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Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 12 Mar 2010, 19:31

You know these giant windmills they are erecting all over europe , windfields they call them here, huge steel monstrositys that kill any mountain lines natural beauty
Well i have a colleague who took a good look into whats going on with those and he has hit me with some very controversal possibilities, which i must investigate further at an oppurtune moment

He says the speel that is used to sell them to the public is absolute fantasy.

They only produce a proportion of the output that they claim, and often at the wrong toime for high demand, also they are very spiky in their output which means they always require fossil burning generators to back them up which means the fossil burn generator is underperforming from its optimum like a car driving in a city ll the time so burns more energy



The energy required to make these monsters is astounding, a huge amount of steel shipped from far east, a giant turbine from germany, then the work required to get these things online and couple them into the grid is very very considerable not to mention the maintenance required .

The fact is they dont produce that much elec tricity at the required high demand times and their output is very eratic dependent on wind speed.

Coupling them into the grid efficiently takes a lot of high tech monitoring intefaces

There are detailed reports from denmark and other countries showing what a turkey they are turning out to be when all the data is collected and inspected about their creation and performance, not just the optimum performance records that are released to the public

And whom is profiting from these giant wind fields

Need to look further into this for sure. cause these things are popping up everywhere in the uk, wqith asnother 8000 targeted over the next few years , a massive profity for certain manufacturers and installers.
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Post  tgII on Fri 12 Mar 2010, 21:00

Kapis, it's fallout from the Kyoto Accords, when America didn't
sign on it sent London into a rage, the reason why is because
that's where the Carbon Disclosure Project is parked at.

Do a search for 'Carbon Disclosure Project', you will be astounded
as to what is going on here.

Let me summarize it very simply:

Exhale Co2 above your allotment and you will be taxed.

They've been able to successfully intimidate governments into
contracting for and purchasing these huge 'green projects' and
suspect these giant 'windmill' monstrosities are part of this push
for producing less Co2.

The science on global warming has collapsed but this won't
prevent the green agenda and the Co2 cap and trade agenda
from moving forward, there's simply huge amounts of money
involved, contracts for the manufacture and installation of these
windmills are part of that expenditure. Windmills work, provided
of course it's parked out back on your own property and it is of
cheap but efficient construction to generate supplemental
electricity for your own needs.

This goes back to Maurice Strong and Al Gore, did you realize the
UN's Environmental Movement began in Kenya when Maurice Strong
was there in 1952? He either was witness to, participated in,
designed or choreographed Mau Mau initiation rites to the green
agenda, in other words, allegiance to this green ideology. The Mau
Mau initiation ritual includes brutal blood rites including infanticide
to solidify obedience to the cult or tribe.

Don't believe it, do a search for 'Strong Harvard Mau Mau initiation
blood rites', all of Strong's papers are there at Harvard documenting
it all.

Strong and Gore then worked in Chicago and set up the Chicago
Climate Exchange with a guy by the name of Richard Sandor ad
while Obama was a director of the Joyce Foundation, provided
Sandor with a grant of one million dollars to write the rules/algorithms
for the Chicago Climate Exchange in carbon emission trading.

Most governments have been extorted, there is no other way to put
it in forcing them into this green agenda. You have to really step
back from all that is going on here related to global warming, carbon
emissions and environmentalism and ask yourself, just what in the
fuck is going on?
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 28 Dec 2011, 01:25

Its all carboning apart at the seams


Tuesday December 20, 2011
BRUSSELS (AP) -- Europe’s main weapon in the battle against climate change is now fighting for its own survival.

In early January, investors in the continent’s cap-and-trade system still had to pay some 14 euro ($18.30) for the right to emit one ton of carbon dioxide into the air. By last week, the price of one emission allowance had tumbled to a meager 6.41 euro -- making it much cheaper to pollute and slashing the financial incentives for companies to invest in low-carbon technologies.

Analysts warn that the prospect of another recession in the debt-ridden continent, and the accompanying decline in emissions, could push prices below 2 euro by the end of next month.

The troubles in the carbon market, a system being watched closely from California to China, is linked to the struggles of Europe’ other ambitious project, the euro. And just as financial investors have looked to the European Central Bank to save the currency through massive intervention in the bond markets, analysts say the emissions market may need similar centralized help.

Last week, 19 companies, including oil giant Royal Dutch Shell PLC, Philips Electronics NV and supermarket chain Tesco PLC, sent a letter to the European Commission urging it to reduce the number of emission allowances in the system and figure out how to protect the market from future economic shocks. The commission and national governments jointly manage thecap-and-trade system.
Undermining development

"The lower price is really undermining the development of technologies that will be needed in the decades to come," said David Hone, Shell’s climate change adviser.

Shell, which is mostly known for selling oil and gas, has been one of the pioneers of carbon capture and storage, projects in which CO2 emissions are stored underground so they don’t get released into the atmosphere and contribute to global warming. But investing in new technologies like carbon capture and storage only becomes commercially viable at a carbon price of between 25 and 30 euro, Hone said.

"Over the last few months, we have seen some of these projects disappear," he added.

In October, the U.K.government shut down the carbon capture project in Longannet in eastern Scotland in which Shell was one of the partners.

While the prospect of another recession is the main reason for the recent drop in carbon prices, experts say that -- just like with the euro -- serious flaws in the system are exacerbating the problems and could lead to its failure if they can’t be fixed.

The economic crisis has lowered emissions and thus hit the price of carbon allowances. But the drop has been so dramatic because there were too many allowances in the system to begin with.

To get industry and skeptical governments on board, the Commission set a very high cap for emissions when it launched the carbon market in 2005.

Since then, most allowances have been given out for free to the 11,000 power stations and factories covered by the system based on their historical emissions. Companies that emit less carbon dioxide than they are allowed can sell their spare permits to firms that exceed their limit. As of next year, airlines will also be included in the system.

But the big test for Europe’s carbon market -- and whether it can provide the financial incentives for cutting emissions -- will come in 2013, when governments start selling a growing number of allowances at auctions.

It is before then that the Commission has to intervene, say the companies that wrote last week’s letters.

There are signs that their calls are being heard.

On Tuesday, the environment committee of the European Parliament voted to withdraw some 1.4 billion allowances, about 15 percent of the total, from the carbon market between 2013 and 2020. At the same time, the committee said, the annual cap should be cut by 2.25 percent per year, rather than the 1.74 percent currently planned.

While the committee vote is the first step in a long process of changing the system and few industry watchers expect the figures to survive negotiations among EU states trying to protect their national industries, it caused carbon prices to jump more than 18 percent.

"It opens up a much deeper discussion about what does the intervention look like and when is it going to happen," says Sanjeev Kumar, an expert on carbon trading at environmental watchdog E3G in Brussels.

"Without intervention," warned Kumar, "not only the ETS is over, but Europe’s climate policy is over. It will put Europe back into the dark ages."

Apart from failing to encourage the necessary cuts in emissions and technological innovation, the collapse in the carbon price could also worsen Europe’s debt crisis.

Between 2013 and 2020, when companies have to pay for more and more of their allowances, the cap-and-tade system could raise as much as 190 billion euro for governments across the EU if prices recover.

"This is a pretty important revenue stream for most member states," says Rob Elsworth, of climate campaign group Sandbag in London. "And they are watching revenues just disappear."

Experts like Kumar and Elsworth are hopeful that states will garner the political will to save the carbon trading system, which has pioneered the market-based approach to saving the environment.
"If you take away this green-economy narrative," asked Elsworth, "what’s really left of Europe?"
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Post  tgII on Wed 28 Dec 2011, 03:57

    "If you take away this green-economy narrative," asked Elsworth, "what’s really left of Europe?"


Answer: Control freaks with nothing left to control.

The carbon criminal syndicate is sinking beyond the horizon. The
Japanese told 'em to kiss off and several months later? Fukushima.

It's about reducing emissions and they will kill people to reduce emissions
with their green agenda out of Britain.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Thu 08 Mar 2012, 11:39

Please don't laugh , its reality

The UK’s green investment bank, which aims to kickstart investments in low carbon technologies, will be located in both Edinburgh and London, Vince Cable, the business secretary has announced.
The bank’s headquarters will be in the Scottish capital Edinburgh, while its main transaction team will be based in London.
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Post  tgII on Thu 08 Mar 2012, 14:22

Okay, Kapis, I won't laugh now, and I couldn't help notice this:

    The government has pledged £3bn for the bank [Green Investment Bank] initially, which will lend to businesses wanting to invest in renewable energy projects such as wind farms. [Nick Clegg's wife is deeply involved in Spanish companies that manufacturer the wind turbines that Scotland and the British have been purchasing; wind farms: what a blight on humanity]

    Nick Clegg [his wife is Miriam Clegg] has previously said that he hopes the taxpayer will front up to £15bn of lending in the long-term, with Vince Cable's department claiming that up to £200bn [that is an enormous sum of money; what bank/s will hold the bonds on that enormous amount of money; who gets stuck paying off the bonds regardless or not if the damn wind turbines even function?] needs to be spent on green technologies overall by the end of the decade.

    The establishment of the bank comes despite rumblings within the Cabinet - particularly from George Osborne [Osborne, Clegg, Johnson; Cameron are all buddies from Oxford and the Bullingdon Club; who got extorted and is Osborne running opposition to appease the Lords in the House and their plebeian mud hut dwellers exhaling too much Co2] - about how much taxpayer subsidy should be pumped into renewables. The resignation of Chris Huhne [Huhne resigned after allegations of a speeding cover-up; his ex-wife Vicky Pryce is a real piece of work; she was at KPMG involved in abusive tax shelters related to the financial events of 9/11; it is also alleged she is the illegitimate daughter of Prince Philip being born in Greece where Prince Philip was at while in the Royal Navy in 1951; Vicky Price was born in 1952 and Prince Philip himself was born into a Greek Royal family] last month was greeted with dismay by environmentalists, who feared it would lead to the coalition easing back on previous climate change pledges. [they are too committed to 'global warming' and couldn't possibly face defeat and loose face on the complete fabrication and falsity of the science]


Now laugh at this: it was decided to move the Green Investment Bank
to Scotland to resist Scottish independence and breaking away from
London.

Wouldn't it be stunning to find out if the Green Investment Bank is
invested in CAT (catastrophe) bonds?!

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Kapis, stop exhaling! You're beyond your 350PPM cap.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 09 Mar 2012, 01:56

TG, my point of observation over the next couple years is will alec salmond be allowed to live, if scotland looks like it may break off from the uk, or will he suddenly become ill with a mysterious illness , one things for sure, its going to be educational watching how the crown tries to firstly destabilise him with intelligence debate , theres no chance of that, then it will be down to dirty tricks and the unicorn method of their particular expertise, one does not always see that side coming , thats interesting about vicky price , didnt know her history or notice if it was posted before by you
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Post  tgII on Fri 09 Mar 2012, 05:28

Kapis, what do you think is behind Scottish independence, it can't be Alex Salmond himself?



Like Norway, Scotland may be able to move into an escape trajectory from London because
it has its own sources of oil and gas. Right now, Scotland is tethered to London for cash.

This move to green seems to be the nexus holding London's financial death grip together;
once that's broken Scottish independence may become a very real possibility. Although it is
probably several years away at best.

Right now, the government in Scotland is embroiled in a bitter political nightmare in which
highly placed pedophile networks have been exposed.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 10 Mar 2012, 02:49

Salmond says he wants to keep the queen as head of state of an independent Scotland

A great strategist , first independence, then he knows that exit stage left from the royal brood is but a formality Very Happy
Difficult to say if anyones behind him Tg, time will tell of course , but he's definitely the best "political performer / debater" in uk politics by a large margin, the only 2 politicians i have time for are , salmond and putin ...hehe

Yeah that hollie greig affair has no public press at all here , shows that all current media in scotland are sniffling ass puppets of the lowest of order, just like in england

If salmons stays fit and healthy and free of underhand muggings , independence seems a certainty , its written in the stones Cool
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Thu 22 May 2014, 02:47

Marxist Environmentalist Hollywood Money Whores...Busted!!!
The whole environmentalist and green movement is just a money-making propaganda machine...

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 23 May 2014, 22:39

Good one Qsc
There is no moral issue
I always knew that most of those money hungry whores in hollywood and corporate industry had no morals , good to hear it confessed too
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