Michael Tsarion Revisited

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh Shit (pardon the pun), QSC, that made me laugh.

Yea, that's funny. That triad claw pic is kinda like having Karmic diarrhea.

So, let's take on the content of Mtsar's message. Don't get me wrong, I am not kicking Mtsar's work. My motto is trust, but verify.

Your supposed to keep an open mind, your supposed to investigate, your supposed to question and that also includes Mtsar.

Dawn of the Anthropocene Epoch? Earth Has Entered New Age of Geological Time, Experts Say


And they add that the dawning of this new epoch may include the sixth largest mass extinction in Earth's history.

Zalasiewicz, Williams, Steffen and Crutzen contend that recent human activity, including stunning population growth, sprawling megacities and increased use of fossil fuels, have changed the planet to such an extent that we are entering what they call the
Anthropocene (New Man) Epoch.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100326101117.htm

I am watching the ARC video...as I have not listened to much Tsarion as of late.

Good, as I would like to know your opinion because I know your opinion will be without bias or allegiances. This will be an interesting discussion.
I know sometimes I can take things way too far when I hear or see something I don't understand, but I will eventually understand because I do investigate. I do study. I will beat the subject to death until I have a complete understanding.

This ARC lecture, it hit me the wrong way. Maybe that was the intention. Whatever it is, my intuition tells me something is just not right.

It could be some of those key words he used that has set me off. Those programmed words I have been trying to deprogram from myself for years and when I hear those words I just go on a rampage.

My comments .........

tsarion using saaz theory and weaving his own inputs to point out the absolute cruciality of every decision you take in every moment and its effect on your own evolution , what an incredible responsibility then is the knowledge and proper use of your own free will ? and in fact this is the prime knowledge for the self before it can truly evolve , that you the artist actually are co-creating your very experience of being as it happens , or if you not doing so, you are allowing "something" else to take your reigns, and you must contemplate if that @something@ can always be trusted with your best interests at heart, and that is a very serious and deep contemplation with great traps and evoluting revelations along the route .

I don't think a person can control every experience in their life, what they see and hear etc. A person can control their own decision making and what you choose to do or not do. A person can also make mistakes. My question is the same, who's to judge? If you turn right instead of left, does that decision help create or not create your soul? Who is making the "creating your soul" rules? And what about the children who come in this world without knowing anything and they are at the mercy of their parents, government schools, churches, etc...How can they create their own souls when people are just shoving shit down their throats all their lives? Evidently I am having some issues... Maybe I am projecting???

does that decision help create or not create your soul? Who is making the "creating your soul" rules?

Rainy, I understand your frustration with such a deep theological/philosophical question such as this. If I may say, no one knows the answer to this question, though it is of great importance to me, I don't believe anyone who says they have an answer to that question, nor do I count on someone to have that answer for me.

I have noticed that some of the well known figures of the "alternative research community" making some pretty big claims about things that are mere speculation still, and fail miserably at stating this fact as such. I feel that there needs to be a higher standard of much of the research in general.

I think this is one major reason why the scientific community disregards much of the material discussed by alternative researchers, not that I really care one way or another what they think.

Over the last 3 years of my own studies, I am a lot more picky about whose books I buy, or whose philosophies, theories, and hypotheses I am even willing to entertain, not because of a closed mind, but I feel that there is a lot of crap out there that doesn't hold its weight. I am not talking about Tsarion in that regard, but personally, I have kind of "moved on" into other areas of research.

I will state for the record though that Tsarion was a big part in my own evolutionary research into "the unknown", and give him a lot of credit for that. Personally, I got so sick of all of the childish non sense fighting that goes on with him and others, that I have gotten sick of it all.

Thanks Flames. I don't mean to freak out, but I guess I did.

I really like Mtsars work and I really like him, but I can't take the sermons. I think I've had enough of people in my life telling me about my soul.
I think the ones talking about others peoples souls need to turn around and take a good look at their own soul, if they have one.
I don't like this secrecy BS either. If they got something to say, why don't they just say it????

Yeah I agree with you in regard to all of the "soul this and that talk". That's why people have left religion in droves, and many scoff at the equally dogmatic scientific/academia team. There is always a tendency for people to be drawn to others who hold a charismatic presence over their minds, probably due to coming out of dogmatic institutions, only to re-emerge in that same pattern all over again.

People like to join teams. "Team this or That". With that being said, I am glad we at least live in an age where information can be shared, and people have the freedom to buy whatever book, from whatever author, and make up their own minds about the material and information being given.

I have hope that the dogmatic institutions will crumble, namely the Vatican and other "corporations dealing with the concept of soul", who have monopolized information through the ages. So in that respect, it's a good thing we're fortunate enough to talk about this stuff openly without being burned at the stake, at least for the time being.

The best ass-wipe descript ah heard Qsc - the triad method , wonder if the indians use that one

I don't think a person can control every experience in their life, what they see and hear etc. A person can control their own decision making and what you choose to do or not do. A person can also make mistakes.

I agree , thats why i used the term "co-creating"
What is important, i beleive, is the relationship between your consciousness , the application of your conscious willpower , and the beneficial or destructive effect this has on your life experience, with each experience, flashing its reflection into your lifesoul , the overall state of this lifesoul then is emitted back through your expressions like a subterranean undertone thats particular qualitys can be sensed by others in communication with you
Conscious willpower can be administereed by mimicking or by reason
When somebody awakes in the morning , they have to apply willpower to get out of bed , then they may just hang around and allow other influences to inspire what they choose to do that day, negative or positive or they may have made an agreement to apply their will to do a job for somebody else which they are getting paid for .
Or they may apply their will specifically to enhance some part of their own existence .

Now a large majority of people are using their willpower in a learned mimicked fashion , that is that they have learned to do certain things as other before them have done so, sort of like a proven formula , and this can often be a great tool , but sometimes these so called proven formulas can very slowly become infected or become innapropriate to the changing of time or the changing of the person, and it happens so slowly that people have forgotten to detect the drop in quality experience that has occured for them
That is where reason comes in, to evolve the reason sense to constantly monitor what one is experiencing and its relationship to a quality of existence , there will also be other senses that can be evolved as well , like a 6th sense ...Instinct ? and when someone feels this one buzzing for some reason , then off course they should investigate it, to try and identofy the reason , but instinct does not just buzz because something is inherently wrong with something being perceived, it can also buzz if the perceiver has not interpreted events as they actually are , so instinct itself can be compromised by a stubborn area of the ego or even just an unevolved area of the reasoning
JUst a few thoughts that came to mind and ive no time to continue at the moment

My question is the same, who's to judge? If you turn right instead of left, does that decision help create or not create your soul? Who is making the "creating your soul" rules?

yeah good question, spent years trying to figure it out exactly but dont have the definitive answer , just yet, but i have ideas

FAir comment Flames

Flames, I totally agree!!!

Instinct ? and when someone feels this one buzzing for some reason , then off course they should investigate it, to try and identofy the reason , but instinct does not just buzz because something is inherently wrong with something being perceived, it can also buzz if the perceiver has not interpreted events as they actually are , so instinct itself can be compromised by a stubborn area of the ego or even just an unevolved area of the reasoning

The subconscious mind has no defense mechanism, so when Mtsar is telling everyone not to worry about big brother, worry about yourself-hood,
I question his motives. I doubt very seriously that I miss interpreted what he said. You have an instinct for a reason and that instinct is there to protect you. And no, I won't be letting my defenses down so I can move to the next level of the mind control. I mean, I have learned a lot from mtsar and I plan to continue the learning, but I will be awake and thinking for myself.

On second reading of what i said about "instinct" i need to adjust what i meant slightly, I think there is a pure unadulterated instinct available in each person, which is maybe quite pure before the societal conditioning takes shape and can also be kept quite pure dependent on how people exist , but there is also the possibility that this can be "muddied" over by certain "mimicked" or even "subconsciously imported" belief systems .

So that a person can get a feeling that something is wrong about what someone else has said, but some of the influencial part of that perception is more to do with what the person projects onto the meaning than the actual meaning that the someone was actually conveying .

But it is not an exact science, because many things that people say, can be interpreted in certain ways dependend on each persons preferences or conditioning or beliefs

So im not talking about what your opoinion is on tsarion rainyday, but of something that occurs in human nature and affects people to different degrees in their opinions of others

So one aspect of evolving the self, is to fine tune the senses so that these inherent prejudices in the self can be minimised or erased when perceiving others opinions

But off course the person one is perceiving may very well be trying to hoodwink one, it is always down to the individual to first perceive that, but then t prove it to themselfs if possible using a communicatable reason to back up the initial emotional judgement
And the other oppose happens often as well, that a person is genuinely attempting to enlighten others but is perceived as being a hoodwinker

Thank you for your view point. I'm going to study on it more. In the meantime, when it comes to Big Brother, I keep my eyes wide open.

Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/

Good, as I would like to know your opinion because I know your opinion will be without bias or allegiances. This will be an interesting discussion

I think of all the people who have, or could possibly, open their yap to eek out something thoughtful, stimulating and worthy of reflection with sincerity, depth and profundity few can manage to do what Tsarion has done in his presentations to the public.

When he talks of soul and self. He is getting into the spiritual and the psychological.
I have a map of this territory and information I have been compiling for years now.

The soul is the invisible part of yourself that has attached to physicality with a flesh and blood body.
When detached from the physical body, this entity, is to be regarded as spirit.
That to me, is the definition differentiating soul and spirit.

For me, the psychology of a flesh and blood human only takes place mostly on the four denser layers of the energetic soul-spirit body.
The upper layers are not so concerned with physicality in regards to the self and deal with more distant and higher realms of being.

But I am under the impression that the souls of humankind are trapped in a false reality matrix of physicality which is built upon a substructure of another non-physical false reality matrix. A prison within a prison. And perhaps another false reality matrix enveloping these other two. A prison within a prison within a prison. Even reincarnation is an experience due to being trapped in an over-arching false reality matrix.

And each prison has its wardens, guards and keepers. Each of these designed to keep some form of order with the goal of perpetuating their feeding. The feeding off of humanity's emotion and psychological behaviors. This is why we are manipulated. A form of energetic food.
Each of us may have a parasite attached to us and this feeds, but also channels energy to its overlords or archons.

It is these archons that rule over the false reality matrices...many of us call them and pray to them....they tend to be called god or gods.

So there is a larger picture influencing man's psychology, self and his purpose. But can one realize and transcend this withing a prison within a prison within a prison with parasitic attachments. Or can one learn to cleanse oneself, break free and master themselves and their existence within these matrices without giving anything over to the parasites...of physical or non-physical realms?

The soul is the invisible part of yourself that has attached to physicality with a flesh and blood body.
When detached from the physical body, this entity, is to be regarded as spirit.
That to me, is the definition differentiating soul and spirit.

Yes, that is my understanding as well.

Or can one learn to cleanse oneself, break free and master themselves and their existence within these matrices without giving anything over to the parasites...of physical or non-physical realms?

I don't know if it's possible. Has anyone ever accomplished it?

I was thinking last night it may have been the key words Mtsar used that put me on the defensive. I apologize to everyone for freaking out.

The terms probably mean something different to me than it does to everyone else.
My mind perceived what he said as a threat and I reacted in self defense.
I don't like that word Holy Ground. I don't think anyone is standing on it regardless of who they are.
I think that word is used to manipulate people.

I don't know if it's possible. Has anyone ever accomplished it?

I believe so, but many of the Shamans, Taoists, medicine men and those who had the knowledge were bled of their methods and wisdom and then killed. The knowledge historically and presently held by the dark sorcerers and used for their own gain with oppression humanity cutting them off from any realization of a life or existence outside of a prison matrix. Anyone who has the knowledge or ability will keep a low profile so you won't be seeing them on television or the internet.

Most systems of transcendence allow some form of enticement and a promised freedom, but you rise up to the next layer of false matrix reality where you are even more energetically tapped and fed upon. It is my opinion that the afterlife of heaven is just another layer within the prison. That what can actually be experienced to the fullest lies beyond these religious afterlife worlds creatively advertised as the best there is. I believe this is the case for most Hindu yogic practices and religions...and most rituals.

A few of my latest posts have been touching on this area. The books of Carlos Castaneda are most revealing in this context.

Carlos Castaneda

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,903890,00.html

The book A Separate Reality sounds very interesting.

I didn't know Jimson weed was a hallucinogenic plant.

The subconscious mind has no defense mechanism, so when Mtsar is telling everyone not to worry about big brother, worry about yourself-hood,

It's good to be aware of what's going on. But, I think he meant one has to put theirself first, not egotistically, but to really find out who they are. Know thyself, then one would not have any worries or problems with big brother ever again. If a person became whole again, big brother would not be able to intervene.

Lets all be grateful for what we're about to receive. And what is it that we're about to receive? Evidently, Mtsar knows what we're about to receive. Lets just throw some psychology and ancient mysteries into the mix to keep them plebeians confused. Order out of Chaos...works every time.

Now that's something a Christian would say. ( :
I wondered what they were trying to do to us. And how people like mtsar and others know what they are going to do to us. So I read up and anyone can find this out for themselves it's all laid out in books, however elusive or unclear, so that is how the researcher's know. The creation stories are all very similar and other beliefs and myths. Plus history always seems to repeat itself so you can go figure.
The mass manipulators have everything down to the T and is all planned out.

No, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying if there is an ulterior motive, it will eventually come out.

Ulterior motives may come out but ignorance is bliss to a lot of folks so nothing is done about those motives.

As for us not having souls, people are vessels, so they can get hijacked, their soul gets misplaced. I read that some people are not born with souls or are not intact. Those people are really dead and can be harmful. And when one dies the soul can get lost for sure, and I definitely believe it can be harvested.
Overall, we need something to animate ourselves and keep our own energy so we can keep our awareness. How to animate the doll??

The feeding off of humanity's emotion and psychological behaviors.

For sure quicksilvercrescendo, I would keep that in mind next time the full moon or the horomones or just emotions start up rainyday. If you can find some form of meditation or something similar that disconnects you then it would be a great way to know yourself and at least stop the feeding. Oh and when the tests hit, you will be much more prepared.

I was having some full moon downloads about the stars last night and had an amazing dream (been having some major dreams lately too Flames), but didn't write it down and just have the imprint as you say kapis. Of course everything goes down the drain if I don't write it down. But I was just having a thought how one cell can replicate the entire body. So if you think of the cell as a human and the body as a god, imagine how much potential the human or cell has to become complete like the body or God. Same as with the stars.

Btw, what a great comment from Saaz, kapis.

I'm behind here, so I'll made it two posts.

I like the old saying which is in almost every religion and story. The Creator made one, this one became two and two produced three or mankind.

Quicksilvercrescendo, I'm glad you like CC, he did the job very well and certainly chosen very carefully, and am so thankful, unfortunately it' sad to see how he went downhill fast in his life, as a lot of folks do in this matrix.
I would recommend Merilyn Tunneshende, who does not have anything on the internet, except her books. And Victor Sanchez, Toltecas.com, who worked with the Natives in Mexico. parallelperception.com is also a nice community. Almost everything, including CC's websites seem to be tainted.

Rainyday, I posted earlier on Jimson weed. Check it out! It's very poisonous and grows wild where you live, is very hardy and usually on the side of streets growing out of the concrete. But if known how to use, it opens up the doors. Since people have lost all tools and DNA, plants are really one of the only things left, since most people can't do it through meditation either. Spirit plants will help.

You know, I did notice it was a full moon and it must have been messing with me bad. It wasn't PMS or hormonal I don't think because I was calming down the very next day.

Now that's something a Christian would say. ( :

I am not a Christian and I do not *believe* Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. So, there you go. I even put it in writing.
It may be something a Christian would say, but I am not saying what I said because I am a Christian.
Those buzz words do have an effect on me, but it's the totally opposite effect those words would have on a Christian.

Lets all be grateful for what we're about to receive.

As a matter of fact, it was MTSAR that said it, not me.

Maybe you should go check out the video #2 again.

How to animate the doll??

That's a scary thought...

If you can find some form of meditation or something similar that disconnects you then it would be a great way to know yourself and at least stop the feeding.

I should really take up smoking pot or something that will mello me out during times like this... I do kinda freak out when I hear a sermon coming on and that's what it reminded me of, a church sermon.

Rainyday, I posted earlier on Jimson weed. Check it out! It's very poisonous and grows wild where you live, is very hardy and usually on the side of streets growing out of the concrete. But if known how to use, it opens up the doors. Since people have lost all tools and DNA, plants are really one of the only things left, since most people can't do it through meditation either. Spirit plants will help.

I have seen these plants here just growing wild. That's why I was surprised to find out they were hallucinogenic plants.
Geeze, you'd think the feds would be combing the area to make sure we didn't touch them. They have pretty flowers too.
I have yet to see peyote plants growing here. I have heard a lot of people talk about taking peyote.

I believe so, but many of the Shamans, Taoists, medicine men and those who had the knowledge were bled of their methods and wisdom and then killed. The knowledge historically and presently held by the dark sorcerers and used for their own gain with oppression humanity cutting them off from any realization of a life or existence outside of a prison matrix. Anyone who has the knowledge or ability will keep a low profile so you won't be seeing them on television or the internet.

Most systems of transcendence allow some form of enticement and a promised freedom, but you rise up to the next layer of false matrix reality where you are even more energetically tapped and fed upon. It is my opinion that the afterlife of heaven is just another layer within the prison. That what can actually be experienced to the fullest lies beyond these religious afterlife worlds creatively advertised as the best there is. I believe this is the case for most Hindu yogic practices and religions...and most rituals.

A few of my latest posts have been touching on this area. The books of Carlos Castaneda are most revealing in this context.

If what you say is true, QSC, and I have discovered what you have said above, in some of my own independent research, does anyone else have this really really deep feeling of "oh shit, I'm fucked?"

I do. The idea that all religions are a lie, the ones who preserved the knowledge of how to escape hell are all dead, humans are basically garden vegetables farmed by astral parasites, and somehow my silly ass has to figure it all out by myself, escape, and find freedom... is worrisome.

I will speculate on a personal belief that I have. I do believe that there is an intelligent creator/God that created the Universe and all that is within in it. My struggle has been in identifying whether this God has a personal relationship or concern for its creation.

At the same time, I have to remain honest with myself and realize that I really don't know if God exists, so contemplating whether it/he/she has a personal interest in our well being is kind of a waste of time, in my opinion.

If we can suppose that this creator God, given there is one, does not have a personal relationship/care for its creation, then I can imagine why this God couldn't care less if some "dark sorcerers" utilized the power of the Universe in order to enslave souls. After all, we do live in an inorganic, hierarchical, psychopathic control grid right now, so in a way, we've let them "crash the party", while we pay their bills.

So in that sense, I am left to imagine that I have around 70-75 years in this life to gather all of the answers I can get to protect myself from being "harvested" after death, without the aid of a "personal God". I like to call that "being up the shit creek, without a paddle". A phrase I am all too familiar with.

I don't know much about reincarnation, but like I've said in the past here, "I feel like I've been through this before". Not to mention a strong sense and urgency that my time is running out, and either I "figure it out", or continue paying the price, the sorcerers price. A lab rat, trapped inside a cage, locked in a small room, in a complex of total security.

This subject is one that I spend a great deal of time contemplating and researching, and in a way, I feel that the fear that it brings out of me, is being made of good use "by something else". Ah, Existence is the greatest headache ever.

I will speculate on a personal belief that I have. I do believe that there is an intelligent creator/God that created the Universe and all that is within in it. My struggle has been in identifying whether this God has a personal relationship or concern for its creation.

I kinda like David Icke's version, the body computer. A biological computer. It makes sense. It seems whoever did the programming of the biological computer, left the mind control to ourselves. Maybe that was the programmers' version of freedom.

Maybe that's why Mtsar talks of people being terrified of freedom and why people look for saviors and leaders. Maybe that's why people feel and think they are missing something in their lives.

What On Earth Is Happening

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/righttoredress/2010/03/31/what-on-earth-is-happening

Hi Flames and ya'll...I would say of all the few people I know personally, I myself have a solid justification for being jaded and not so hopeful, but I still can't help feeling very positive in regards to all of my experiences and my own perceived reality. A good portion of my so called reality has not been very positive and at this time I don't desire to distinguish. I just feel like I will continue...even when it seems like a downhill/uphill struggle all the way. Surely there must be some reason why I remain...and if someone like me can continue on to spite all the opposition that is before me , and realizing that I may have a direct hand in the creation of such opposition...them perhaps through true contemplation and self realization I may be able to help myself and even others. I think this can only be done after I fully become conscious of my own individuality. I think Rainyday asked a good question about who is the decider or "judge" and I would say that you are your own ultimate determiner...but then I am just typing out loud. I don't feel "fucked" anymore, just confused sometimes and when a reminder comes along I am truly grateful .

You had posted an Icke video lecture a while back rainy. Even Icke is presenting this very same perspective of a false reality matrix with some illustrations that an artist did for him.

Perhaps more of this will be elaborated upon in his new book.
The blue lion on the cover of the book is actually another representation of an extra-dimensional being or force...but one supposedly opposed to the reptilian, avian and insectile archons and parasites.

What he presents on the matter remains to be read.

Flames and blackbird...your elaborations are similar to my own in many ways. It is very much a wait and see as to what the next few years brings...or what we bring upon ourselves.

When I went to David's lecture, Human Race Get Off Your Knees, he had the big screen on stage. When you first walk in the auditorium, the picture on the screen was the picture of David's face with the same picture that covers the lion's face.

Everyone was like, wow, as they walked into the auditorium.

At the end of the lecture, the lion's face appeared on the screen.

I want to get his book.

You know, I was kinda confused about the lion's face with the world's pic on it.

I thought the lion represented the tribe of Judea. It could also represent man, the beast, King of the Jungle. It could also represent the heart.

David, he talks of One World.

I can see the benefits of the One World theory, but I can also see the problems under a One World Government.
Change is the key word. Everybody and everything must change and I agree with it. It just depends on the change people accept or the change that's shoved down our throats.

Really, It probably wouldn't be that much different than what the US is living with now. I don't know, I get mixed messages when I listen to these type lectures. I know when I went to his lecture, I was so into what he was saying and there was so much information being thrown out there at once that it took me a couple days of recovery to get over it. I felt like I had been beat up physically. My body was sore for days...

It was a very intense lecture.

It must have been a deprogramming lecture and a reprogramming lecture at the same time. 5 hrs of deprogramming and 2 hrs of reprogramming.

I am not entirely comfortable with any researcher completely. And that is the way it should be.