Re: The WTF is Wrong with People Thread

[KapitanScarlet]

Ive got a better story than these, my own brother whilst stoked up on drink and dope came round a country road corner one evening on the wrong side of the road as i was heading the opposite direction , my snapshot memory was of his laughing face and vague shadowy passengers as his car slashed along the side of mine at about a combined speed of 120mph, as i violently swerved to avoid the head on and ended up against a wall , my car a complete write-off , one female passenger got out of my car in tears and walked away without a word such was the shock , he managed to limp his car (also a write off) to the next hotel bar and when i caught up with him later, he seriously said , Whats the problem bro ? and when i reminded him of his mental loss of car control which almost killed us both , he says , What the hell were you doing on that road , yip i was speechless cause thats the sort of logic i used to encounter back then , backed up with alcohol and dope the guy was a nutcase for a spell, he's more sensible now

[Sputnik]

...do you think your brother is a *nutcase* because of the alcohol and dope, or because of some spell? can't really be both, but I get the gist of your story. that he almost got you killed...now were is your personal karmic relevance in the story?

[KapitanScarlet]

I think alcohol and dope are spells taken voluntarily and have transcendental effects on the psyche and physical behaviour sometimes positive, often negative depending on the quantities taken and state of the hosts psyche whilst taken
The karmic connotations , i could only debate in private

[Flames]

In my opinion, much of human nature could be some sort of staged matrix-like scenario, where shame and guilt could be a code within the process of what we so often refer to as "free will." A complex algorithm, cooked up and predestined, for the sake of experience.

Maybe the answer lies in what quantum states will reveal. I am crawling out on a limb on this one, but this is where my current thinking is wrestling with. How much do we really control, behavior aside, personal experiences to some extent, whether good or bad, seem inevitable, and perhaps predictable, due in part to the specific social space one exists in.

[Sputnik]

I think alcohol and dope are spells taken voluntarily and have transcendental effects on the psyche and physical behaviour sometimes positive, often negative depending on the quantities taken and state of the hosts psyche whilst taken
The karmic connotations , i could only debate in private

...thanks for elaborating about your last post..I wasn't sure if I understood it right...didn't want to sound too inquisitive..

[Flames]

I think alcohol and dope are spells taken voluntarily and have transcendental effects on the psyche and physical behaviour sometimes positive, often negative depending on the quantities taken and state of the hosts psyche whilst taken
The karmic connotations , i could only debate in private

Kapis, I feel that this statement is absolutely accurate, in my opinion.

Human being's obsession with the tinkering of consciousness has always fascinated me, including my own personal "tinkerings." Again, you have articulated something very complex and I can tell you have reasoned with this concept, as I probably have.

Where I stand right now with the idea of mankind's obsession with the tinkering of consciousness is this:

First of all, I believe that nearly all drugs that effect consciousness are some sort of "consciousness amplifiers," and to a lesser extent, non psychoactive materials, such as food for example, "consciousness dampening".

In my opinion, most people are probably lured into these things (I'm not debating whether they're good or bad here) because of the shock that existence even exists. That to most, is probably the most shocking reality of all. Nobody knows the answers to why we exist, and why consciousness even exists.

There are two interesting factors dealing with the psychoactive manipulation of consciousness:

1) Those that are addictive

2) Those that are not addictive

It's a strange fact that the non addictive drugs such as all psychedelics, and marijuana are highly illegal, while some of the most dangerous drugs are actually legal, such as tobacco, and alcohol.

I believe that there is something even more sinister to the criminalization of these non addictive drugs, something more sinister than simply keeping these drugs out of people's hands "for their own good."

If it is true that certain non addictive "consciousness amplifying" drugs bring about some form of spiritual transcendence for the ones taking the drugs, this poses a direct threat to the status consciousness that is programmed by the status quo. This goes completely against collectivist ideology.

What it boils down to, in my opinion, is that the criminalization of non addictive psychoactive "consciousness amplifying" drugs is a technique of social engineering on a mass scale. Just think about it, for a minute.

If one were to have a directly meaningful spiritual experience through one of these drugs, they could easily come to a conclusion that perhaps all of the world's religions are useless. They'd possibly discover that it may be possible to have a direct "relationship" to the "divine" without the "aid" of an interpreting elite, or priesthood.

All kinds of recent scientific papers have been published lately about psilocybin aiding people who suffer from anxiety, depression and trauma. A ruling elite would be powerless with their strategies of "shock and awe" if an enlightened public existed, for they would be more difficult to control with fear. It is fear that opens of the neural gateways of submission.

If a mushroom can do these things, then every single anti depressant on earth would be obsolete. The pharmaceutical companies are probably the second most powerful business on earth, only behind Big Oil. It is the people that are at the top of these corporations that are the new priesthood.

Let's face it, the sorcerers that be do not want a race of humans who are enlightened in any way shape or form, and they have spent centuries, and billions of dollars to keep it this way.

I've kind of pointed at this topic here in the broad sense, I hope to add some thoughts about mankind's tinkering with consciousness in the narrower sense sometime soon. Again, this is just where my thinking is on the topic at this time.

[KapitanScarlet]

very thought stimulating reply flames, i shall certainly return to reply after taking some rest , cheers

[highnoon]

was understood by me that tobacco is 90% tax

and it also ensures that you keep using it.

legalizing marijuana, wouldnt actually be profitable. you know why? how many joints could you fit into a pack of cigarettes? as many as you can cigarettes probably.

difference is you cant smoke as much volume at all as you can tobacco. you'll fall asleep before any of that happens. but cigarettes. they give the addict energy, and can be taken as much as a person wants.


its just not economically feasible. and nobody would buy it either from any government, because the methods of growing pot have been perfected by tens of thousands of grassroots individuals over decades. those people who grow to smoke or grow to smoke and sell, will just keep doing it. also..the current standard is 10 dollars for a gram in small quanities. which is about 3 joints.

if people are buying government weed. blackmarket dealers will just have to give 1.5 grams for 10 dollars, at which point the government offers more. but basically, when the government first introduces pot theoretically. they have to know for sure that its going to sell. so they'll probably change the whole market dynamics by giving 3 grams for 10 dollars. but this price point is silly because thats essently a weeks worth of marijuana for 10 bucks.

it would just put so much pot into peoples hands for almost nothing..that productivity would probably decrease. if people work less hours and less workable hours are worked due to pot, then loss of taxable income probably doesnt outweigh tax collected by selling government pot.

im pro pot, or rather i dont give a shit either way. but i will vouch that pot makes you lazy. its really not something you want to take unless you have nothing to do the rest of the day, and maybe even the next day. smoking at nighttime and falling asleep is like going into a coma that you will eventually come out of.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

Pot does make one lazy because of its long-term effect on blood sugar balancing mechanisms and the adrenal glands.
It is also highly acidic which can promote certain disease processes with long-term use.

If legalized, it would be interesting to see how many would try it and not like it. Or how many would just choose not to use it anymore because they just don't like the way it makes them feel after continued use. I think many people would actually slack off quite a bit and just use it every once in a while rather than be daily smokers. Unrestricted access may be high initially, but may actually level out over time and even have marked decrease in overall consumption.

There are exceptions. As I have known people who were addicted and could not start the day without a bonghit right out of bed and get highly irritable when not high or don't have weed.

I used to smoke a lot of weed. But now with my responsibilities toward my health, work, children and family...I just don't see how I could function, get things done and give my kids the time and attention they deserve by getting high. There just isn't any room for it.

[Sputnik]

Highnoon....you might be misinformed about the lucrative drug trades...

Illegal drugs make 400 BILLION US Dollars each year...this means it's the second largest economy, right after military arms production..

but it is only profitable because drugs are kept ILLEGAL...which means if they weren't, then cocaine would be cheeper then sugar,
and marijuana would cost you as much as a bag of bread rolls..

Get the picture?

The illegality of certain drugs are directly linked to their 'net worth', and make no mistake, Obama is the biggest and baddest DRUG LORD on earth. (fast and furious drama, etc.)

On a related issue...plain farking sugar is killing millions over millions of people each year...
about a few tenth of million times more than all illegal drugs combined.

Sugar Should Be Regulated As Toxin, Researchers Say:
http://www.livescience.com/18244-sugar-toxic-regulations.html

[Blackbird]

Regarding the marijuana, from my own personal experiences it depends on the strain and amount consumed as to whether one is "lazy" or not. I've some experience with the weed. Some strains of a higher potency of thc have an effect of either almost heroin like immobility to a very active motivational effect. Just something I've noticed in my own experiences with pot. My opinion though freely shared is I admit lacking in full introspect. First joint I ever smoked was when I was about 12 yrs old. Didn't really feel much of anything. Second experience not too long after I thought I might leave my body and never be able to return (total freak out floating outside and above my physical body classic OBE). The combination of factors, individual (physicality, spiritual and mentality), environmental and potency (strain) or amount consumed seems to be the differential.

[Flames]

My experience with weed might be different than what is commonly mentioned by other people. My first experience with smoking weed goes back to age 18 or so, when I played American Legion Baseball, traveling all over the midwest. So it was from an athletic context that I experienced weed.

Marijuana was like the perfect motivational substance for me and pretty much my whole team. It put me in a zen state where I could focus more clearly. And Blackbird is absolutely correct about the type of strain, be it, indica or sativas.

I know people who smoke weed and just want to eat ice cream and watch a movie. I've never experienced this sort of reaction to weed. Two years ago (almost to the day, it was actually Feb 2) I got really high, and decided I was going to get on an exercise routine and dedicate to it. I remember that particular high was deeply introspective, and I was more in tune with my body.

So in that respect, I have had almost the exact reaction to what many people experience. Whenever I do decide to smoke some, I have no more than two hits EVER, and that is usually coming from a one hitter. I don't like to go to the moon. Oddly enough, marijuana has a profound anti anxiety effect on me, and I've had several people re confirm this.

It's not very common to find sativas in the midwest, personally I'm not a big weed buff, but I'll have a puff or two maybe three times a year. Personally, I think marijuana is much safer than alcohol. Hell, even Ron Paul said the exact same thing on Tonight Show with Jay Leno recently.

[rainyday]

Marijuana is medicinal and that's just a fact.
Alcohol is also medicinal.
Sugar is necessary.

Everything is regulated. It's total BS. 40,000 new laws passed Jan 2012. Think about it.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

I had my first hit of weed and hash at age 7.
My father grew huge fields of it in south florida swamplands back in the seventies and was a huge supplier-dealer.
After urban sprawl and development hit those areas we grew indoors.
I realize and have experienced the positives of smoking.
But over time my experience and reaction to weed changed dramatically to the point where I prefer to go without it.
Because I eat to maintain an alkaline ph, I can feel how marijuana battles against that and eventually makes my system acidic...as weed is feminine or very yin in its essence.

But I now incorporate hatha yoga and real temple-derived chi and nei gong mediation and breathing exercises into my daily routine, which gives me a natural euphoria while strengthening my adrenal glands.
If the chi gong you practice after three to six months does not give you the euphoria I am speaking about...then they are not the real deal and best to move onto another method until you find one that works.

[Blackbird]

Quicksilvercrescendo, I will teach myself these ways, natural ways without outside influence. I think it is the better way for myself.

[KapitanScarlet]

First of all, I believe that nearly all drugs that effect consciousness are some sort of "consciousness amplifiers," and to a lesser extent, non psychoactive materials, such as food for example, "consciousness dampening".

Good terms Flames, amplifiers and dampeners , also i think "ideas and concepts" have similar affects on peoples consciousness , amplify it , damp it or even paralyse it

In my opinion, most people are probably lured into these things (I'm not debating whether they're good or bad here) because of the shock that existence even exists. That to most, is probably the most shocking reality of all. Nobody knows the answers to why we exist, and why consciousness even exists.

There are two interesting factors dealing with the psychoactive manipulation of consciousness:

1) Those that are addictive

2) Those that are not addictive

It's a strange fact that the non addictive drugs such as all psychedelics, and marijuana are highly illegal, while some of the most dangerous drugs are actually legal, such as tobacco, and alcohol.

I believe that there is something even more sinister to the criminalization of these non addictive drugs, something more sinister than simply keeping these drugs out of people's hands "for their own good."

If it is true that certain non addictive "consciousness amplifying" drugs bring about some form of spiritual transcendence for the ones taking the drugs, this poses a direct threat to the status consciousness that is programmed by the status quo. This goes completely against collectivist ideology.

What it boils down to, in my opinion, is that the criminalization of non addictive psychoactive "consciousness amplifying" drugs is a technique of social engineering on a mass scale. Just think about it, for a minute.

If one were to have a directly meaningful spiritual experience through one of these drugs, they could easily come to a conclusion that perhaps all of the world's religions are useless. They'd possibly discover that it may be possible to have a direct "relationship" to the "divine" without the "aid" of an interpreting elite, or priesthood.

All kinds of recent scientific papers have been published lately about psilocybin aiding people who suffer from anxiety, depression and trauma. A ruling elite would be powerless with their strategies of "shock and awe" if an enlightened public existed, for they would be more difficult to control with fear. It is fear that opens of the neural gateways of submission.

If a mushroom can do these things, then every single anti depressant on earth would be obsolete. The pharmaceutical companies are probably the second most powerful business on earth, only behind Big Oil. It is the people that are at the top of these corporations that are the new priesthood.

Really good points above flames that i kinda see in very similar angles

[Flames]

[quicksilvercrescendo]

...damn...one just doesn't get any whiter than that.

[seraphim]

Going along with what affects our consciousness. I place this here.......

Today, there is a Montauk style electronic mind control programming center in EVERY MAJOR CITY IN THE UNITED STATES and they can easily crank out 1-2 million new 'recruits' each year, maybe more-maybe much more. I'm trying to remain conservative. What makes the mind control programming even more insidious and secretive is the use of the Montauk time tunnel. They take the kids from a point in time-let's say at 11 PM on Jan. 10, 2004. They will take the kid(s) into the time tunnel and deliver them to a programming center for maybe a week of programming. After the programming is completed, the kid will be REINSERTED in TIME to about one MILLISECOND after 11PM on Jan. 10. 2004. That person has just gone through ONE WEEK of mind control programming, but as far as HE knows, only one millisecond has passed in HIS time frame."

http://www.whale.to/b/monarch_q.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/Mars_Records/
http://www.think-aboutit.com/abductions/TheMarsForce.pdf

[KapitanScarlet]

Reference this thread title

[Sputnik]

Category: Unfuckingbelievable!

Remember when King Decadence went to Russia to shoot a bear which was made drunk so that his disgustingness wont miss it? Now he got caught going on a Safari to shoot himself a Souvenir, one of the last frikken Elephants of the planet. One of his grandchildren breed shoot himself in the foot at age 13,

SAY NO MORE!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323136

[highnoon]

i thought they brought tourism to space for these kinds of people.

[tgII]

I think PETA ought to keep going after those elitist psychopaths (the Windsors, Rothschilds, etc.).
Seriously. PETA has guts, when they go after factory farms: I appreciate that sort of activism.
Animals are often treated horrendously by Big Agribusiness – kind of like humans are treated
by courts: as an insensate assembly line for immoral private profits. (And Americans wonder
why so many of their countrymen are so fat and diseased: the answers ought to be pretty
obvious, no?)

And Juan Carlos is one spoiled elephant count.

Juan Carlos should "admit his mistake and learn from what happened," the paper said, sounding as if it were admonishing a child. — A trip that blasts a hole in the king's conservation credentials. The king is an honorary president of the Spanish branch of the World Wildlife Fund — which could raise questions about why an alleged conservation enthusiast is killing some of the most intelligent animals on the planet. [Because WWF is an elitist, resource-monopolist, paramilitary front.]

And the silly grandson shoots himself in the foot with a shotgun blast.

[Flames]

Again. What is up with all of these psychopaths looking like something you'd find at your local zoo?

[tgII]

Yeah, what's up with that?

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