "meddle in the affairs of dragons you will become lunch." You better learn first how to protect yourself because the spirit world is very real and just as much a jungle as it is here.

A highly recommended video done by Laura Knight-Jadczyk from Cassiopaea. Laura's video can be viewed off her site or you can view the Youtube version I posted to the board:

Go to Knowledge and Being: Introduction

Now that was interesting. I wonder what experiences led her to that conclusion.

tgII wrote

there is no free lunch in this universe

But there is if you steal it.

I have to tell you there is a dragon inside of me that attached like a parasite while astral travelling.

Don’t know what it is but there’s something inside that makes me stark raving mad.

I even had a spiritual person tell me recently that I do all these horrible things to them.

I’ll try to oppress this very bad thing inside.
Excuse me for saying this, but the video triggered it.

hell, I have a hard enough time contacting real people in this
realm

Yeah me too. I can see why one could get so lonely in this world, that they might attempt contact with an "entity". I've always been interested in reading about such matters, but frankly growing up in a super superstitious Roman Catholic family has still affected me even in my adult life. I have enough negative people to deal with in this realm, let alone in others. I wonder if there is a hierarchy system in other realms like there is this one?

Yes, I agree tgII madman! it is for gain and guess what... my goodness I found out this spiritual person wasn't so spiritual and I'm really not a dragon!

Guess what....I never believed anything this spiritual person said anyway. But yes they make you believe all these delusions that are just their inner turmoils coming out and of which they project them onto others.
p.s.
Another for profit is Gore may he RIH.

Kapis,
The laws that rule society have turned people into criminals just to make a living and then they go down from there and turn into the criminally insane. Almost everyone in the U.S. has turned this way especially the youth. Soon it will be like in those Mad Max movies!
The universe thrives on energy, maybe why it could be so harsh out there or just trying to survive.
tgII,
You are mad as hell? I don't blame you. My folks have 'fire in the mind', and it's good to have that, but they don't know how to tune it or use it in a different way that is more productive.

The laws that rule society have turned people into criminals just to make a living and then they go down from there and turn into the criminally insane.

saraphim, you noticed too did you? You mean it's that obvious? "Laws that rule people", yes, but there are other laws available for flesh and blood persons to get out of that society, but it comes with a "drawback", these particular rules force one to walk in this world as an angle and gentle as a lamb.

There is no doubt the economic system has been put in place by some rather malevolent people in most cases more than not they are psychopaths.

However, what are we to do then in our individual struggle to put food on the table and clothes on our back within the narrow confines of this one sided system? There are actually very few alternatives unless you are almost completely self-sufficient and off the grid not living in a large city where your survival depends literally on the assistance of others, i.e., farmers, stores, garbage collection, electricity, clean water?

My parents went through that too saraphim, they suffer and feel the excruciating insufferable pain of wishing they could have done better, it continues, generation after generation after generation...abysmal ignorance.

...anger, it comes in many forms, for me, I am beyond repair and rehabilitation; shortly after being born into a staunch incredibly strict Catholic hierarchical family, I was circumcised (permission wasn't requested), I was inoculated (permission wasn't requested), I was subjected to guilt and original sin (permission wasn't requested), my tonsils were ripped out (permission wasn't requested; a tonsillectomy is a mild form of castration in males), my father projected his anger and dominant personality onto me, I became him (permission wasn't requested), I was bullied throughout school having the shit kicked out of me at every opportune moment by intimidating bullies, the psychological horror show continues...do people now understand why individuals are incapable of reconciliation in their life and go berserk, or worse, kill people or blow their own brains out?

A little extreme perhaps, but my conclusion of all this is that people should be put on an isolated island and shunned by the rest of us when they decide to bring children into this world under circumstances like this...innocent barely conscious children don't deserve this...

TGII , i know u spoke of some of these before, my heart goes out to you in a recognition of the obstacles you have surmounted to be in this day with a strength and resilience that displays something eternal about the spirit in you

What to do about such horrors, me thinks that since you have developed a supreme command of language and vast array of knowledge couple this to your own personal experiences and inside you right now, lies a rich kind of gold that no one has ever seen before and it could only ever be mined by you , if you so choose to do so .

But i understand its always easy for anyone to speculate and that speculation can never ever pretend to know how one might feel or what they might feel like doing after their experiences.


It is horrendous to think of the horrors that are commited on young innocents by ignorant teachers and parents

Does one blame them directly or just view them as parts in a larger mechanism of evil that overlooks the psyche of the human

Thanks, Kapis, didn't mean to use it as a spring board for drawing
sympathy or attention to myself though, only so that others can
learn from us.

I hold no one responsible for this carnage I experienced and
understand all things should be corrected by the individual
hopefully getting a person on the right path again, unlike so
many in society who hold others responsible and seek out
unearned recognition.

Ya, lot's of pain and suffering in this world, learn to correct
what you can in our own sphere of influence rather then trying
to change the world seems always to work best.

I still think these icons are great!

tgII you have signs of true progression! And thank you for that too. Just imagine how you wouldn’t be the strong and knowledgeable person you are today if you didn’t go through those things. You are not your dad. Those folks that you and I talk about are the one’s who are really enslaved. You are definitely a person who is able to learn and goes beyond! Folks are here to do that, but not much doing so.
No need to repair yourself, think of those marks as battle marks, for sure wounds that turned you into gold.

Did you say something about laws? Are you thinking what I'm thinking? And it's coincidental you say you don't want to be a springboard, I was going to say the exact same thing about my dragon, jokingly of course.

I agree with both of you about slaves birthing slaves, but it’s not the parents fault, they don’t know better, it’s part of a larger mechanism of evil for sure.

From: Esoteric Online

What Is the Indigo Movement ?



In the New Age Movement, indigo children are children who are believed to represent a higher state of human evolution. The term itself is a reference to the belief that such children have indigo" life colours." Beliefs concerning the exact nature of indigo children vary, with some believing that they have paranormal abilities such as the ability to read minds, and others that they are distinguished from non-indigo children merely by more conventional traits such as increased empathy and creativity.

The term indigo children originates from the 1986 book Understanding Your Life Through Colour by Nancy Ann Tappe, who stated she was a synesthete and could see "auras" around people. She wrote that during the mid 1960s she began noticing that many children were being born with indigo life colours. She then went on to explain how these "life colours" or "Auras" show that Indigo Children are getting more in number.

The idea of indigo children was later popularized by the 1998 book The Indigo Children by the husband-and-wife team of Lee Caroll and Jan Tober.

At this point we would like to mention that recently Nancy Ann Tappe has retracted her claims, and along with Lee Caroll and Jan Tober she has backed away from the Indigo movement.

Followers of the Indigo belief system believe that Indigo children have psychic ability and are more highly evolved than other children. There is a call from many to have special schools for "Indigo Children" to make sure they are educated amongst their own and outside an education system that in their opinion does not allow from the Indigo Child's specail abilities and needs. They also suggest that if a special school is not possible these children should be taught at home. It is also suggested by many believers that they should not associate with non-indigo children

In addition this movement suggests that children who have been diagnosed with ADHD, ADD and Autism have actually been misdiagnosed. They state that they are actually Indigo Children who have been given these "labels" simply due to a lack of understanding by professionals. They encourage parents of such children to fight against this by turning down medication for their children, or any therapies suggested, or any special education. Basically they suggest that there is no such thing as ADHD/ADD/Autism and parents should simply let their "Indigo" child develop in their own way.

The movement also dismisses Mental Health problems. As well as children, adults are targeted on this issue. We have Indigo Children, Crystal Adults, Star Children. but basically it all revolves around the same idea of people born with an "Indigo" aura around them. Both with children and adults the movement suggests that people with many mental health issues (especially Bi-Polar) are actually Indigo and should not enter into any form of treatment be it medication or any other therapy.

So how do people get involved in this ?

Very simply someone tells a parent their child is Indigo and many parents start to look into it and believe it. It is really as simple as that. We have spoken to people who got involved in the movement in just that way. Of course children brought up being told they are Indigo's pass it on to their children and so it continues. It appears that people with Autistic children and children with ADHD are sought out much of the time but anybody can be approached. Of course once you have people who believe it becomes easy as "The Word" spreads. Adults of course are also targeted. There are numerous sites online where you can take the "Indigo Test" that shows whether you are an Indigo or not. One of these tests has been put on this web-page. You will probably realise, as we did, that the vast majority of the population would indeed be Indigo if this test was to be believed. And many do believe, and go on to search out Indigo sites and groups. Again, once some people believe the word gets passed on and the movement grows.

Interestingly very many of the adults we have come across who have joined this movement have previously been diagnosed with various mental health problems. They described "finding out they were Indigo" as a huge relief, realising that in fact they were simply misdiagnosed and not around people that understood them. They have thrown away their medication and appointments with their Mental Health Teams and are happier now because they are "amongst their own".



There is much more to this movement but in this article we have put the information that relates primarily to our concerns about what the movement states in terms of the psychological and physical health of children and adults. There are numerous sites on the internet that will tell you more, however it is worth noting that many sites will tell you different things even though all might be written by followers of the Indigo movement. There seems to be much contradiction and disagreement within the movement itself. However, the issues with which we concern ourselves run pretty much through the movement as a whole.

awww what a cute little boy Yea, I agree.

The article made me think of all the kids growing up in the 1990's on Ritalin.

Yeah TG, props on that. I had no idea that life was rough like that for you as you described. I remember you saying once on tsarions forum that we shouldnt get too touchy feely, and somebody else who i dont want to mention cause im not on good terms with that person, said you were being too sterile. as an observer i knew you were compassionate, because you were reaching out to people with the facts or with the advice all the time, but you didnt tell us who you were. i personally could never tell what would be of any help or use to you because i had no understanding of who you were, however i did figure as much to know RIGHT AWAY that you myself, iceman and the others were not pedophiles or rapists just because we asked or wanted to explore the criminal mind or the philosophy behind something.


i would think that leaving that forum was an overall positive experience. it did leave a bad taste in my mouth pretty much permanently because i learned i cant speak my mind. I was a big reason why he locked that place up again after all the things i posted.

but researching on the side lead me to so many problems the first is that the same subject can have multiple subjects within or surronding it. like for instance ww2. theres the revisionist or deniers side with the codoh forum, and the then theres an esoteric aspect of ww2 dealing with secret societies and the theosophical society etc. when you go to codoh, they dont know a single thing about blavatsky, and when you goto any esoteric researcher, they think the holocaust happened.

the dots have to be connected by me because its so fringe in itself just to be a holocaust denier or be someone who follows that research. theres maybe 50 smart well versed holocaust denier posters at codoh. and i dont know how many dozens of researchers who know ww2 or think they know ww2 from the esoteric side. my friend is probably one of those 50 people at codoh, and if you had holocaust denier questions he could tell you stuff from the top of his head and educate from top to bottom, however he knows nothing about symbolism or even who blavatsky is. knows nothing of freemasonry except that its something that exists for old people, not interested. thinks israel is terrible because they committed a hoax on the world to get sympathy. and thats who he dislikes and things is the most wrong in the world today especially with the treatment of the palestinians. and it wouldnt be wrong to think that, but if you think that because thats all you know then imo thats a problem.

we're so enlightened we can facepalm all we want and be like. BUT THERES SO MUCH TO LEARN GOD GET HIM A TSARION MANUAL ON SYMBOLISM IN THE MEDIA. but in his world even if it does exist, its stupid anyway because religions are stupid and not real. everytime he asks why he should learn what that shit is or was, its been a while since ive asked him to check on this or that, i could never explain why. i cant demonstrate the value. even if i think im clever and i can explain a reason. its like explaining why a hook is good. hooks hang things. but if doesnt want to hang things, then the hook hanging things is meaningless and my reason for him having a hook isnt good enough. i would need to convince him theres value in hanging things before i can convince him of the hook. but if he says no to hanging things. so i would have to go back and maybe say, that having things in the air is a good idea. when stuff is on the ground it gets dirty. but he doesnt care that things are dirty, its just a bit of dust anyway his apartment is clean enough.

you could go on forever finding reasons to justify something just so they can take the hook.

hook? yeah hang things. hang things? yeah in air. air? why not ground? GROUND DIRTY! ground dirty? yes! dirty bad? yes! hook? yes! ok gimmi hook.

if only it was that easy. even if the hook makes the best sense, if he doesnt want to spend the money cause chips are tastey. it doesnt even matter that i had a good reason for the hook. ill now have to simultaneously attack chips and why the hook is a better investment. and this is with someone who was entertaining the idea of having someone explain to him why hooks are needed.

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Continue thru Pt 7 - Critical, Dr. Tom Horn is a former pastor and exorcist

I was able to get two investigators to distance themselves from Tom Horn.

Hahaha, just came across this thread now...interesting utube TG

And No *there is no free lunch in this universe, if you think so you are lunch* is a pretty neat way to put it...

I usually say: *this universe is not a one way road* with which I basically mean to say the same thing.

We know this already in childhood when we become selfconscious beings, inside ourselves we encounter something we call "conscience"
and the inborn wisdom that all human suffering by the hand of other humans is wrong, hence no need to study esoterics for 30 years.

Concerning non-physical entities effecting us in a positive or detrimental way, they have no 'power over us' unless we give our consent to it
which makes us personally reliable to whatever comes from it, and therefor "lunch" to these 'entities',...

The Cherokee Parable:
http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TwoWolves-Cherokee.html

War at the Border

http://usborderguard.com/US_Border_Guard.html






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