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Post  tgII on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 07:11

re: this is how they are going to do it

They are going to shove Islam down out throats until the entire world is engulfed
in violence and backwardness.

My eyes all of a sudden got really open. Question: will Islam be used and
encouraged to depopulate the earth?

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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 08:31

Question: will Islam be used and
encouraged to depopulate the earth?

Interesting link there on the hate speech and Islam TG.


A Russian soldier wielding a Persian sword...and perhaps slicing through the Trade Center...from a mural at the masonic, NWO, swastika-shaped Denver Airport

Islam is the second most widely professed religion in the Russian Federation. Islam is considered as one of Russia’s traditional religions, legally a part of Russian historical heritage. According to a poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 6% of respondents considered themselves Muslims. According to Reuters, Muslim minorities make up a seventh (14%) of Russia's population. Muslims constitute the nationalities in the North Caucasus residing between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea: Adyghe, Balkars, Chechens, Ingush, Kabardin, Karachay, and numerous Dagestani peoples. Also, in the middle of the Volga Basin reside populations of Tatars and Bashkirs, the vast majority of whom are Muslims. There are over 5,000 registered religious Muslim organizations (divided into Sunni, Shia and Sufi groups), which is over one sixth of the number of registered Russian Orthodox religious organizations of about 29,268 (As of December 2006).

The majority of Muslims in Russia adhere to the Sunni branch of Islam. About 5% are Shi'a Muslims. In a few areas, notably Dagestan and Chechnya, there is a tradition of Sunni Sufism, which is represented by Naqshbandi and Shadhili schools, whose spiritual master Shaykh Said Afandi al-Chirkawi receives hundreds of visitor daily.[15] The Azeris have also historically and still currently been nominally followers of Shi'a Islam, as their republic split off from the Soviet Union, significant number of Azeris immigrated to Russia in search of work.

According to the western media, the Orthodox Church of Russia is said to be concerned with the growing estimates that Muslims are poised to become a rapidly growing minority and potentially a majority by the year 2050. While various Muslim sources claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion in Russia and that ethnic Russians are converting to Islam in large numbers. Notable Russian converts to Islam include Vyacheslav Polosin, Vladimir Khodov and Alexander Litvinenko, a defector from Russian intelligence, who converted on his deathbed.

Russian Army will be a majority Muslim Army by 2020

Predicting a Majority-Muslim Russia

by Daniel Pipes
Sat, 6 Aug 2005
updated Tue, 23 Dec 2008

"Russia's Turning Muslim, Says Mufti" is the startling headline in the Times of London today. Ravil Gaynutdin, head of the Council of Muftis of Russia, announced that Russia's population of 144 million contains 23 million ethnic Muslims – and not, as the census indicates, 14.5 million, or, as the Orthodox Church estimates, nearer to 20 million. An estimated 3-4 million Muslims are migrants from former Soviet regions, including 2 million Azeris, 1 million Kazakhs, and several hundred thousand Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyz."

"Goble notes the exponential growth in Islam since the demise of the Soviet Union: Russia had about 300 mosques in 1991 and now there are at least 8,000, about half of which were built with money from abroad, especially from Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia. There were no Islamic religious schools in 1991 and today there are between 50 and 60, teaching as many as 50,000 students. The number of Russians going on the hajj each year, has jumped from 40 in 1991 to 13,500 in 2005. He quotes a Russian commentator predicting that within the next several decades there will be a mosque on Red Square."

"By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia's conscript army, and by 2020 a fifth of the population."
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Post  tgII on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 08:49

re: chills are running down my spine

Qsc, you really got me thinking. Damn, this shit is scary what I'm seeing being
put in place.

"We have the moral obligation to think hard." -- Blaise Pascal

And don't forget the evidence to suggest there was a lot of crossing of the Muslim
Brotherhood in connection to the Nazis during the 1930s re: Islamic fascism.

Al-Qaeda is the product of an Arab fascist group that was set up in the 1920s,
funded by Adolf Hitler, used by the British, French and American Intelligence after
WWII, and later was supported by the Saudis and reactivated by the CIA. It has
been speculated that Yassar Arafat was part of a Nazi cell in Palestine.

Now I know what an abused child must feel like?


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Re: Political News or Comments

Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 08:55

I think the Gulen Movement is being used to balkanize Turkey. The last thing
Israel wants is an Ottoman empire breathing down its neck.

The conversions to Islam might be some under pinnings here to circumvent
"Zionism" although I don't like that term.

Keep your eye on Turkey.
I have been told that within the "spiritual hierarchies" there has been a shift. This is why the Vatican is involved with certain Sufi...to congress with the Jinn. The great evil of the so-called "endtimes" is present and to come out of Istanbul or Ankara. And it is Turkey that will crush Israel.
Just a prediction, but that is what I have been told.
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Re: Political News or Comments

Post  tgII on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 09:36

re: on the spiritual hierarchies

Yes, that is what I have been picking up on as well. Apparently, it has effected a
shift that will take time to materialize beginning with the Vatican.
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Re: Political News or Comments

Post  Sputnik on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 14:00

quicksilvercrescendo wrote:
Question: will Islam be used and
encouraged to depopulate the earth?

Interesting link there on the hate speech and Islam TG.


A Russian soldier wielding a Persian sword...and perhaps slicing through the Trade Center...from a mural at the masonic, NWO, swastika-shaped Denver Airport

Islam is the second most widely professed religion in the Russian Federation. Islam is considered as one of Russia’s traditional religions, legally a part of Russian historical heritage. According to a poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 6% of respondents considered themselves Muslims. According to Reuters, Muslim minorities make up a seventh (14%) of Russia's population. Muslims constitute the nationalities in the North Caucasus residing between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea: Adyghe, Balkars, Chechens, Ingush, Kabardin, Karachay, and numerous Dagestani peoples. Also, in the middle of the Volga Basin reside populations of Tatars and Bashkirs, the vast majority of whom are Muslims. There are over 5,000 registered religious Muslim organizations (divided into Sunni, Shia and Sufi groups), which is over one sixth of the number of registered Russian Orthodox religious organizations of about 29,268 (As of December 2006).

The majority of Muslims in Russia adhere to the Sunni branch of Islam. About 5% are Shi'a Muslims. In a few areas, notably Dagestan and Chechnya, there is a tradition of Sunni Sufism, which is represented by Naqshbandi and Shadhili schools, whose spiritual master Shaykh Said Afandi al-Chirkawi receives hundreds of visitor daily.[15] The Azeris have also historically and still currently been nominally followers of Shi'a Islam, as their republic split off from the Soviet Union, significant number of Azeris immigrated to Russia in search of work.

According to the western media, the Orthodox Church of Russia is said to be concerned with the growing estimates that Muslims are poised to become a rapidly growing minority and potentially a majority by the year 2050. While various Muslim sources claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion in Russia and that ethnic Russians are converting to Islam in large numbers. Notable Russian converts to Islam include Vyacheslav Polosin, Vladimir Khodov and Alexander Litvinenko, a defector from Russian intelligence, who converted on his deathbed.

Russian Army will be a majority Muslim Army by 2020

Predicting a Majority-Muslim Russia

by Daniel Pipes
Sat, 6 Aug 2005
updated Tue, 23 Dec 2008

"Russia's Turning Muslim, Says Mufti" is the startling headline in the Times of London today. Ravil Gaynutdin, head of the Council of Muftis of Russia, announced that Russia's population of 144 million contains 23 million ethnic Muslims – and not, as the census indicates, 14.5 million, or, as the Orthodox Church estimates, nearer to 20 million. An estimated 3-4 million Muslims are migrants from former Soviet regions, including 2 million Azeris, 1 million Kazakhs, and several hundred thousand Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyz."

"Goble notes the exponential growth in Islam since the demise of the Soviet Union: Russia had about 300 mosques in 1991 and now there are at least 8,000, about half of which were built with money from abroad, especially from Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia. There were no Islamic religious schools in 1991 and today there are between 50 and 60, teaching as many as 50,000 students. The number of Russians going on the hajj each year, has jumped from 40 in 1991 to 13,500 in 2005. He quotes a Russian commentator predicting that within the next several decades there will be a mosque on Red Square."

"By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia's conscript army, and by 2020 a fifth of the population."

That's a NAZI Soldier and not a Russian. Even today the German Police wears the 100% identical hat.
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Post  Sputnik on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 14:39


LET'S TELL IT LIKE IT IS, SHALL WE.....

The society of Jesus is the origin of the NWO agenda. The proponents of the Jesuit supremacy idea claim that the Jesuits are the creators of the structures of the Illuminati and Zionism because: there is no 'ZIONIST MOVEMENT' that predates the establishment of the Jesuit Order. That is certainly not true to anyone informed on the topic of the ancient roots of modern Elite. These people fail to mention very important details.

The LOS ALUMBRADOS [the term means 'the Illuminated'] were persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition because it was formed by Jews [Crypto Jews] who hid their own believes & agendas behind other religions. They fail to mention that Ignatuis de Loyola was investigated by the Church on accounts of his connections to the Alumbrados [The Illuminated]. Just a few years later de Loyola formed the Society of Jesus [please note: he didn't call it the Society of *JESUS CHRIST*] Can you guess who gave the orders to de Loyola? Where do you think the luciferian core of the Jesuit Doctrine came from?

How can anyone claim that there was no 'Zionist movement' before the Jesuit Order when it is staring right in your face? It is quite obvious that the Jesuit Order was created as a front for the Alumbrados in order to penetrate and fight against the Catholic church and the Christian Relgion itself. No wonder then that there was an attempt to disband the Jesuit Order by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, but it was too late and by 1777 the infiltration of the Alumbrados [ILLUMINATI] into the Catholic church was basically successful. The Jesuits could not be abolished and were only supressed for a while in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal, but not in Prussia and Russia. In just 40 years the Jesuit Order was fully re-established. So how was the ILLUMINATEN ORDER of Adam Weishaupt as a front to something that still existed and wasn't abolished in the first place?

Why would the Jesuits want to create yet another Society [The Illuminaten Order] to hide behind? Maybe because of the fact that the Jesuit Order was already compromised in the eyes of church clerics and the public after they were persecuted by the Inquisition? It's only logical to assume that the Alumbrados who hid themselves behind the Jesuit Order had gained enough power and influence to make another attempt on "comming out of the woodwork" to form the Illuminati.

The ILLUMINATI wanted to step up the pace and be organised within and thru-out public life, that's why Adam Weishaupt, who btw was also a Jesuit! [another smoking-gun connection to the Alumbrados right in your face], formed the socalled Illuminaten Order in 1776. The Bavarian Illuminaten Order still held a huge risk for their agenda though and that's why they operated only a few years in the open. Just long enough to recuit [mostly thru bribes, extortion & blackmail] the top strata of the non-secular Elites. Please take note of how the Illuminati are displayed to the public nowadays, including Dan Brown's work such as "Angels & Demon" and his newest literary atrocity called: Inferno, in which he deviously implies the Illuminati agenda to conduct a 'global holocaust' of sorts to reduce the worldpopulation to a degree by which they feel a better chance of succeeding & any easier "managable" population for the NWO.

The Rose Croix script [pretending to be a "solved" version of the Nostradamus timeline] that I stumbled upon was published in 2003 [and starts World War III "predictions" with 2003] is somewhat helpful as it really just outlined the timeline of the NWO precisely.

But something of tremendious proportion must have happened as 'the script' is not acurately being fullfilled! I can't decipher if the discrepancy of fulfillment started as early as 2007, or as late as in 2010, but fact is that it was thwarted.

The script stated that a new Orthodox Patriarch would be elected in 2012, well that never transpired, instead they have two Roman Popes now residing in the Vatican! 2012 was also the kick-off year in which WWIII was to fully break out with the total destruction of the Arabian Peninsula and huge destructions world wide, including Europe of course.

[Originally, a patriarch was a man who exercised autocratic authority as a pater familias over an extended family, so in light of this we can interpret Putin as the Patriarch of Russia, and the ZIONAZI'S did all they could to prevent the re-election of Vladimir Putin]

The script further stated that Jerusalem would be destroyed in 2013, [it seems they still try to provoke such a scenario via Israel's more then just 'questionable involvement' in the Syrian civil war] but I guess --->Tel Aviv has become a much more likely 'candidate' due to Russia's firm stance against this pathetic cabal.

The script makes mention of a 'muslime leader' becoming the 'centre of international attention in 2011' residing "near the Golan heights", I guess this passage was dedicated to Assad, though maybe not "personally"...rather to whomever rules over this region/Syria.

The script further stated that at the hight of WW III Jerusalem would be destroyed in 2013 as the final "highlight" of the event. -- but as things have NOT unfolded accordingly: see my previous comment!

For the year 2014 the script describes the effects of [the 'great war' that has (thank goodness!) not taken place (yet)] including the widespread use of chemical weapons used [not just in the Middle East] and a faked "cease fire" brokered by Israel, which would be followed by a Israeli retaliation crusade [I know it all sounds too weird, just bear with me for now]..and the capture of an important Muslime Leader [pick one yerselves] signifying the 'end-phase' of the [out of the Middle East] World War III scenario.

For 2015 the script talks much about the terrible effects the war has caused in Europe..which is total devastation and poisoned land/water etc., but the Islamic countries are described as the main victims though.

2016 talks about the consequences of a highly depopulated France due to the 2012 World War. Also it's to signify the year in which the NWO would be "officially" ushered in [if I am not mistaken] with the first Olympic Games after the Greatest World War of all times..[Yey! let's have a party then - they really suck that bad!].

2017 - french will become "official language" of the Qu'ran..and Rome/Italy is now under muslime rule as a direct consequence of WW III

2018 -- more about the aftermath and DNA defects...

2019 - five years after the end of WW III a huge 'persecution wave' initiated out of Israel rages against Muslimes as they are to be blamed solemnly for causing WW III in which "uncountable numbers" of Muslimes are being slaughtered..

2020 - which spreads to a Christian led "Anti Muslime Retaliation Purge" murdering Muslimes world-wide coordinated by Jesuits.

Okay this script goes all the way to the year 2052, but I don't want to bore the living shit out of you folks..all I wanted to show you is: that this script was published in 2003 and that it described world events quite acurately -- until 2007/2010, when their shit didn't work out as scripted...and WWIII did not take place in 2012. And believe me, the Rose Croix doesn't publish 'Almanachs' unless they are certain they can 'pull it off'..they still thought so back in 2003.

This doesn't mean that the "Alumbrados Illuminati Jesuit Zionist Rose Croix Freemason Zombie NWO Brigade" or "THE OCTOPUS" just gave up..it means they are even more desperate then ever..now that their house of cards is crumbling -- only time will tell -- and in closing - let me clarify that I truly DON'T think this "Freemasonic/Rosecrucian-World-Destiny-Almanach based on Nostradamus" is a product of some kind of 'superior prophetic' ability by that first Black Pope Nostradamus as rhas been evealed by the Vatican II criminal devil's in their recent publishing activities...But it is indeed a typical "predicted programming" manual designed [in the atypical fashion of the Jesuits] for their little lapdog Rosecrucian/Freemason 'club members' and sold publically under the cover of "Nostradamus the french countrydoctor turned Prophet" LMAO!

And then we have the "lost book of Nostradamus" reappear magically in 1994.

---> The same year in which the "The Knights of Malta" hold Permanent Observer status at the United Nations and issues "passports" to its diplomats for diplomatic business even though it does not meet the criteria for being an independent country. It lacks territory, a permanent population, police power, and has no economy, it's a religious organization!

Buried away for centuries, most likely by Pope Urban VIII, the book was re-discovered in 1994, by an Italian journalist, Enza Massa Roberto Pinotti in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma (Central National Library) in Rome, Italy. The Vaticinia Michaelis Nostradami de Futuri Christi Vicarii ad Cesarem Filium (prophecies of Michel Nostradamus on the Future Vicars of Christ (Popes) to Cesar his son), in short, Vaticinia Nostradami, (Prophesies of Nostradamus) is a collection of eighty watercolor images compiled as an illustrated codex.

This picture was published [1994] by [the Jesuits in the] Vatican of their most venerated "soothsaying Prophet"..Nostradamus depicting him as *Black Pope* throwing the Cornuti handsignal and Jesuit Insignia of the plagiarised egypto-trinity-style shepards staff next to the sun.



Jesuit insignia, a perfectly visible match to the Vatican picture of Nostradamus as the symbolism is identical.



Between 1555 and 1931 the Society Of Jesus (the Jesuits) was expelled from more than 83 countries for engaging in political intrigue and subversive plots against the welfare of the State. Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection.

Have you noticed something?

1555 is the publishing date of "Les Propheties de M. Michel Nostradamus".

The Jesuits can't help it but must conceal the fact just a little bit - that none other than Nostradamus was the first JESUIT GENERAL, the socalled "BLACK POPE" of Rome.

The Royal Stuart and Merovingian group (the Hibernians) joined in social engineering efforts (like the creation of the Grail fiction) with the likes of Bernard of Clairvaux and the Borgias/De Medicis in the founding of the Jesuits by the "Alumbrados". [more on the Alumbrados later] The Hibernian Nostradamus was involved with the Borgias/De Medicis in the founding of the Jesuits. Their game is called "play both ends against the middle".

The entities occupying the Vatican are neither Catholic nor Christian -- they are all Jesuits [Alumbrados/Illuminati/Freemasons] and they are all = Luziferian .. ergo: Demon Worshippers!




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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Mon 10 Jun 2013, 22:44

That's a NAZI Soldier and not a Russian. Even today the German Police wears the 100% identical hat.

Those Nazi soldiers back then sure were vicious and deadly with their AK47s and thirty round banana clips.

And I can't be bothered to post the several Russian military hats.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 00:58

AlJazeera America en route
Al Jazeera management orders Joseph Massad article pulled in act of pro-Israel censorship
In an unprecedented act of political censorship Al Jazeera English has deleted an article by noted Columbia University Professor Joseph Massad after coming under intense criticism from Zionists in recent days.
Massad told The Electronic Intifada that he had “received confirmation” from his editor at Al Jazeera English that “management pulled the article.” The Electronic Intifada was able to independently confirm that the article was pulled.
The piece, “The Last of the Semites,” published on 14 May, was taken down from the main Al Jazeera English site Sunday morning

This article can be seen at the link below and is very interesting reading ,with various revelations , some i was aware of others new to me , dont know how long it will be online so grab it now anyone interested

THE LAST OF THE SEMITES

oohh aaahh its actually all opver the web again
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/2013521184814703958.html
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 09:45

Israel is not only one of the world’s most negatively viewed countries, but its reputation is deteriorating, according to the BBC World Service’s latest global survey.

The US is now the only Western country that holds favorable views of Israel and in some European countries, including Germany, positive views of Israel are in the single digits.

The 2013 Country Ratings Poll, conducted by GlobeScan/PIPA for the BBC among 26,299 people around the world between December 2012 and April 2013 found that:

Iran is once again the most negatively viewed country, with negative ratings climbing four points to 59%. Most people also give negative ratings to Pakistan (56%, up five points), North Korea (55%, up three points) and Israel (52%, up one point).

The persistent association of Israel with the world’s most negatively viewed countries will come as a disappointment to Israeli government and other hasbara officials who have invested millions of dollars in recent years to greenwash and pinkwash Israel as an enlightened, democratic and technological “Western” country.

US is only western country with favorable views of Israel

And the news only gets worse. Here are some of the highlights from the BBC poll:

On average, in the 22 tracking countries surveyed both in 2012 and 2013, 52 percent of respondents had negative views of Israel’s influence in the world, an increase of two points from last year.

Out of the 25 countries polled in 2013, 20 lean negative, three lean positive, and two are divided.

The United States is the only Western country surveyed holding favorable views of Israel, and the only country in the survey with a majority of positive ratings (51 percent, stable).

Views of Israel in Canada and in Australia remain entrenched in negative territory with respectively 57 and 69 percent of unfavourable views.

In the EU countries surveyed, views of Israeli influence are all strongly negative and have either hardened further or remained stable.

The United Kingdom is the most unfavorable country towards Israel in the EU with 72 percent of Britons holding negative ratings.

The UK is followed by Spain (70% negative) where views have deteriorated due to a loss of positive ratings, now at just 4 percent (down from 12 perent).

Positive views have dropped eight points in Germany over the past year, down to 8 percent in 2013 while negative inclinations have remained stable at 67 percent.

In France, the picture is stable with 21 percent giving positive views (vs 63 percent negative) France is the EU country with the highest proportion of favorable ratings.

Newly asked countries Poland and Greece have negative pluralities of 44 and 46 percent respectively, while just 15 percent lean positively towards Israel in both countries.
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Post  Sputnik on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 10:49

quicksilvercrescendo wrote:
That's a NAZI Soldier and not a Russian. Even today the German Police wears the 100% identical hat.

Those Nazi soldiers back then sure were vicious and deadly with their AK47s and thirty round banana clips.

And I can't be bothered to post the several Russian military hats.

Stop Forum Rape!!!

Oh really your sure that's a Kalaschnikov ?

To me it looks rather like the GERMAN HECKLER & KOCH!

and yes they also come with Bayonets too.

http://www.filmwaffen.de/waffenkatalog/images/medium/mp5_a4%5B1%5D.jpg

And from your "RESPONSE" to my very ACURATE and most REAVEALING post I take it as a CONFIRMATION

just stop raping the Forum with your selling of "opinions as facts" Cool

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Post  Sputnik on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 11:10

How about commenting on my rather extensive reply to your opinion concerning this topic QSC?

Does your 'silence' indicate that the information presented to you here is indeed correct and based on proovable facts [very unlike your "suggestions"], and aren't your thereby indirectly admitting that you [get mad whenever you] can't refute facts contrary to your "choosen worldview" ?


Sputnik wrote:
LET'S TELL IT LIKE IT IS, SHALL WE.....

The society of Jesus is the origin of the NWO agenda. The proponents of the Jesuit supremacy idea claim that the Jesuits are the creators of the structures of the Illuminati and Zionism because: there is no 'ZIONIST MOVEMENT' that predates the establishment of the Jesuit Order. That is certainly not true to anyone informed on the topic of the ancient roots of modern Elite. These people fail to mention very important details.

The LOS ALUMBRADOS [the term means 'the Illuminated'] were persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition because it was formed by Jews [Crypto Jews] who hid their own believes & agendas behind other religions. They fail to mention that Ignatuis de Loyola was investigated by the Church on accounts of his connections to the Alumbrados [The Illuminated]. Just a few years later de Loyola formed the Society of Jesus [please note: he didn't call it the Society of *JESUS CHRIST*] Can you guess who gave the orders to de Loyola? Where do you think the luciferian core of the Jesuit Doctrine came from?

How can anyone claim that there was no 'Zionist movement' before the Jesuit Order when it is staring right in your face? It is quite obvious that the Jesuit Order was created as a front for the Alumbrados in order to penetrate and fight against the Catholic church and the Christian Relgion itself. No wonder then that there was an attempt to disband the Jesuit Order by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, but it was too late and by 1777 the infiltration of the Alumbrados [ILLUMINATI] into the Catholic church was basically successful. The Jesuits could not be abolished and were only supressed for a while in Spain, Italy, France and Portugal, but not in Prussia and Russia. In just 40 years the Jesuit Order was fully re-established. So how was the ILLUMINATEN ORDER of Adam Weishaupt as a front to something that still existed and wasn't abolished in the first place?

Why would the Jesuits want to create yet another Society [The Illuminaten Order] to hide behind? Maybe because of the fact that the Jesuit Order was already compromised in the eyes of church clerics and the public after they were persecuted by the Inquisition? It's only logical to assume that the Alumbrados who hid themselves behind the Jesuit Order had gained enough power and influence to make another attempt on "comming out of the woodwork" to form the Illuminati.

The ILLUMINATI wanted to step up the pace and be organised within and thru-out public life, that's why Adam Weishaupt, who btw was also a Jesuit! [another smoking-gun connection to the Alumbrados right in your face], formed the socalled Illuminaten Order in 1776. The Bavarian Illuminaten Order still held a huge risk for their agenda though and that's why they operated only a few years in the open. Just long enough to recuit [mostly thru bribes, extortion & blackmail] the top strata of the non-secular Elites. Please take note of how the Illuminati are displayed to the public nowadays, including Dan Brown's work such as "Angels & Demon" and his newest literary atrocity called: Inferno, in which he deviously implies the Illuminati agenda to conduct a 'global holocaust' of sorts to reduce the worldpopulation to a degree by which they feel a better chance of succeeding & any easier "managable" population for the NWO.

The Rose Croix script [pretending to be a "solved" version of the Nostradamus timeline] that I stumbled upon was published in 2003 [and starts World War III "predictions" with 2003] is somewhat helpful as it really just outlined the timeline of the NWO precisely.

But something of tremendious proportion must have happened as 'the script' is not acurately being fullfilled! I can't decipher if the discrepancy of fulfillment started as early as 2007, or as late as in 2010, but fact is that it was thwarted.

The script stated that a new Orthodox Patriarch would be elected in 2012, well that never transpired, instead they have two Roman Popes now residing in the Vatican! 2012 was also the kick-off year in which WWIII was to fully break out with the total destruction of the Arabian Peninsula and huge destructions world wide, including Europe of course.

[Originally, a patriarch was a man who exercised autocratic authority as a pater familias over an extended family, so in light of this we can interpret Putin as the Patriarch of Russia, and the ZIONAZI'S did all they could to prevent the re-election of Vladimir Putin]

The script further stated that Jerusalem would be destroyed in 2013, [it seems they still try to provoke such a scenario via Israel's more then just 'questionable involvement' in the Syrian civil war] but I guess --->Tel Aviv has become a much more likely 'candidate' due to Russia's firm stance against this pathetic cabal.

The script makes mention of a 'muslime leader' becoming the 'centre of international attention in 2011' residing "near the Golan heights", I guess this passage was dedicated to Assad, though maybe not "personally"...rather to whomever rules over this region/Syria.

The script further stated that at the hight of WW III Jerusalem would be destroyed in 2013 as the final "highlight" of the event. -- but as things have NOT unfolded accordingly: see my previous comment!

For the year 2014 the script describes the effects of [the 'great war' that has (thank goodness!) not taken place (yet)] including the widespread use of chemical weapons used [not just in the Middle East] and a faked "cease fire" brokered by Israel, which would be followed by a Israeli retaliation crusade [I know it all sounds too weird, just bear with me for now]..and the capture of an important Muslime Leader [pick one yerselves] signifying the 'end-phase' of the [out of the Middle East] World War III scenario.

For 2015 the script talks much about the terrible effects the war has caused in Europe..which is total devastation and poisoned land/water etc., but the Islamic countries are described as the main victims though.

2016 talks about the consequences of a highly depopulated France due to the 2012 World War. Also it's to signify the year in which the NWO would be "officially" ushered in [if I am not mistaken] with the first Olympic Games after the Greatest World War of all times..[Yey! let's have a party then - they really suck that bad!].

2017 - french will become "official language" of the Qu'ran..and Rome/Italy is now under muslime rule as a direct consequence of WW III

2018 -- more about the aftermath and DNA defects...

2019 - five years after the end of WW III a huge 'persecution wave' initiated out of Israel rages against Muslimes as they are to be blamed solemnly for causing WW III in which "uncountable numbers" of Muslimes are being slaughtered..

2020 - which spreads to a Christian led "Anti Muslime Retaliation Purge" murdering Muslimes world-wide coordinated by Jesuits.

Okay this script goes all the way to the year 2052, but I don't want to bore the living shit out of you folks..all I wanted to show you is: that this script was published in 2003 and that it described world events quite acurately -- until 2007/2010, when their shit didn't work out as scripted...and WWIII did not take place in 2012. And believe me, the Rose Croix doesn't publish 'Almanachs' unless they are certain they can 'pull it off'..they still thought so back in 2003.

This doesn't mean that the "Alumbrados Illuminati Jesuit Zionist Rose Croix Freemason Zombie NWO Brigade" or "THE OCTOPUS" just gave up..it means they are even more desperate then ever..now that their house of cards is crumbling -- only time will tell -- and in closing - let me clarify that I truly DON'T think this "Freemasonic/Rosecrucian-World-Destiny-Almanach based on Nostradamus" is a product of some kind of 'superior prophetic' ability by that first Black Pope Nostradamus as rhas been evealed by the Vatican II criminal devil's in their recent publishing activities...But it is indeed a typical "predicted programming" manual designed [in the atypical fashion of the Jesuits] for their little lapdog Rosecrucian/Freemason 'club members' and sold publically under the cover of "Nostradamus the french countrydoctor turned Prophet" LMAO!

And then we have the "lost book of Nostradamus" reappear magically in 1994.

---> The same year in which the "The Knights of Malta" hold Permanent Observer status at the United Nations and issues "passports" to its diplomats for diplomatic business even though it does not meet the criteria for being an independent country. It lacks territory, a permanent population, police power, and has no economy, it's a religious organization!

Buried away for centuries, most likely by Pope Urban VIII, the book was re-discovered in 1994, by an Italian journalist, Enza Massa Roberto Pinotti in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma (Central National Library) in Rome, Italy. The Vaticinia Michaelis Nostradami de Futuri Christi Vicarii ad Cesarem Filium (prophecies of Michel Nostradamus on the Future Vicars of Christ (Popes) to Cesar his son), in short, Vaticinia Nostradami, (Prophesies of Nostradamus) is a collection of eighty watercolor images compiled as an illustrated codex.

This picture was published [1994] by [the Jesuits in the] Vatican of their most venerated "soothsaying Prophet"..Nostradamus depicting him as *Black Pope* throwing the Cornuti handsignal and Jesuit Insignia of the plagiarised egypto-trinity-style shepards staff next to the sun.



Jesuit insignia, a perfectly visible match to the Vatican picture of Nostradamus as the symbolism is identical.



Between 1555 and 1931 the Society Of Jesus (the Jesuits) was expelled from more than 83 countries for engaging in political intrigue and subversive plots against the welfare of the State. Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection.

Have you noticed something?

1555 is the publishing date of "Les Propheties de M. Michel Nostradamus".

The Jesuits can't help it but must conceal the fact just a little bit - that none other than Nostradamus was the first JESUIT GENERAL, the socalled "BLACK POPE" of Rome.

The Royal Stuart and Merovingian group (the Hibernians) joined in social engineering efforts (like the creation of the Grail fiction) with the likes of Bernard of Clairvaux and the Borgias/De Medicis in the founding of the Jesuits by the "Alumbrados". [more on the Alumbrados later] The Hibernian Nostradamus was involved with the Borgias/De Medicis in the founding of the Jesuits. Their game is called "play both ends against the middle".

The entities occupying the Vatican are neither Catholic nor Christian -- they are all Jesuits [Alumbrados/Illuminati/Freemasons] and they are all = Luziferian .. ergo: Demon Worshippers!


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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 14:09

My post concerning the Denver Airport Mural stormtrooper as a Russian is an interpretation.
That is what is done with art.
Particularly art with such secret society and even Biblical end times symbolism embedded within the many murals.
My interpretation is not alone in regards to this representing a Russian military soldier.
There are researchers and websites which have taken the time to go further in-depth and they conclude that it is a Russian soldier based upon the related context of other symbols in the picture and its relationship with the story depicted in other murals. I was just repeating that more detailed interpretation as one that I currently agree with.

Seeing how you initiated and created the controversy over the interpretation, then the burden is on you to convince without any doubt that the depiction is not a Russian, but a Nazi soldier.
You chose a hat as definitive to your argument.
That proves nothing as Russians have similar hats.
Thus your one stated piece of proof regarding your point is not proof.
I interpret an AK47 which you interpret an HK. But you prove nothing other than that is what you see and is your interpretation.
But in your creating controversy, you have yet to prove that it is undoubtedly a Nazi soldier.
That burden falls on you.
Particularly because you never asked of me all the reasons why that soldier may be interpreted as a Russian. You never asked of me any or all the reasons why my interpretation was of a Russian soldier.
You have not proven it is a Nazi hat or gun sufficiently, nor have you disproven all the other reason why the Russian soldier interpretation exists beyond the contents of my post.
But that is just...your way of doing things as it has been consistently over time.
No one here has forgotten anything about you or your...tendencies.

And from your "RESPONSE" to my very ACURATE and most REAVEALING post I take it as a CONFIRMATION
just stop raping the Forum with your selling of "opinions as facts"

How about commenting on my rather extensive reply to your opinion concerning this topic QSC?

Does your 'silence' indicate that the information presented to you here is indeed correct and based on proovable facts [very unlike your "suggestions"], and aren't your thereby indirectly admitting that you [get mad whenever you] can't refute facts contrary to your "choosen worldview" ?

Another empty, damning, pseudo-charge.
The reason why you never received a response from me concerning your, highly self-praised, post is because I had absolutely no idea or indication that it was directed toward me at all. But that it was a general information post to the forum. Nowhere in the post does it indicate in any way that I am its recipient, that it is a response to my post, or that a response from me is expected or required regarding its accuracy. I suggest you look at your post in question to accurately determine that what I am claiming is honest and true in this regard.

So now your charge that you have "affected" me in such a way to "silence" me from responding and that is some type of confirmation for you...is just utterly and pathetically false.
I simply thought you were posting something on the Jesuits for all to see. Simply that.
Try not to give yourself so much credit when it isn't due and attempt to damn me in the process.
It is most..."unbecoming".

And as far as your charge as selling my "opinion as facts", I really don't know specifically in what instance you consider I have sold my opinion as a fact.

and aren't your thereby indirectly admitting that you [get mad whenever you] can't refute facts contrary to your "choosen worldview" ?
False. No anger or madness on my part. The only one here getting mad or angry is yourself. As you admitted that in your previous post and apologized for it. As far as your fact opposing my world view, I really don't have a clue as to what you are referring to here and would need something specific in this regard.

yes okay I was getting a bit angry, there is no need for this as you said. - Sputnik

Why must you attempt to lump me in with your own self-admitted...emotional attachment and "instability" regarding the act of forum posting? I never am angry or mad in emotion regarding this forum, rather I find your persistence in discombobulated methods to be a slight sexual turn-on and almost guarantees me at least half a woody when you start up like you do.
I am sure if we were to have met in person we would find each other extremely sexually charged toward one another and my sensual touches and fleshy prong would eventually have to stroke you into a relaxed, overriding pleasure dominating every cell of your being...as you lie quivering in ecstatic delight and ardour. From there we would find mutual agreement in ecstasy...that is if you are even capable of holding up your part in the exchange or in experiencing such pleasure.

But listen honey muffin, I have re-read your post on the Jesuits.
You seem to indicate that there is to be something found within in it contrary to something I have stated, unless I am mistaken.
Should that be the case please indicate which portions of your post have that intent and purpose.
Should you want my opinion in the future, then just ask, nicely...and maybe with a little bit of nipple showing to motivate my solicitation in your endeavors.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Tue 11 Jun 2013, 22:30

Main Core: A List Of Millions Of Americans That Will Be Subject To Detention During Martial Law

Are you on the list? Are you one of the millions of Americans that have been designated a threat to national security by the U.S. government? Will you be subject to detention when martial law is imposed during a major national emergency? As you will see below, there is actually a list that contains the names of at least 8 million Americans known as Main Core that the U.S. intelligence community has been compiling since the 1980s.

A recent article on Washington’s Blog quoted a couple of old magazine articles that mentioned this program, and I was intrigued because I didn’t know what it was. So I decided to look into Main Core, and what I found out was absolutely stunning – especially in light of what Edward Snowden has just revealed to the world. It turns out that the U.S. government is not just gathering information on all of us. The truth is that the U.S. government has used this information to create a list of threats to national security that the government would potentially watch, question or even detain during a national crisis. If you have ever been publicly critical of the government, there is a very good chance that you are on that list.

The following is how Wikipedia describes Main Core…

Main Core is the code name of a database maintained since the 1980s by the federal government of the United States. Main Core contains personal and financial data of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security. The data, which comes from the NSA, FBI, CIA, and other sources, is collected and stored without warrants or court orders. The database’s name derives from the fact that it contains “copies of the ‘main core’ or essence of each item of intelligence information on Americans produced by the FBI and the other agencies of the U.S. intelligence community.”

It was Christopher Ketchum of Radar Magazine that first reported on the existence of Main Core. At the time, the shocking information that he revealed did not get that much attention. That is quite a shame, because it should have sent shockwaves across the nation…

According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, “There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.” He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.

Of course, federal law is somewhat vague as to what might constitute a “national emergency.” Executive orders issued over the last three decades define it as a “natural disaster, military attack, [or] technological or other emergency,” while Department of Defense documents include eventualities like “riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, [and] disorder prejudicial to public law and order.” According to one news report, even “national opposition to U.S. military invasion abroad” could be a trigger.

So if that list contained 8 million names all the way back in 2008, how big might it be today?

That is a very frightening thing to think about.

Later on in 2008, Tim Shorrock of Salon.com also reported on Main Core…

Dating back to the 1980s and known to government insiders as “Main Core,” the database reportedly collects and stores — without warrants or court orders — the names and detailed data of Americans considered to be threats to national security. According to several former U.S. government officials with extensive knowledge of intelligence operations, Main Core in its current incarnation apparently contains a vast amount of personal data on Americans, including NSA intercepts of bank and credit card transactions and the results of surveillance efforts by the FBI, the CIA and other agencies. One former intelligence official described Main Core as “an emergency internal security database system” designed for use by the military in the event of a national catastrophe, a suspension of the Constitution or the imposition of martial law.

So why didn’t this information get more attention at the time?

Well, if Obama had lost the 2008 election it might have. But Obama won in 2008 and the liberal media assumed that he would end many of the abuses that were happening under Bush. Of course that has not happened at all. In fact, Obama has steadily moved the police state agenda ahead aggressively. Edward Snowden has just made that abundantly clear to the entire world.

After 2008, it is unclear exactly what happened to Main Core. Did it expand, change names, merge with other programs or get superseded by a new program? It appears extremely unlikely that it simply faded away. In light of what we have just learned about NSA snooping, someone should ask our politicians some very hard questions about Main Core. According to Christopher Ketchum, the exact kind of NSA snooping that Edward Snowden has just described was being used to feed data into the Main Core database…

A host of publicly disclosed programs, sources say, now supply data to Main Core. Most notable are the NSA domestic surveillance programs, initiated in the wake of 9/11, typically referred to in press reports as “warrantless wiretapping.” In March, a front-page article in the Wall Street Journal shed further light onto the extraordinarily invasive scope of the NSA efforts: According to the Journal, the government can now electronically monitor “huge volumes of records of domestic e-mails and Internet searches, as well as bank transfers, credit card transactions, travel, and telephone records.” Authorities employ “sophisticated software programs” to sift through the data, searching for “suspicious patterns.” In effect, the program is a mass catalog of the private lives of Americans. And it’s notable that the article hints at the possibility of programs like Main Core. “The [NSA] effort also ties into data from an ad-hoc collection of so-called black programs whose existence is undisclosed,” the Journal reported, quoting unnamed officials. “Many of the programs in various agencies began years before the 9/11 attacks but have since been given greater reach.”

The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.

This stuff is absolutely chilling.

And there have been hints that such a list still exists today.

For example, the testimony of an anonymous government insider that was recently posted on shtfplan.com alluded to such a list…

“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

What in the world is happening to America?

What in the world are we turning into?

As I mentioned in a previous article, the NSA gathers 2.1 million gigabytes of data on all of us every single hour. The NSA is currently constructing a 2 billion dollar data center out in Utah to store all of this data.

If you are disturbed by all of this, now is the time to stand up and say something. If this crisis blows over and people forget about all of this stuff again, the Big Brother surveillance grid that is being constructed all around us will just continue to grow and continue to become even more oppressive.

America is dying right in front of your eyes and time is running out. Please stand up and be counted while you still can
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 12 Jun 2013, 09:31

rather I find your persistence in discombobulated methods to be a slight sexual turn-on and almost guarantees me at least half a woody when you start up like you do.
I am sure if we were to have met in person we would find each other extremely sexually charged toward one another and my sensual touches and fleshy prong would eventually have to stroke you into a relaxed, overriding pleasure dominating every cell of your being...as you lie quivering in ecstatic delight and ardour. From there we would find mutual agreement in ecstasy..

this bit cracked me up Very Happy and i can sort of relate to it

but a very enjoyable and infiormative exchange from qsc and sputnik as always Cool
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Wed 12 Jun 2013, 21:12

...it's just like that Flames...as I long for her to despise me.
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Post  tgII on Wed 12 Jun 2013, 23:45

re: the recent revelations on the national security state


It comes down to the NSA and GCHQ in a turf war over intelligence 
collection. Remember Gareth Williams? His murder is related to this 
war between the "American" NSA and the "British" GCHQ.

Flames, how do you like the new formatting on the board? Awesome.

Qsc and Sputnik, can't we all just get along? cheers
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Post  tgII on Thu 13 Jun 2013, 00:00

re: NSA head says that the NSA helped stop "dozens" of attacks

Yeah, right. And we're supposed to simply roll over on our backs and take 
their word for it after years and years of subterfuge and building private 
networks into the American government?

Here are the "dozens" of attacks the NSA stopped...



Absolute moral degenerates running these systems.



As of 2007 there was "no public accountability." Nothing has changed.


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Post  tgII on Thu 13 Jun 2013, 00:04

re: break the PRISM

Please use this search engine and not Google.



Or this one...



or this one...

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Post  tgII on Thu 13 Jun 2013, 00:10

re: Vladimir Putin is trying to isolate the City of London

That is why Russia offered asylum to Ed Snowden.



Think commerce. The East German Stasi.



And this is what I meant by the American NSA and the British GCHQ being at
war with each other.



And Qsc, speaking of "anus", have you ever seen a bigger one in the world?


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Post  tgII on Thu 13 Jun 2013, 00:24

re: good essay on the downside of the surveillance state.

It is crippling creativity and productivity in the economy and sucking billions
of dollars out of the economy that could be more efficiently and productively
used elsewhere.

There is no logic to the surveillance state.



The NSA is a private corporation having been taken over by private interests.


    The National Security Agency (NSA) is a cryptologic intelligence agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the collection and analysis of foreign communications and foreign signals intelligence, as well as protecting U.S. government communications and information systems, which involves information security and cryptanalysis/cryptography.
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Post  tgII on Thu 13 Jun 2013, 22:05

re: gangsters

Gangsters are actually better, Saul Alinsky called Al Capone a "public utility."  
Gangsters are efficient, they provide a service, they are cost savers, they are cost 
effective and they deliver the services and goods on demand.

Al Capone didn't create corruption. He just grew fat off it re: Diane Feinstein.

People you prefer to Flames, like Diane Feinstein are simply whores pimped out 
to the highest corporate bidder. Unlike gangsters, they provide very little of what 
we want or need.

More coming on the NSA "leak." Think Mormons...Mormon mafia...
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