Re: The Thread for Psychopaths - They Live

[KapitanScarlet]

Psychopaths are distracted, not cold-blooded
AN ATTENTION deficit, rather than an inability to feel emotion, may be what makes psychopathic individuals seem fearless. It's a finding that challenges the common characterisation of such people as cold-blooded predators.

"A lot of their problems may be a consequence of something that's almost like a learning difficulty," says Joseph Newman, a psychologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who investigated how prisoners with psychopathic personalities react when anticipating pain.

Previous experiments have suggested such people may not feel fear, while brain imaging studies have found abnormalities in the amygdala, a region that processes fear and other emotions. This has encouraged the perception that they are "emotionally shallow", Newman says. "People call them cold-blooded predators." But he questioned whether this was the whole story.

To tease apart why such people behave the way they do, Newman's team recruited 125 male prisoners convicted of serious crimes and scored them on traits characteristic of a psychopathic personality, including narcissism, impulsivity and callousness. About 20 per cent scored highly enough to be described as psychopathic - a proportion typical for criminals but well above the 1 per cent expected in the general population.

The researchers then hooked each prisoner up to a device that measures how strongly they blink - an indication of how afraid they are - and placed a screen in front of them. The subjects were warned that during tasks in which letters flashed on the screen, an electric shock would sometimes follow a red letter, but never a green one.

When instructed to push buttons to indicate whether letters were green or red, subjects with marked psychopathic characteristics flinched in response to red letters with the same strength as other subjects.

Yet when they were told to indicate whether letters were capitals or lower-case, the psychopathic prisoners barely blinked upon seeing red letters, while the others continued to anticipate the mild shock (Biological Psychiatry, DOI: 10.1016/j.biopsych.2009.07.035).

This suggests that psychopathic individuals sense fear as much as anyone, and only seem fearless because they find it harder to pay attention to what is scary and what is not, says Newman, who hopes his hypothesis can be used to discourage psychopathic repeat offenders. "They're famous for being difficult if not impossible to treat," he says.

Donald Hands, director of psychology at the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, is working with Newman to design a pilot treatment programme. Reminding psychopathic lawbreakers of the immediate consequences of their actions, such as getting arrested and sent back to prison, might help to dissuade them from reoffending, he says.

Newman's finding may also persuade prison authorities to treat psychopathic individuals differently. "I think this shows that there's some humanity there," Hands says. "It challenges the belief that they are robots."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427304.000-psychopaths-are-distracted-not-coldblooded.html

[KapitanScarlet]

Sociopath Vs. Psychopath: There is a Difference

When someone hears the words psychopath or sociopath they automatically start thinking of some awful, derange, serial killer. That might have been true years ago, however the difference in the two have finally been
revealed. Before understanding the two personality disorders, you first must understand what exactly each
disorder consists of.

A sociopath is one who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior. A psychopath is a person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. The two might sound the same to some, however the differences between sociopaths and psychopaths are very real.

David Lykken a behavioral geneticist for the University of Minnesota has come to an interesting conclusion regarding the differences between sociopaths and psychopaths. Lykken studies revealed that psychopaths are born with temperamental differences that lead them to being risk seekers, impulsive, fearless as well as not being able to socialize normally. Sociopaths have normal temperaments, and their personality disorder tends to effect their lives regarding parenting, peers, and their intelligence.

Sociopaths can be anyone from your mother, father, best friend, neighbor or even your co-worker, and you would not even realize that they are dealing with this disorder that affects everything in their daily life. Sociopaths go above and beyond themselves to make sure that other people around them have no idea that their life is something other than what it is. More than likely you have met one or two sociopaths in your life and not even realize it.

Psychopaths on the other hand are very flamboyant with how they deal with their disorder. Some famous psychopaths that you might know about are Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez, Theodore Bundy and David Berkowitz. These four men are famous for being some of the most notorious and manipulative serial killers in history. Not all psychopaths are as out there as these four men, however their rage is almost always as intense, it just depends on how they channel it.

1. Sociopaths are very charming.
2. Sociopaths can be extremely manipulative and will try to con you whenever possible.
3. Sociopaths feel that they are entitled to everything.

4. Sociopaths will lie continuously to get what they want. They can even sometimes manipulate a lie detector.
5. Sociopaths have no remorse, shame or guilt.
6. Sociopaths will show love and happiness only when it serves their purpose. None of the feelings are genuine.
7. Sociopaths have no room for love in their life.
8. Sociopaths need to have excitement in their lives or live on the edge.
9. Sociopaths have lack of empathy hen their victims suffer pain that they have caused.
10. Sociopaths believe that they are all mightier than tho, there is no concern on how their behavior impacts others.
11. Sociopaths usually have a long history of juvenile delinquency as well as behavior problems.
12. Sociopaths will never take blame for anything they have done to anyone no matter if it is family or friend.
13. Sociopaths have many sexual partners and tend to act out many sexual acts.
14. Sociopaths rarely stay in one place for a long time (home/work).
15. Sociopaths will change themselves if they know it will keep them from being found out.

Characteristics of a psychopath are as followed:

1. Psychopaths use superficial charm to lure their victims.
2. Psychopaths are extremely self-centered.
3. Psychopaths must always do something to keep themselves from boredom.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously.
5. Psychopaths show no remorse of guilt towards their victims.
6. Psychopaths are very predatory and usually will live off other people.
7. Psychopaths have many sexual partners in their lifetime.
8. Psychopaths are very impulsive with their lifestyle.
9. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions.
10. Psychopaths never have a realistic view of their lives. (king of the world or from another planet)
11. Psychopaths always want psychological gratification in sexual and criminal activities.
12. Psychopaths tend to try suicide, rarely succeeding.

If you are interested in learning more about the difference of psychopaths and sociopaths I would definitely recommend you reading two specific books. The first book is Violent Attachments by J. Reid Meloy. The second
book I recommend reading is The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. Both books will bring you into the minds
of both personality disorders which will allow you to understand even greater the difference in the two.

Source : What is a Psychopath - http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath_2.htm
Source : Pschyopath - http://www.wikipedia.com
Source : Sociopath - http://www.wikipedia.com

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1013712/sociopath_vs_psychopath_there_is_a.html

[Flames]

So I was thinking about psychopaths today...

One thing that came to mind was that some people who have a deep intuition can potentially read a psychopath by looking at their eyes, or rather into their eyes. Sound fucked up? Sound judgmental? I've talked to people about this, and they agree that there is something to it, though there may not be scientific evidence to prove it. In some weird instances, whether its real or not, I've noticed that violent psychopaths have an ability to look through you, in a very uneasy way for the sane person to cope with.

I will say that there doesn't seem to be any conclusive evidence of identifying a psychopath by reading the eyes, but I've noticed a pattern. I've noticed that a violent offender's eyes will scan the victim for potential physical weakness before the violent act even takes place. This amazes me, because I am a hyper aware individual who has been amongst groups of people who appear oblivious to certain ambiances.

What trips me out about that, is I've always wondered if the psychopath is even consciously aware of themselves doing this (scanning the victim). Keep in mind that I am referring to people who for no apparent reasons commit violence against someone else who apparently doesn't deserve it.

I've been around several extremely violent people in my life ever since I was very young, and have noticed a similar function in all of these extremely violent types. Many times, these things have happened as me being a witness to it all, in its horrifically bloody reality. Luckily for me, I've not been abused, nor have I been in many physical altercations. My peaceful nature, I believe is a force to be reckoned with in itself. Whenever I've looked into the eyes of someone about to commit (before and after) a violent act against another person, there seems to be a complete disassociation of the soul and mind.

I'm not talking about people who are forced to defend themselves, not that violence, but the predator, there is something that appears to be lacking in the individuals eyes. It's like identifying something by the lack of its presence. This has never made any sense to me, because I am a very empathetic person, and I'm very repulsed by violence. Thus, I've been left to make sense of the senselessness, like the rest of you here in this thread.

I don't have any statistical data to back this claim up, but on an intuitive level, I've recognized a pattern that is hard to describe. I can go into this way more deeply than I am right now if you want me to. Okay, so I will...

If it is true that a psychopath operates without a conscience, if an individual is literally devoid of a conscience, then what is operating that individual? What is it that is using that individual's eyes in such a manner that is so foreign to an empathetic individual? I remember being attacked by a psychopathic 'friend' about a year ago. To make a long story short, this person came at me when I wasn't looking, the next thing I knew I was down on the floor being choked, and wondered if I was going to die. That's all I could think about. I was fortunate enough to overcome him and subdue him in a submission hold. I believe he would have killed me, had I not defended my life. I had the decency of pulling him back together and dropping him of at his place, to avoid him from getting into more trouble. Given the circumstance we were in, there definitely was going to be more trouble.

Some background should be provided about the person I am referring to. It was a friend of mine who grew up with a horrifically violent father who beat this shit out of him on a constant basis until he became an adult, coupled with 2 violent brothers. Alcohol was involved the night of the fight, but the excuse of attacking me, he could not come up with afterward. He gave me some bullshit story about how his father beat him, and for some reason he took it out on me!

It is pretty well known by people that this guy has been extremely jealous of me for many reasons. I don't feel it is fair to go into that though. Through my reasoning, it is clear to me that he would have rather destroyed me, than have to feel like living in my shadow (which in reality is pretty damn trivial). The look in his eyes were like looking into the face of Satan as he was choking me.

This is just one example of my experience with violent people, who attack almost like a tiger. These people will kill without notice, without remorse, and without conscience. It will fuck your mind up beyond belief when it happens, because it will never make any sense to the empathetic individual. Everyone knows that this man is a psychopath in every since of the word. But to make my point, I will never forget the look in his eyes.

I would argue that psychopathy, like alcoholism, is passed down genetically. If an individual is genetically predisposed, given his environment the traits will manifest themselves accordingly.

[seraphim]

That's one heck of a post there Flames. You were meant to live huh! I've been around some violent folk but they all avoid me and I keep my distance. The place I grew up in is the most drug, and alcohol ridden in the nation, the crime came after that. It's good that I've seen the dark side.

I'm kind of behind on the forum and was trying to figure out before how a psychological tendency can be passed down through DNA. I hear people saying that it does but still there is no evidence. The brain damage caused by drugs, toxins, alcohol gets passed down in the fetus and that may trigger psychopathic tendencies but that's not the cause of their behavior, nor is it a DNA problem, but a physiological defect.

So I found some theories about the origins of the psychopathic mind and it makes so much sense depending on if the person is more of the cro magnun hominid species or homo species, and possible neanderthal species who were supposed to have been more evolved. So it goes way back to the original DNA of the prototypes:

Cleckley is describing a person who is able to mimic the human personality, but who leaves the impression that something is not there. They have a personality structure which “functions in a manner apparently identical with that of normal, sane functioning” and yet when all is said and done, “we are dealing here not with a complete man at all but with something that suggests a subtly constructed reflex machine which can mimic the human personality perfectly” to the point that “no one who examines him in a clinical setting can point out in scientific or objective terms why, or how, he is not real.”
Organic portals which is similar to the brain waves.

Most Organic Portals have no inclination to break laws, in fact the majority have no real inclinations at all other than to pursue the “A influences” (Mouravieff’s term) otherwise known as the social norms, such as money, sex, marriage, fame or any of a host of other “ideals” that we are all encouraged to strive for from an early age. The attainment of these goals is held up in global society as the culmination of the search for happiness, yet it is evident from the state of our world today that true happiness remains as illusory and elusive as ever…at least for those who have an inkling that there is “something more”.
So where do these “life goals” that serve us so badly come from? Is it possible that they are in fact someone else’s ideas and goals for us…is it in someone else’s interest that most of us expend our energies and efforts in a fruitless pursuit of chimerical happiness?
This concept is not new at cassiopaea.org and is therefore an idea that will not be strange to regular readers of the site, but what is new and indeed very strange is the idea that there could be billions of these Organic Portals who have been vectored toward keeping those unaware of this cocept lost in the "wilderness and desert", ensuring the continued production of “loosh” from all of humanity. It should be noted here that we are not talking of some form of malignancy or evil on the part of Organic Portals, rather it would seem that they are simply doing and acting according to their natures, which it appears is to a large extent “soul-less”.
As the research, ideas and thoughts developed it was one revelation after another, and it soon became clear how possible this grand plan could have been implemented:
It seems there are possibly 3 billion organic portals sharing the planet, that is, one out of two people on the planet may be effectively soul-less.

Q: In Book III of his Gnosis, Mouravieff discusses what he calls "pre-Adamic humanity" and "Adamic humanity." As I read this I could see that the thing I was struggling to understand in terms of psychopathy as discussed in the Adventures Series, was exactly what Mouravieff was describing. However, he was using the Bible to explain it, and that just didn't quite work. Nevertheless, the basic idea is that pre-Adamic human types basically have no "soul," nor any possibility of growing one. This is certainly shocking, but there have been many recent scholarly discussions of this matter based on what seems to be clinical evidence that, indeed, there are human beings who are just "mechanical" and have no "inner" or "higher self" at all. Gurdjieff talked about this and so did Castaneda. So, I asked if his ideas about the two basic TYPES of humans were, as far as they went, accurate.
A: Indeed, though again, there is a "Biblical Gloss." [The pre-Adamic types are] "organic" portals between levels of density.
This, of course, raised the issue of whether or not trying to "help" or "save" such individuals was a waste of time.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful observation.

[seraphim]

Okay now for some female perspectives LOL, well it's not that really but what I say below is a FACT.

Some folks were wondering why the gals always go for the psychopaths. Well it's for the same reason why Eve fell for the devil too. And that is..........because females will do anything for love and the psychopath knows how to con them in that department (read what they do in the research) and others as well. A gal doesn't care if it's the devil or not, instead of going for the booze or pills or killing themselves they will do anything for love. And anyone who gives that to them will do.

A gal wants to be saved from the hells of life, who doesn't, and have a savior and the manipulating psychopath say they will do just that but it's all a scheme and the gals end up harming themselves even more.
A gal needs to be told they look fine just the way they are and don't have to look like or behave as the media wants them to. They are fine just like they are and would look even more beautiful if they took care of themselves in all ways.
But instead of self empowerment there is insecurities, they look to the psychopath who promises them things and tells them what they desperately need to hear and lie and tell them that they look just fine, that's why women like to be told they are beautiful because they don't believe they are okay as is, because of the damn media and all the other brainwashings.

So why does a gal need all this love. It's because of the chemical estrogen. Don't know if it has something to do with the bonding of offspring and has to be there for the survival and caring of the species or else a very clever being put that in females to be weakened with this so called powerful drug called love.

[Flames]

A gal doesn't care if it's the devil or not, instead of going for the booze or pills or killing themselves they will do anything for love.

Wow, that is so true! I know many ladies who play into that one. There is just so much misunderstanding of why people do the things they do, how they end up in the situations that they're in, and why they are with the people that they're with. I know woman that will stop at absolutely nothing until they get married. The act of marriage becomes more important to them than the person they're marrying.

But it doesn't stop there. I know some ladies that absolutely cannot even exist until they have a child. Who they have that child with means nothing to them. Then the baby comes along, the woman finds out she married a maniac, or she becomes a maniac herself, divorce ensues, kid grows up fucked up, and the whole cycle repeats itself through the kid. Of course there are many exceptions to this, but there really is a gigantic social problem here.

I see this sort of thing happen a lot. But one thing that gets overlooked is that there are many men out there who do this very same thing too. The lust of playing the role itself transcends the very substance they are looking for. Throw a psychopath into the equation and you have one hell of a nightmare.

All for love.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

So...a female psychopath who has the intrinsic mechanism to also seek out love and caring would be doubly dubious and dangerous...no?

[tgII]

• So...a female psychopath who has the intrinsic mechanism to also seek out love and caring would be doubly dubious and dangerous...no?

Yes, absolutely, here's a test to determine psychopathy:

• 
  
  Take this test to determine if you are a psychopath

[seraphim]

Flames I'm sure you heard of a gal having a kid just so that she can love someone or even have someone love her. That happens alot.

I wasn't saying that a woman who is controlled by her horomones is a psychopath, but it sure can make her crazy or do those kind of things. Estrogen is a drug or a chemical and a very powerful one that can cause someone to do some real strange things. But it's not really who they are. Hmm I wonder is anyone who they really are!
And is there something missing in a gal or something that was taken out?

But I'll tell you who the psychopathic females are. They are the one's manipulated by the environment, the one's that will do anything for money. They will lure the guy with sex, so watch out, double danger. Sadly, a lot of those women are from places of no opportunity or just about anywhere in these times and will do what they can to use the system and others in order to make a living or whatever they can for money. It's too bad one has to equate money with survival.

tgII I got the answer wrong, darn! How am I going to survive and out maneuver the psychopaths!

[tgII]

• tgII I got the answer wrong, darn! How am I going to survive and out maneuver the psychopaths!

Simple, help us expose them.

Just pulled this off the Red Ice site, this psycho marketer was referenced
on Red Ice once before, didn't pay too much attention to him until just
now. Alright, first up, view this article from Red Ice on, Clotaire Rapaille,
this lunatic marketing guru from France.

• Marketing guru: I can save Saab - (With Reptilian Marketing?)

Where was he when GM went belly up?

Did you read the article on this marketing guru, if you didn't I can't continue,
if you did, now view Doctor David Morris' explanation of "psychopaths in
marketing." To be fair, I haven't really looked at Clotaire Rapaille carefully
enough to actually say he is a psychopath, but he sure comes damn close.

Doctor David Morris - Psychopaths in Marketing

"Reptilian marketing?"

"The psychopaths have taken control of our institutions." -- Doctor David Morris

[seraphim]

Too many to expose so I'll start making notes on them. Do I have to read that article, I don't care for their doings.

[KapitanScarlet]

Pamela Andersons EXPLICIT video , be warned , contains disturbing examples of the maniac in the human psyche

[seraphim]

That video was disturbing, you mean the maniacs torturing the birds?
I eat meat but I stopped eating chicken or any birds six years ago for personal reasons.

[tgII]

So, what was the idea suggested the other day, corporations are
psychopathic reflections of their CEOs/managers, what better
example can be given than watching how suppliers of chickens for
Kentucky Fried Cruelty and their employees slam chickens in to
concrete walls and than stomp on them?

• Corporations as Psychopathic Organizations

[Flames]

tg - impeccable timing. Check out this recent Australian KFC advertisement.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

KFC had to do this, because there really is no money in watermelon or mangoes.
If there were yamulka-wearing Jews in the stands the chicken bucket would be filled with 2 for 1 coupons at Lebowitz's Buffet...for the same effect.

[tgII]

• ...because there really is no money in watermelon or mangoes.

Don't know about no money in watermelons, Alfred certainly thought there
was. Psychopathic corporations and watermelons, so what's the connection?

Got me to thinking, remember Alfred Hitchcock's 1960 movie Psycho with
Anthony Perkins as Norman Bates the psycho?

Remember the scene where Vera Miles is in the shower and in the shadow you
can see the knife plunging into her nude body, well the sound of that knife
being "plunged into human flesh" was something Hitchcock wanted perfectly
replicated and synchronized, so he sent his technicians out and guess what,
the sound was synchronized perfectly with sensitive mics and spliced/edited
into the exact sequence.

The sound you heard was a knife being 'stabbed' into a watermelon, so
the next time you bite into a watermelon, you will never see them in the same
way again.

• 
  
  
  "Now Norman, behave yourself
  or I'll have to tell mother."

[KapitanScarlet]

a complete generation gripped in fear by the sound of a watermelon thats the movies
Reminds me off the great acting psycho al lettieri in Mr mAjestyk and his water melon farm

[KapitanScarlet]

shes serving her apprenticeship for psychopathy...poor kids

[quicksilvercrescendo]

In all my years of being in public school, no teacher has ever mentioned which presidential candidate they support or asked the students or myself who we were voting for. This kind of thing was never mentioned other than the importance of registering to vote when of age.
And if someone had asked me, I would have told them it is none of their business.

[KapitanScarlet]

There are nutcase teachers p[raying on innocent children in all walks
More sex abuse cases reported at German school

[rainyday]

Would you say a Control Freak is a psychopath? I need to study up on Control Freaks so I can learn how to deal with one effectively.


I've never experienced anything like this in all my years of dealing with people. So, you have a person that has controlled everybody and everything in their life for years. The person screams and raises hell to the point that everyone (not me) dealing with this person bows to every whim regardless how wrong or illogical. The people around this person (not me) will cower and say yes, yes, yes whatever you say, just to make this person happy. It's not the happiness the people want, they just want him to shut the F*** UP. This person actually goes out of the way to avoid a confrontation with me because I will just tell him to SHUT THE F*** UP.

This always gets me in trouble with the other people (family members) because they want me to APPEASE this man the way they have always been trained to APPEASE him and I just can't do it and won't do it. I can see that this man always uses reverse psychology on people. He can make people sad, depressed, guilty, anything negative when in REALITY, it's not even REAL. You can tell these people it's not REAL and they know it's not REAL, but.... then comes the excuse of why they bow...IT'S WEIRD!
If he doesn't get his way, there is hell to pay. So, it's like the herd mentality David Icke talks about. In order to keep peace in the family, the family members herd each other and I'm not playing the game. So regardless I'm the bad guy even though the man is full of shit and everybody knows it, especially the people who are APPEASING him. Is this crazy or what?

[Flames]

Would you say a Control Freak is a psychopath

Hi Rainy. I would say that a control freak and a psychopath are two entirely different entities, though both share common negative behaviors. Psychopaths are way more dangerous, and the subject of control: (having it, losing it) means nothing to the psychopath, because the psycho was never in control to begin with. If a psychopath even had a true sense of control they would immediately cease being a psychopath, but has that ever happened?

The person you are describing seems to fit more appropriately in the energy vampire role, a person who simply feeds off of the good nature and energies of others', whether the so called vamp is consciously aware of these actions or not. For whatever reason these vamp-like people are deficient in producing positive energies, but are expert at stealing them from others, to fill their empty void. Perhaps there is a physiological explanation of this? My advice, carry a little pouch of garlic with you when around such individuals, and a good clean wooden cross. Just kidding.

But seriously, don't feed them, and for god sakes, try to protect others' from these sort of people if at all possible, if not, run for the hills, or else they will turn you into a human raisen!

[rainyday]

Thanks Flames. So the people bowing...

The wife was raised a strict Catholic, but is not a practicing Catholic now. I wonder if that upbringing has anything to do with the APPEASEMENT syndrome? I mean, she must like punishment to put up with this crap.

[Flames]

As an ex Catholic I will venture to say that growing up in that particular doctrine is definitely self limiting and disempowering, especially if one has a rebellious nature at heart. If there are any forum Catholics here, accept my apology. I know because when I was a kid I grew up an alter boy, at a very young age. Felt like I was an actor in a play, but nobody gave me a copy of the script. When I was a little kid, I'd cry and beat the wall, but off to church I went, white robed with chalice in hand. I would say that may have contributed to some of my anxiety problems I have today, hard to be sure.

I wonder if that upbringing has anything to do with the APPEASEMENT syndrome?

Sounds to me like you're pretty concerned about this ladies emotional well being. It is difficult to say for sure what has caused her to put up with her husband's abuse.

There could be a number of reasons why she puts up with her captor, for lack of a batter word. One reason could be that the vampiric husband has her trapped by financial strings, making her feel helpless, and directionless should she leave him, i.e. homeless, broke, lonely, etc...

May I ask how long they have been together? If it's a true case of an inauthentic marital relationship, it may be that it is only held together by sexual lust, and that's all. But I'm just guessing. I know men, who literally cannot be unmarried for whatever reasons. They would rather financially support and keep their weeping wives, than have to go marry some new stranger.

Then there is the possibility that she is simply crazy by this point. If that is the case, then I don't know what to tell ya.

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