The Thread for Psychopaths - They Live

[tgII]

They live among us, apprx. one in six people on the street have
psychopathic tendencies from one degree to another.

In case you do not understand this threat, may I suggest
some insights by Dr. Robert D. Hare:

We're on to these fuckers now. Think about this, corporations employ
psychopaths, is the inference here corporations are psychopathic, in
other words, predatory? You're damn right they are.

• THE PSYCHOPATH - The Mask of Sanity

Time to make people aware, these freaks walk amongst us and
quite frankly, in my crude rather up front approach to describing
our circumstances, these fuckers don't give a shit about anything
unless it empowers them.

• Welcome to Without Conscience - the website devoted to the study of psychopathy

"Imagine", as John Lennon said, yes, imagine alright, but only this time
imagine the worst.

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

This is for all the psychopaths out there, clinically diagnosed or not,
Tears For Fears - Everyone Wants to Rule The World, just don't rule
mine and we'll get along just fine.

• Tears For Fears - Everyone Wants to Rule The World
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9O30d_yiE

Note: Embedding is prohibited on this video, what ever the
fuck for I have no idea.

[KapitanScarlet]

a fully developed public 1 in 6 to the Hall of sHame TGII

[Flames]

Glad this subject is being looked at, I've been contemplating this one for awhile now. The whole subject of psychopathy is probably the most important subject we can ever look into.

Think about it:

If the relatively small amount of sane people who still remain alive do not deploy a solution to what needs to be done about psychopaths, then wouldn't it be safe to say that the many psychopaths that rule the world will in turn, deploy their solution to rid the world of the sane?

These people are so out of control, and in control, that is seems we're passed the point of them getting help and institutionalized and under supervision, or better yet: prison.

They are dragging us straight to hell with them.



To add: I do believe there is a direct link between the corporation and the psychopath. What is a corporation more than a way of filtering out moral people and installing less moral ones at the top to carry out an inhuman agenda?

Sure works for the military.

[KapitanScarlet]

I always found Dr Strangelove was such a loveable rogue though FLames but a very serious subject indeed

[tgII]

First things first in the study of psychopaths, looks are deceiving,
psychopaths are the best actors and actresses imaginable.

Next up, education, understand the world of the psychopath, crawl
into his/her skin, pretend you are a psychopath and start fantasizing
about manipulating, deceiving and holding all those you come into
personal contact with utter perfunctory contempt to obtain what
you want or are desirous of, e.g., position of influence, raw power,
money, sex, greed, games, a job.

• 
  Dr. Robert D. Hare's important book -
  Without Conscience

Can morals and social values be communicated to
psychopaths/sociopaths? Good question, perhaps a professional
should be referred, however, before we do, I'd hate to be the
fucking one trying to teach anything about values to this guy
though:

• 
  "Since as a psychopath I have self-centredness
  and the inability to empathize, I'm going to rip
  your tongue out and eat it."
  

Here is one commentary about trying to communicate with
psychopaths, this guy said, "one need only speak their
language." Warning though, if you try speaking their lingo just
make damn sure he's not holding a knife behind his back!

Here's what one inquiring mind asked about psychopaths:

• My name is _________, I read your conversations with the sociopath who wondered if he would ever find love, the father of the sociopath, and the dangerous sociopath, and was intrigued. I did find one problem with your thought process. You constantly declare, Koch-esque, that one cannot reform or treat a sociopath due to their nature. I respectfully disagree, I believe that one can communicate values and morals to them, one need only speak their language. From what I've seen, most sociopaths do consider themselves superior to the rest due to lack of compassion or empathy, but they believe they have something to fill this hole. Most sociopaths I have met claim to hold logic as their highest value. This may be more of your classic sociopathic manipulation meant to instill some form of fear in me, or perhaps they really do worship logic. If so, it would be simple to justify a system of morals to them if you could only convince them that a given set of morals and principles were logical. http://www.askdrrobert.dr-robert.com/valuesandmorals.html

This was Dr. Saltzman's response from the same link, if it gives any
insight. He referred to a psychopath's behavior of having "survival
value", if that's the case, does this mean compassionate people have
the wrong survival traits and are fucking doomed to be preyed upon
by psychopaths?

Thanks for your well stated and well founded letter. If I have left the impression that trying to work therapeutically with a psychopath is useless or hopeless, I have failed properly to communicate my views on this matter. Yes, as I will illustrate later, such a project is always difficult, inevitably fraught, but what I meant to express in the articles to which you refer is not that psychopaths shouldn't receive therapy if they want it--of course they should--but that psychopathy, despite the infelicitous "pathy" syllable in its name, is not, in my opinion, a mental disorder such as, for example, depression, but rather a personality style, most likely primarily genetic in origin, which became a permanent part of the human genome because in certain circumstances, and across countless eons, it had positive survival value, not just for the individual, but even for the group of which the individual was a part. http://www.askdrrobert.dr-robert.com/valuesandmorals.html

What happens when you interview for a job and the interviewer
is a psychopath but typically hides this fact very well?

What happens when you volunteer in the military and your CO
is a full blown psychopath?

[highnoon]

the psychos main strength though is the loyalty they build in the people they manipulate. they always have two groups, the one group they want to hurt and the one group that helps them achieve what they want. this is what the nwo does with their society system and which is why so many people are happy to be alive. the education system upgrades your worth and you can sell your skillset to private or public employers. then when you're accepted life is ok. the portion that gets to feel life is ok, defends their existance when you speak to them but they also might defend the existance in a broader sense if they work for the police or something.

when you think of the future theories on a china or russia north american invasion, what are the soldiers of these countries coming here for? if they got conscripted by force, they simply follow orders cause they are afraid of being court martialed. or if it was free will, it wasnt really free because the poverty circumstance created by jesuits and the pope in these countries, drives some people to signup.

they could come to north america and hundreds of thousands of low tier rural humans with guns will enforce UN code upon other people for little more reason than to simply eat rice and enjoy life in their barracks without prosecution done unto them.

thats how easy it is to control people. if i wanted to get revenge on somebody i dont like, i could find myself a crackhead and say, here take this gun and shoot this man in this photo, when you do meet this person in this picture here and he will give you 1 thousand dollars. bring a finger and his wallet to prove you've murdered this guy i hate. and i bet you i could find a crackhead to do this. in fact i know people who have employed junkies to rob walmarts and stores like this for all sorts of merchandise and were paid upon completion of said shoplifting. this is just military or corporate draft.


this is a very disgusting illustration, but if you cant see the pot and kettle as both being the same although its different colors, then there is no way to sway anyones allegiance from the easy route of aligning with popular big brother systems, because to take the different path, its a requirement that you feel shame upon your own neccesity to run from your fears to achieve happiness. you have to be stripped naked of all your securities when you no longer see yourself as a saint under any circumstance, the person has to see that running and being in fear, although achieving greatness, is not greatness because at any point in time the big brother couldve posited to you to do something to somebody else in order to keep progressing in rank. like gangs do. a friend of mine witnessed in america on a subway a 15 year old being pressured to carve a mans face with a large knife as part of initiation. the guys cheek as my friend told me, was hanging off his face. i dont know if the whole flesh fell off but the 15 year old succumbed to making a trade. i was always curious btw how these trades are justified in gang leaders eyes. i guess its just accepted that if you do something horrendous to be a part of something it shows loyalty. but i think it has a greater implication then just loyalty, its literally like the devil asking for something first to give something in return after.

[seraphim]

The young ones realize they will always be without money, so It's the drugs they want now Highnoon, they have turned sociopathic.
On the other hand it's psychopaths who want the money. They don't care about anything else. Some painful but true insights you got there.
And that man hit the nail on the head tgII.

This was Dr. Saltzman's response from the same link, if it gives any
insight. He referred to a psychopath's behavior of having "survival
value", if that's the case, does this mean compassionate people have
the wrong survival traits and are fucking doomed to be preyed upon
by psychopaths?

It's all about survival and if it's money that will make one survive they will do anything for it. Money has become the main survival mechanism to drive and control people's behaviors. It creates the psychopath, anxiety, personality and borderline traits and all personal relationships are shot to hell because of that. Everything has to always be stressful and fast paced, that's how the establishment wants our situations to be like. Now they may chip us and EMF our brains so they can control our behavior even better.

That's how most people are living like psychopaths, but now we are getting the new breed the sociopaths, they are a step above and go for the jugular. The youth may all turn into sociopaths, the gangs who have no role models or parenting of any kind turn out this way, as you see them kill each other every day on the news.

No way get on these disturbed folks level or follow their doomed fates! The kind folks instead ought to turn ruthlessly compassionate towards these disturbed ones.

People are raised to be psychopaths.

I don't think a behavior can jump into the genes (if so we would be born at least knowing we are humans and act accordingly), so I don't think it's biological or you can be born a psychopath. You can be born with abnormal behavioral traits such as autism but it's the environment such as toxins that do that, not your ancestors behavior that causes it. So the environment can jump into the genes and change them. If a child has a tendency to be over active it's most likely something outside of them causing it, and not born that way. The body can adjust to the environment, so If you eat junk food for thousands of years, your body will adjust so you don't get as toxic or all these diseases as a side effect.

So far humans are born in a way where any behavior can be instilled in them. Leave a child to be raised with an animal and it will behave like one and actually think it's one.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

People are raised to be psychopaths.

I don't think a behavior can jump into the genes (if so we would be born at least knowing we are humans and act accordingly), so I don't think it's biological or you can be born a psychopath. You can be born with abnormal behavioral traits such as autism but it's the environment such as toxins that do that, not your ancestors behavior that causes it. So the environment can jump into the genes and change them. If a child has a tendency to be over active it's most likely something outside of them causing it, and not born that way. The body can adjust to the environment, so If you eat junk food for thousands of years, your body will adjust so you don't get as toxic or all these diseases as a side effect.

With respect, but I I do believe that behavior can influence the genes and can manifest in a quality that can be hereditary such as sociopathy. And the more this behavior guarantees survival for the individual over generations, then the more likely that it, a behavior as is typically defined, will be instilled in a more prominent genetic expression and passed on. But not all offspring may be express this outwardly. Or it may not be expressed until the brain is fully mature in the adult and all connections are made. Also, the stress of having to be a self-sufficient adult, against a similarly sick society, may be just the trigger for latent genetic potentials to now come to the foreground and be utilized for survival. In fact, I believe genes are highly dynamic and mutable way beyond what science and behaviorists are aware of or are willing to admit.

Lifestyle decisions to smoke, drink, do drugs, and what you eat as a diet can become genetically inherited traits, along with a predisposition to repeat those behaviors, and to be more susceptible the diseases that result from these behaviors. In fact, such lifestyle/behavioral-to-genetic expressions can occur in as little as...3 generations. If you have two generations of eating a bad diet, it is very much likely that by the third generation, that child can be born with problems as a result of what the previous generations ate, and even if this third generation child is not eating like they did, but healthy. The problem may still manifest and not be remedied by what they now do as a lifestyle decision.
It is a de-potentization of the seed, so to speak.

Now these substances are external or could be considered environmental. But the sociopathy around us that becomes the norm or common due to genetic inheritance is also an internal factor affecting others as a collective external factor. Psychological and emotive states are probably not as pronounced in their affect as a chemical, like food or smoking, so therefore their affect on a genetic expression may take more time...perhaps seven to ten generations as a speculative example.

I would recommend Tsarion's recent Red Ice Interview...Conspiracy and Psychology...
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/12dec/RIR-091203.php

And all vids and lectures from Bruce Lipton.

[seraphim]

First of all I, understand what happens energetically will sooner or later be expressed in the physical. It is because of the divisiveness and abnormal reciprocity and the environment being manipulated as to cause extreme harm that maladies exist in the first place. People who are scared of getting sick will most likely get sick. People who are constantly instilled with fear will create their own illnesses and portray most things and behavior based out of that fear. But it doesn't mean they are born that way.

It's true that a person can be born with damage to their genes and express those traits. But that's physical and not behavioral. Those born from mothers taking drugs have some kind of brain damage, and more likely to turn into a sociopath. (Autism is a more extreme example) But the key is how they are raised, they are alot less likely to turn sociopathic if raised in the right environment and then when they have kids they will be less brain damaged and so the sociopathic trait will even be further diminished. The environment has alot to do with the expression of behavior.
Sadly, it's turning into kill or be killed out there so it's easy to see why people are turning into psychotics, most people have to go along with the environment, it's that powerful.
Domestication and controlling a person has a lot to do with how they turn out or behave as well. People can be trained to do anything, but it's still not in there genes to express that behavior.

But genes do not learn behaviors. After millions of years of being a human and all the generations learning and having specific behaviors, the mind blowing thing is that humans remain animals (in there natural state animals are not psychotic). All that knowledge and learning and behaviors, and astonishingly the most basic, knowing you are even a human is all thrown out the door. What I'm saying is that a human will believe and think it is an animal if raised by an animal, even if there are other people around.

If you can find a being that is born psychotic and every single one of it's species portrays that then it is in there genes, but so far folks have not changed much for millions of years. The establishment will have to tweak a person's genes if they want them to become demons, or sociopathic in nature, because so far the environment hasn't been able to tweak the genes to create that permanent change.


Genes have been strippped of keeping the genes for behavior or knowledge of the self, in other words the gene for awareness. And I agree, I believe they can be highly mutable and morph but that has been taken away.

Yes as for nutrition that is similar, your body will become what you eat, and the intelligent body will try it's best to adapt and keep one alive. But that is a physical trait that gets instilled in the genes. Not behavioral and cannot be expressed in the genes. Something has to happen physically before the genes can change.

I have so much to listen forward to, thanks.
What is cookie monstor trying to say in that picture???

[quicksilvercrescendo]

Are you familiar with the work of Candice Pert and Bruce Lipton?
I suggest you look up Bruce Lipton vids on you tube on how much emotions, feeling states and psychology very much influences genes and their expressions. There is no doubt, in my mind, that these changes upon genes can be passed down to children. But not all genetic hand-me-downs are expressed openly in offspring.

What is cookie monstor trying to say in that picture???

Sometimes you just have to take the pussy.

[seraphim]

I get what you are saying and agree but I was talking about behaviors changing the genes and then that behavior is expressed from then on. It's always the organic, the physical, the energetic (Lightwork and such, we don't even know about) or the environment that does that and that is how a person gets predisposed genetically to express a behavior. It's not the behavior itself that changes the genes.

So in that case a person can't be born a psychopath, unless they are extremely defective, but nature doesn't allow that. Anyone can turn into one though, regardless if they are predisposed to that behavior or not. You don't have to be born with that gene (which likely no one to very few people are born with, because they would kill themselves or others instantly and nature doesn't allow that) to turn into one either. Psychology and all it's tendencies are learned.

I'm still searching under Bruce Lipton research, can't find anything on that, but found some really thought provoking information. I understand that people may be able to change their genes for the better, by thoughts as Dr. Bruce Lipton says, but most of the time we use our thoughts negatively and so the body doesn't heal. The Pleiadians I hear say we can change our own DNA, by activating it somehow, as far out as that seems, it's a possibility. Light seems to have alot to do with that.
He then goes on to say that genes do not control life, meaning we can control our lives from our minds. So we can be whoever we want, a psychopath whatever. But it does not go in the genes, nor do the genes control behavior like I said. So he kind of proves my point. Or am I just thinking too much.

[seraphim]

Dr. Bruce Lipton.
The science of conventional medicine tries to reassure us that none of the phenomena we just described actually exists. That’s because today’s biology textbooks and mass media describe the body and its component cells as machines made of biochemical building blocks.
This perception has programmed the general public to accept the belief in genetic determinism, which is the notion that genes control physical and behavioral traits. This sad interpretation is that our fate is inextricably linked to ancestral characteristics determined by genetic blueprints derived from our parents and their parents and their parent’s parents, ad infinitum. This causes people to believe that they are victims of heredity.

Fortunately, the Human Genome Project (HGP) has pulled the rug out from under conventional science’s beliefs concerning genetic control. This is ironic because it set out to prove the opposite. According to conventional belief, the complexity of a human should require vastly more genes than are found in a simple organism. Surprisingly, the HGP discovered that humans have nearly the same number of genes as lowly animals, a finding that inadvertently reveals a fundamental myth-perception underlying genetic determinism. Science’s pet dogma has long outlived its usefulness and needs to be mercifully put to sleep.
So, if genes do not control life . . . (pause to formulate a mind-blowing question) . . . what does?
The answer is: we do!
Evolving new-edge science reveals that our power to control our lives originates from our minds and is not preprogrammed in our genes.
Nearly every cell in your body has all of the functions present in the entire human body, which means that every cell has its own nervous, digestive, respiratory, musculoskeletal, reproductive, and even immune systems. Because these cells represent the equivalent of a miniature human being, conversely, every human is the equivalent of a colossal cell!

As we will come to see, our mind represents a government that coordinates and integrates the functions of the body’s massive cellular civilization. In the same manner that decisions by a human government regulate its citizens, our mind shapes the character of our cellular community.
Amazing, this explains exactly why a person may experience a unified mind. There can be a one big mind controlling the rest of our minds.
http://www.brucelipton.com/articles/the-world-according-to-new-edge-science/

[KapitanScarlet]

I definetly beleive that "psychology" is directly related to ease or disease

Say, the healthy you are in the immediate vicinity of a "close one" (family or relationship) for a period of time, and that person has dis-ease in whatever fashion, then just like a venn diagram, the energetic spill from both personas interact.

Now if there is an open empathic relationship between the 2 personas , then there is every possibility that the dis-ease will start to ease , as the dis-eased energy is restructured (knots are untied) by the presence and interaction of the ease one

If there is a little "skip" in the empathic relationship, which can happen in cycles between people who are still psychologically developing and / or who spend a lot of time in the same space, then the dis-ease person may improve a little, with the ease person tending a little to dis-ease .

But whever someone is diseased, then their present energy conductance is compromised or "Tarnished" to use the alchemical signifier

If there is a "present" underlying emphatic distance between the 2 beings, then the ease person may be dragged into the dis-ease state , and the dis-ease person may improve in observation of this . THe former occuring because they did not respond to the recognition of compromised empathic alignment , the latter occuring because the diseased had subconsciously invoked a devious energy which takes perverse pleassure in others suffering , and was able to influence into the compromised ease one. These devious energys are just temporary influences that can sprout in the dis-eased psychology , but are very keen travellers

So the interpretation of the present "empathic alignment " is always a signifier in the "quality of present conductor" for energy exchange between 2 beings

One of the first perceptions that manifest when exposed to a new being is "empathy" or its "absence" , which is affected by the way they look to you , by interpretation of the words they express to you and a subconscious underlying intent that they communicate to you, that is psychically perceivable by you.

But the above interpretations of another being can dramatically be muddled by an "enflamed" interactive persona which obstructs the language of the authentic "I" and so people gravitate with other people at the most inappropriate moments, creating the landscape for disease to flourish , when they really should be keeping their distance from that or those very personas .

BUt there are so many societal (psychological) influences set in place that give people propulsion to keep mixing at the wrong times for themselves , they know this from a deep echo , but still do it

another thing is the influence of colour on psychology or biology , ancient wisdoms say that certain colours divert or direct chi to certain organs / areas of the body , or of the psyche

Certain colours feel better on certain days , as do certain mixtures of colours, they almost transmit a certain emotional response in the perceiver .

So people living in built up areas, with no nature expression , its easy to see how they turn to electronic stimulae so readily

[Flames]

Certain colours feel better on certain days , as do certain mixtures of colours, they almost transmit a certain emotional response in the perceiver

Kapis, you're on to something there. The colors green, blue, yellow, and orange (colors more often seen in nature during the seasons of Spring, Summer, Fall) definitely spark an emotional response in me that can't be described. I'd even say that the colors themselves influence energy levels as well.

It's interesting to ponder the main colors associated with Winter: white, black (night), gray. I've often wondered what exactly the beauty is, associated with that color combination. Perhaps those who are genetically and inherently related to a specific climate are more prone to identify emotionally with the colors of that climate, opposed to someone that is a native of.

I have Greek mediterranean blood, and the midwest winters in the states never click with me. When I was in Cancun last Summer, I had never experienced such extremely bright colorful plants in all my life. I wanted to just sit and stare at them for hours.

[seraphim]

Wow, you just explained how a subtle influence affects the physical, couldn't have said it better Kapis. It's so easy to forget them and so important to keep them in mind.
Some great realizations too. I noticed that when I am empathic my energy gets taken, what you said explains why, what a revelation. But if I'm in a different state of mind, say a meditative one and I'm empathic I get lots of energy and it spread to those around me, so there must be some other energy going on too, or else because my perception has changed.
And I for sure agree on the psychology of disease and the imbalances or influences going on. It's interesting to note that one of the most prevailent traits in a sociopath is that they are not empathic and can't really have feelings, so I guess they are the energy suckers huh.
I just read about the phenomena of miasms and how a disease can pass on to the next generation. Will write more on that later.

Flames, colors really do have an affect don't they. I wonder if bright colors make you feel lighter. I remember I never could wear black because it always made me heavy or down, and then later I read because that color absorbs things. But now I can wear that color because in time I let my 'antennae' down and don't pick up on the influence of something that subtle.

[KapitanScarlet]

sitting in minus 8 jack frost ice right now is kinda cosy , although i can still imagine letting sun-baked sand stream through my fingers , cant wait for the sun again in summer.

But although the winters have short grey dark days, they are occassionally interupted with beautiful crisp blue skys and very low sunshine which creates a different hue of blue sky to the summer, cancun sounds inviting


the colour influences have been known for as far back as you go, the human presence is supposed to emit a certain array of colour, and this can change and interact through emotion and vice versa

[Flames]

This thread seems appropriate for this video clip(s).



... and I thought New Zealand would be just a beautiful place to live in...

[tgII]

Thanks, Flames, good vid, keep 'em coming as we expose psychopaths,
because unless we 'cure' them they are definitely going to 'cure' us -
permanently.

Heads up, psychoptahs are getting more attention, the thread for
exposing psychopaths.

• Psychopath - (part 1 of 6)
  
  Psychopath - (part 2 of 6)
  
  Psychopath - (part 3 of 6)
  

Part 3 discusses O.J. Simpson as a psychopath and how he was arrested,
although O.J. Simpson could be a psychopath, I doubt he was guilty of
slicing up his wife.

People better wake up to the fact psychopaths are extremely ruthless
and corporations nurture them, corporations effectively become killing
machines.

Geezuz, "industrial psychopaths!" If psychopaths are not contained
or recognized they will kill us.

[tgII]

In honor of psychopaths, for you, in honor of the deception and terror
you have unleashed on the innocent:

• Psycho Killer - Talking Heads
  

[tgII]

...because we're on the trail of psychopaths.

• 
  "Mommy, what's
  a psychopath?"
  
  
  psychopath
  

[KapitanScarlet]

Addressing questions about the treatment and management of psychopaths will be facilitated by a better understanding of the mechanisms or even metaphysics of psychopathy

Is the psychopath a product of his / her upbringing and conditioning that somehow is locked onto a mindset that actively takes advantage of other minds without a conscience of pity or care for the other minds and takes pleasure in doing so , or is the psychopath driven by some subliminal devious energy that has parasitically attached to their mind

For me to understand the psychopath , i think, requires an understanding of how a personality type develops and also what constitutes a personality in itself and then what also "influences" a personality in itself

Once i have achieved this, i am sure that i will be much closer to an understanding not only of the psychopath but also of the self

Its a big question TGII but somebodys got to answer it in a language of clarity.

BUt certainly by this thread of yours , the understanding should unwind

[KapitanScarlet]

From Doc hAres vid , some mechanics of the psycho , which mirrors onto corporate performance
1.A Grandiose Individual with a powerful sense of self, they feel better and smarter than everyone else
2.Very manipulative
3.Try to mould people to a thing they can use
4.A Predator that trys to groom and put its prey in the right position
5.They lAck empathy
6.They will show remorse if caught doing a crime, but will blamr everyone or thing but themselves
7. They tend to engage in A-Social behaviour from a young age

Then the guy at the end sums up a good point, how some corporate structure is designed to amplify the psychopathic tendency in a being

So that video points out some behaviour traits in psychopaths and suggests that corporations groom them with their structure .

[seraphim]

This is mostly a news thread but doesn't quite go there.
Not really into politics but can't help but try and figure out why the politicians and all those connected with money are bailing out and going hog wild crazy. I think one of the makers are coming. This video isn't new age but very old age and doesn't talk about unity or enlightenment or some kind of following. But really gets to the heart of the matter and explains why people are reacting or behaving as such. Say goodbye to the psychopaths, they won't make it.

The prophecy of old.
http://www.bluestarprophecy.com/
This explains the nine Hopi prophecies and the last one is the next one to come.

A dwelling place in the heavens shall fall with a great crash, it will appear as a blue star, the world will rock to and fro, there will be great destruction. And people will battle those who possess the first light of wisdom. And then Poganghoya (Pohana) will return and the 5th world will start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9qfE8SmOsM

[seraphim]

The realms of the dark mind are fascinating, might be Mr. Poe's influence, so if you like characters such as Hannibal Lector, John Lithgow gives a stellar performance someone similar in season four of Dexter. Finally been able to watch it, am way behind on movies and luckily t.v.
click on season four
http://www.casttv.com/shows/dexter

[tgII]

Taken off the 911 And The Agenda thread and continued here:

So maybe your thoughts about psychopaths perpetually breeding psychopaths is valid, tgII. I think you alluded to something along those lines somewhere in one of your posts?

It's been suggested by others, Flames, at first, it just sounds preposterous,
that certain people would breed for psychopathic traits, but you know, I'm
beginning to awaken from a slow slumber realizing this might be the case.
It is something requiring more research, and it's not like walking up to an
elite corporate banker designing complex derivatives and asking him for a CT
scan of his brain while looking at videos of brutally violent car accidents?

I'm not a professional, I haven't studied this in great detail, only reading what
books I can and looking at the work others are doing in this study, and then
taking a very hard look at what's crashing in around us.

It has gotten so bad that the editors at SOTT.net are putting together what
they are calling a "Project Dystopia:

Project Dystopia

If as some have speculated, that psychopaths are bred for traits, which almost
sounds like Mary Shelly's Frankenstein in some weird way, there is some
evidence to suggest this including this, and note, "a growing discussion":

Are You Involved With A Psychopath?

Michael G. Conner, Psy.D

There is a growing discussion among researchers to suggest there may be a genetic influence that creates a psychopathic personality. The psychopath may lack the ability to physically feel what others identify as the physical sensation of guilt. They can feel fear, anger, sadness in the moment but not guilt for what they did or what they are about to do. Some sociologists believe that a sexually promiscuous psychopath who can live off others is a survivor and may represent one of many genes for survival in the human species.



Even more surprising has been the observation that many adult psychopaths do not seem to benefit from support, counseling or therapy and may in fact commit crimes again and sooner because of it. Research using brain scanning technology has revealed that the brain of a psychopath functions and processes information differently. One famous brain imaging study showed that psychopaths can remain calm looking photos of dead bodies in automobile accidents where as other people were clearly upset. They don't use their brain they way others do. This suggests that they may be physically different from normal people.

Tsarion has been mentioning something lately, that I previously have never considered. He mentioned how these Masonic orders and various secret societies have to filter out good or moral men.

This has been mentioned by others, filtered out would suggest there are
levels of what a psychopath will do before guilt or conscience takes hold.

That really got me thinking about this. If one is already predisposed to being a psychopath through genetic inheritance, it could be safe to say that the potential psychopath going through the various degree systems would experience less stress, dis-ease, dealing with immoral decisions as they climb the elitist ladder.

No doubt, but don't forget, I get the feeling by observing a lot of this
structure, that we haven't seen the level of criminal activity going on
hidden from the public, i.e., blackmailing, extortion, racketeering, political
hits, intimidation, assassinations and outright murder, more than we even
care to think about goes on all the time. People, including those with
psychopathic traits, in many cases are cuaghut up in much of this and
have no way out.

Now, if a moral man who may not be genetically predisposed to psychopathy decides to arise through the elitist ladder, at some point must he make a conscious choice to become a psychopath in order to climb up the hierarchy? If it is true that a 50% factor is non genetic, obviously that could account for social influence, or mind control/programming influencing one to become a psychopath.

I don't think most psychopaths go to great detrimental extremes, there has
to be a certain amount of nurturing going on here, take a system like the one
where civilization is based on money, those with a better intellect, cunning
and raw power, all traits of a psychopath, have taken advantage of their
surroundings fairly well. Where does that leave the rest of us, hell, I
couldn't sell a bucket of oats to a friggin' hungry horse if I had to?!

And then if they are nurtured, what part does genetics and brain structure
play in this, the problems only become worse. Take a look around.

This makes me wonder what sort of spiritual factors are related to all of this, because free will allows one to become pretty much whatever they want. I don't understand a lot of the ritual rites that are performed by secret societies, but I think I'm going to start looking at them more seriously from now on.

Good point, part of nurturing I guess, every time you meet or have contact
with another person, the only thing on my mind is, can this person be a
psychopath?

• Whatever agreement or pact one makes in becoming initiated could have extreme spiritual consequences on the individual. I would imagine the ritual priests would know this. I have a lot of work to do in understanding how rituals are performed.
  
  Maybe it's possible for one to become ritualistically indoctrinated into a psychopath. I say that because, I see no other way a conscious moral man could rise up the elitist ladder. Just some speculative thoughts.

Peter Lavenda has been instrumental in my understanding, remember
Jeffery Dahmer, Peter Lavenda described him as a "shaman who never
made it back."

A man with conscious, or woman, won't make it, very rarely in the history
of the world has it been accomplished with any lasting benefit, they are
dragged out into the street, crucified, nailed to trees, assassinated,
shunned, burned at the stake and disemboweled.

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