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We serve the corporate structures of the City of London.

I've noticed you have been mentioning that a lot lately, TG. It does sound like the cat is out of the bag. Everywhere I turn, I have been reading about England being involved in all of this. Be it the Fabian society, The Royal Family, the Atonist (Egyptian) angle of it, as described by MTSAR, and of course freemasonry. Sounds like they are all one and the same. It seems like it never ends with these guys.

Here is something that has been confusing me for a few years now. What exactly is the role of the Vatican in all of this? I ask because, I hear so many conflicting opinions. The Williams guy suggested in that interview that somehow there is an England + Vatican link. I've heard that before, but I don't know the history there. TG, was it you who said that England infiltrated the Vatican at some point in history? Maybe it was someone else, can't remember. It's also well known and documented the Nazi infiltration of the Vatican pre- WWII, as presented by authors Joseph Farrell, and Lavenda, among many others.

Concerning Vatican involvement with London, is this a Jesuit thing, or is controlled directly at the top from the Pope. The Vatican have always confused the shit out of me in all of this. I also can't seem to quite understand the whole "it's not the Catholics, it's the Zionists" argument that goes on and on.

I know we've discussed this over and over via the old forum, and from what I have gathered, the Zionist faction of the Anglo-American elite has to do with the Rothchilde family (banking and finance), is this correct? No one seems to be in agreement about that. It sounds to me like all of the above mentioned are in on the know on some level. But I agree with you, London seems to be the basis of all of the planning and execution of this whole world dis-order.

That's quite a can of worms. But I've been thinking about this a lot. Hell, I haven't even mentioned the post war Nazis. I've spent the last year, just studying that subject alone.

One more thing that I keep forgetting to talk about in here. In Farrell's latest book: Babylon's Banksters, he spent a great deal of time talking about something that blew my mind. He mentioned in no uncertain terms, that the racial stalk that we know as "Italian" are not genetically linked to that people of the Roman empire at all. Instead the people of Italy are of Babylonian racial stalk.

It will take me forever to cite his whole case here, I could try that later. Anyway, I found that to be intriguing. Apparently, this view has been shared by Italian academia, and has been well known for some time now.

He goes on to say, that when the Roman empire brought slaves back to Rome from Babylon, the Babylonian plebeians began to quickly outgrow the Roman gene pool, as many of the Romans died in combat, yet the Babylonians were free to procreate. He then goes on to say, that The Venetians were of this Babylonian heritage and religion. In his view, it is the Babylonian race and religion that has infiltrated Europe, and he states that basically the Rothchilde family, claim their lineage to Babylon and directly to Nimrod. Half man/Half god.

Though it is difficult to prove, I personally believe, after all of my own research (basically compiling the research of people much smarter than I am), that it is the Rothchilde banking family alone, that is at the very top of the pyramid of power, on this Earth.

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• I've noticed you have been mentioning that a lot lately, TG. It does sound like the cat is out of the bag. Everywhere I turn, I have been reading about England being involved in all of this. Be it the Fabian society, The Royal Family, the Atonist (Egyptian) angle of it, as described by MTSAR, and of course freemasonry. Sounds like they are all one and the same. It seems like it never ends with these guys.

Huge complicated subject, Flames, I have turned completely
around in my thinking. The British Empire did not disappear, it
is still very much a huge player in what's happening today.

I don't believe he Catholic Church to be a big player in any of
this and have recently come to learn the Crown/City of London
dictates to the Vatican.

The Rothschild's are only there because that is the Jewish end of the
bargain and the Israelis are paying a huge price for this. There are
bloodline families extremely more influential and powerful than the
Rothschild's.

Always look at the economic catalyst for everything happening in
the world today, not the church, not the Jews, not the Catholics,
it always comes down to looking carefully at the economic/financial
interests. For example, why the hell would Robert Ross burn down
every building in Washington in the War of 1812 between Britain
and the United States except the U.S. Patent Office?

This would be a good start, why did he leave the patent
office standing?

Complicated, indeed.

Always look at the economic catalyst for everything happening in
the world today

You are definitely right. The money makers who create money out of a black hole of debt, and use it to fund wars, and make or break nations. These psychopaths are undeniably present through out history. It is their false form of alchemy. Bringing 'something' (debt issued as money) into existence out of nothing (thin air), and creating a fake reality to the debt slave, that they issue the money to. It is a complete magic trick, and it has always worked.

You know, TG, I was thinking earlier...

Sometimes I wonder whether it is even safe or sane for one to even study such complex stuff as the material, all of us are into here, alone.

Pretty much all of my research support comes from you guys here, and a few people from the old forum, the old days. I once contacted a local "9-11 truther", I discovered online, a couple of years ago, to form a sort of local research group to meet and share ideas with. I simply wanted to find out if anyone around here was interested in digging into the more occulted stuff of religion, ancient history, and so on.

This guy was hell bent on "waking" everybody up about 9-11. Long story short, it never became to be, as he was too uncomfortable acknowledging all of the occult, esoteric, secret society stuff. So in my local area, we still have people stuck in 9-11, debating whether or not "W" had anything to do with it. Never once taking a step back and analyzing the more profound stuff, missing the point of everything altogether.

"Sometimes I wonder whether it is even safe or sane for one to even study such complex stuff as the material, all of us are into here, alone."

What to do when almost everyone you talk to about anything in regards to something you may consider to be truly meaningful gives you the "blank stare" or the "I know everything already" look?
I took some very interesting photos of the skies out in the north west on a recent visit. I stayed up there for almost 2 months. I go there occasionally to visit, but this time was much more...uhm...eventful.
The pictures I took are of supposed "chemtrails" and also, I took some stellar pics of a rainbow ring around the sun during midday. So I showed these to a few people, but it never really went much farther than that. Not one single genuine interest or even semi-intelligent response. Oh and the ones who know it all already aren't interested in any other possibilities or theories concerning what this phenomenon might actually be.
So what to do...well sometimes I still sulk or am dumbstruck myself by the apathy.
Then I get to thinking about it and I do wonder if looking into these things is worth the frustrations or the avoidance from friends and family if I have something to say...shh..."conspiratorial".
This usually leads to a re-evaluation and very soon I begin researching anew. I wonder if this friction somehow reassures me that I am doing what I really want to do.

As far as it being "dangerous"...what do you define as being dangerous to you? Do you mean like as the teacher is a threat kind or some black suited men outside your window or something even more profound?

I also want to say thanks for the excellent links you all