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Walking home from the gym and was wondering how america would defend the hundreds/thousands of miles of north american continent coastline from a possible chinese/soviet navy invasion.
What would happen to british columbia canada in particular. Because if california/oregon/washington were being landed i dont think america could offer much help to guard the hundreds of miles of coast of canadas western province.
Wouldn't western canada fall in a matter of days with its population genocided, and need to be retook by later UN forces? that is if world war 3 doesnt involve india, pakistan iran + others hitting europe from their own side of things. How many countries could potentially be involved to fight on the side that is against the EU and america?
Does TG or anyone have any idea of the easts offensive strength to take the western coast of north america. naval strength, tactics used to circumvent american defensive strength. success rates, civilian death number probability. willingness of the eastern countries willingness to sacrificice hundreds of thousands of soldiers just to take objectives etc.
I know the chinese army has over a million soldiers.
what is the skinny, or the fatty, on what is to be expected?
What would happen to british columbia canada in particular. Because if california/oregon/washington were being landed i dont think america could offer much help to guard the hundreds of miles of coast of canadas western province.
Wouldn't western canada fall in a matter of days with its population genocided, and need to be retook by later UN forces? that is if world war 3 doesnt involve india, pakistan iran + others hitting europe from their own side of things. How many countries could potentially be involved to fight on the side that is against the EU and america?
Does TG or anyone have any idea of the easts offensive strength to take the western coast of north america. naval strength, tactics used to circumvent american defensive strength. success rates, civilian death number probability. willingness of the eastern countries willingness to sacrificice hundreds of thousands of soldiers just to take objectives etc.
I know the chinese army has over a million soldiers.
what is the skinny, or the fatty, on what is to be expected?
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First strike: that Chinese/Russian invasion would probably be met by a devastating missile
barrage from the contingent of US Navy nuclear submarines patrolling the oceans. The
incoming ships would light up every early warning system as soon as they departed China
and Russian territorial waters.
The Chinese do not have a logistical fleet capable of transporting that many soldiers across
two oceans where in America alone there are roughly 60-70 million gun owners who would
resist them every step of the way. Americans would have a field day picking off Chinese as
they rumble across American highways in shit built transportation.
WWIII is the proxy war now being viciously fought in Syria. NATO is neutralized and if
NATO does send in fighters like they did in Libya, NATO does not know at this point how
Vladimir Putin will react.
Sleep well tonight highnoon, the chances of an invasion of Canada are about as remote
as me going to the moon.
barrage from the contingent of US Navy nuclear submarines patrolling the oceans. The
incoming ships would light up every early warning system as soon as they departed China
and Russian territorial waters.
The Chinese do not have a logistical fleet capable of transporting that many soldiers across
two oceans where in America alone there are roughly 60-70 million gun owners who would
resist them every step of the way. Americans would have a field day picking off Chinese as
they rumble across American highways in shit built transportation.
WWIII is the proxy war now being viciously fought in Syria. NATO is neutralized and if
NATO does send in fighters like they did in Libya, NATO does not know at this point how
Vladimir Putin will react.
Sleep well tonight highnoon, the chances of an invasion of Canada are about as remote
as me going to the moon.
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China has "invaded" the US long time ago, ROFL....
and I don't think the Chinese really believe they ever get the money the US ows them back.
The only thing in the US that is still operational and working is the Military complex, but it's not able to "invade" Russia or China either.
NATO's decisions regarding the Anti-Missile-shield have made Russia to put up a USD-600-billion fund to upgrade 85 percent of its strategic nuclear weapons arsenal and up to 70 percent of its defensive aerospace weapons by 2020.
Let's see who goes broke first this time ;-)
and I don't think the Chinese really believe they ever get the money the US ows them back.
The only thing in the US that is still operational and working is the Military complex, but it's not able to "invade" Russia or China either.
NATO's decisions regarding the Anti-Missile-shield have made Russia to put up a USD-600-billion fund to upgrade 85 percent of its strategic nuclear weapons arsenal and up to 70 percent of its defensive aerospace weapons by 2020.
Let's see who goes broke first this time ;-)
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NATO's decisions regarding the Anti-Missile-shield have made Russia to put up a USD-600-billion fund to upgrade 85 percent of its strategic nuclear weapons arsenal and up to 70 percent of its defensive aerospace weapons by 2020.
"Holy crap, why didn't I see that?!"
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Well, the world certainly seems to be in a position now of being directed into WWIII.
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This is why the banks and markets steal and suck up all the money and collapse the economy...so they have extensive reserves in the build-up and conflict of another WW and to impoverish the common man so he has no choice but to work for the military.
The real plan is the restructuring of the world after the World War...with the goal of "Zion".
The real plan is the restructuring of the world after the World War...with the goal of "Zion".
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re: WWIII speculation as the UK moves to encircle Iran.
It appears the UK is moving British hardware and troops into the region through
UAE to encircle Iran.
It is Saudi Arabia's petrodollars that are fueling this coming war with Iran.
It appears the UK is moving British hardware and troops into the region through
UAE to encircle Iran.
It is Saudi Arabia's petrodollars that are fueling this coming war with Iran.
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/23/279711/syria-militants-use-chemical-weapons/
(CNN) -- Syria has consolidated its chemical weapons into one of two locations from its usual places scattered across the country, Russia's foreign minister said Saturday.
The move comes as unrest in the country extends to nearly two years, with rebels making gains recently.
"As of right now... the [Syrian] government is doing all it can to safeguard those weapons," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, according to Russia's RIA Novosti news agency.
"We are following all leads concerning chemical weapons," the foreign minister said, adding that the consolidation was a measure to assuage fears that such weapons could end up in "the wrong hands," the agency reported.
The Syrian civil war has claimed more than 40,000 lives and has seized the attention of world powers for months because of the relentless brutality and the specter of the Syrian government mulling the use of chemical weapons.
Syria denies it has such weapons and says it would not use them even if it did.
Across Syria, 143 people were killed Saturday, the opposition Local Coordination Committees said, including 75 in Damascus and its suburbs. CNN could not independently verify those numbers.
The powerful car bomb blew off the facade of nearby buildings and spilled debris as residents tried to assess the damage. State-run television blamed "terrorists" -- the term it uses for the rebels -- for the attack.
The Syrian civil war started in March 2011 when a government crackdown on civilian demonstrators morphed into a fight between the regime and rebels.
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re: CNN source.
The fact of the matter is, on the ground in Syria the Syrian Army is kicking the shit
out of the SFA, and on the internet they are totally compromised.
The stupid bastards blew up a "bakery" killing around forty people, makes about the
fourth or fifth "bakery" now (garnishes sympathy and anger for all those poor Syrians
standing in line for bread in world public opinion) and the stupid bastards accidentally
filmed one of the Jihadis throwing freshly baked bread around the scene to make it
appear it was a "bakery" that was bombed by the Syrian Air Force.
If it was a bomb that hit that "bakery" the entire block would have been turned into
powered clay dust.
This appeared shortly later on the same LiveLeak I have been posting counter
intelligence on against the SFA.
My prayers and Godspeed to the Syrian Army and keep them safe as they kill everyone
of those Islamic Jihadi Allah Akabar ranting mercenaries they can.
The fact of the matter is, on the ground in Syria the Syrian Army is kicking the shit
out of the SFA, and on the internet they are totally compromised.
The stupid bastards blew up a "bakery" killing around forty people, makes about the
fourth or fifth "bakery" now (garnishes sympathy and anger for all those poor Syrians
standing in line for bread in world public opinion) and the stupid bastards accidentally
filmed one of the Jihadis throwing freshly baked bread around the scene to make it
appear it was a "bakery" that was bombed by the Syrian Air Force.
If it was a bomb that hit that "bakery" the entire block would have been turned into
powered clay dust.
This appeared shortly later on the same LiveLeak I have been posting counter
intelligence on against the SFA.
My prayers and Godspeed to the Syrian Army and keep them safe as they kill everyone
of those Islamic Jihadi Allah Akabar ranting mercenaries they can.
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I would have to say that I have become completely numb to the entire middle east conflict going on.
I have a general idea of the players and the potential endgame, but all the info-disinfo along the way makes for a good headache.
Regarding the endgame, those that matter have passes to the underground bunkers and cities.
I have a general idea of the players and the potential endgame, but all the info-disinfo along the way makes for a good headache.
Regarding the endgame, those that matter have passes to the underground bunkers and cities.
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re: the pompous Van Rompuy in the video.
Because the pompous Jesuit-educated Van Rompuy knows there is a final show down
coming with Russia and he is sending out a warning. The proxy war against Russia
unfolding in Syria is about to go hot.
If the terrorist Jihadis unleashed on Syria start capturing and worst of all executing
Russians look for diplomatic retaliation.
I am trying to find the detailed video narrative describing in military terms Russian
armament moving into position through Armenia.
Herman Van Rompuy: we zijn allemaal Jezuieten (translation: We are all Jesuits.)
Read this. It is highly provocative and insightful on how the Jesuits are moving into
positions to bring all this about.
Derk-Jan Eppink is a Jesuit.
Nigel Farage reacts to the Jesuit-controlled EU. Nigel really fucks with the Jesuit
Rompuy in this clip. One year ago but still just as relevant.
Because the pompous Jesuit-educated Van Rompuy knows there is a final show down
coming with Russia and he is sending out a warning. The proxy war against Russia
unfolding in Syria is about to go hot.
If the terrorist Jihadis unleashed on Syria start capturing and worst of all executing
Russians look for diplomatic retaliation.
I am trying to find the detailed video narrative describing in military terms Russian
armament moving into position through Armenia.
Herman Van Rompuy: we zijn allemaal Jezuieten (translation: We are all Jesuits.)
Read this. It is highly provocative and insightful on how the Jesuits are moving into
positions to bring all this about.
Derk-Jan Eppink is a Jesuit.
Nigel Farage reacts to the Jesuit-controlled EU. Nigel really fucks with the Jesuit
Rompuy in this clip. One year ago but still just as relevant.
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That article demands to be posted in full...
We are all Jesuits
Derk-Jan Eppink // Wed, 10. Oct 2012
There are plenty of reasons to keep a close eye on Herman van Rompuy, the President of the European Council. Early September, Van Rompuy spoke to the 'Interreligious Dialogue' in Florence. The world press did not notice, but fortunately there was still the 'Katholiek Nieuwsblad' from Den Bosch, Rome's last resort in the Netherlands. The newspaper proudly quoted Van Rompuy as announcing: 'We are all Jesuits'. He was referring to those prominent European leaders with whom he is developing the architecture for the future Europe. 'It creates unbreakable ties. So there is a 'Jesuits International''.
Who are those people that Van Rompuy, himself schooled by the Jesuits at Sint-Jan Berchman College in Brussels, was talking about? First of all, there is José Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission. Secondly, there is Jean-Claude Juncker, Prime minister of Luxembourg and Chairman of the Euro group. Van Rompuy also mentions the President of the European Central Bank (ECB), Mario Draghi, who was schooled in the Roman Jesuit College Instituto Massimiliano Massimo. The Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti and his Spanish collegue Mariano Rajoy have also been shaped by Jesuit colleges, Van Rompuy cheerfully added. Fortunately there is Angela Merkel, the stubborn daughter of a vicar from the former DDR, to act as a counterweight.
Listening to Van Rompuy, you will instantly notice the similarities of the Jesuits with Europe. Jesuits formed the vanguard of the Catholic Church, like the European elite is the vanguard of the European integration. Both portray themselves as 'the elite', elevated above the ordinary people. Their methods are very similar. A sophisticated lie or purposeful deception is allowed when framed in the interest of the greater goal. A barely contained cynicism typifies the attitude toward the normal citizen, the ignorant fool, who within a democracy needs to be protected from himself. The Catholic and European elites work through inner circles. The rest is prose. Van Rompuy, Barroso, Monti and Rajoy are frequent visitors at papal audiences.
It is not surprising that this mentality leaves traces in the European structures and working methods. The ECB has a Governing Council of twenty three members, among which are the six members of the Executive Board. The ECB setup is hardly different from the Vatican. The Governing Council ranks no women, is not accountable to a Parliament and the minutes of its meetings are classified. The American Federal Reserve Bank and the Bank of Japan have to publish the minutes from their board meetings. The ECB plays a central role in the Euro zone, moving around billions of Euros, but no one knows how the bank in Frankfurt makes decisions. At least the Pope had a butler exposing the secrets.
Admittedly, Euro Jesuits are intellectually superior. They are way smarter than Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the Liberal fraction in the European Parliament and his Green counterpart Daniel Cohn-Bendit. In their book ‘For Europe!’ they scream their goals at the top of their lungs: a federal Europe with one government, one European tax and one army. The only thing that is missing is one secret service and one leader, so Europe is back to where it started. Put this to a referendum and the ‘United States of Europe’ is limited to Italy and Belgium.
Even sillier is the ‘final report’ of a handful of Ministers of Foreign Affairs on the future of Europe. The report is signed by eleven out of the twenty seven Member States; a minority, among them the Netherlands. The usual suspect, the UK, did not sign and neither did Sweden or Finland. Of the new Member States, only Poland signed. The conclusion of the group: ‘The Euro is the most powerful symbol of European integration’. The many rescue operations and emergency funds are conveniently ignored. Some amongst the eleven Ministers (it is not clear which ones) argue in favour of a European army. Such an army will undoubtedly be a paper tiger, because the armies of the Euro countries are shrinking rapidly as a result of the crisis. Surprisingly, Greece spends the most on its military per capita! Yet Greece did not sign. In short, these eleven ministers, like a disoriented soccer team, excel at scoring in their own net.
That is something that would never happen to the Euro Jesuits. Their report ‘Toward a genuine Economic and Monetary Union’ only consists of ‘building blocks’ and ‘suggestions’. The report suggests implementing a European deposit guarantee scheme. Nothing dramatic of course, it is just a suggestion. In a painless exercise of words citizens are moulded into a thinking process that goes beyond them. As soon as they realise what building those building blocks are meant to create, they are already trapped in it. What used to be suggestions will be fait accompli and those who object are labelled as unreasonable and fractious, as populists.
Meanwhile, the never elected Prime Minister Monti has announced that he will start a European campaign against ‘populism’. Van Rompuy, also never elected, immediately gave him his support. Monti had earlier stated that national parliaments should not get in the way of European leaders, thereby referring to the German Bundestag. They have to be ‘educated’. Jesuits lead the people, who are in turn supposed to follow. What is populism to them? It is the ‘ignorent’ who refuses to follow: the angry Greeks, the protesting Spaniards, the concerned Germans and the Euro-critical Dutch. A Europe with such an elitist mentality needs a Reformation, but that is something Jesuits International detests. What an annoying populist he was, that Martin Luther!
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Right, I would like to at some point go through this article and detail it even more
with images and links; personalize it for everyone. Also, my mistake, I don't think
the man who wrote it, Derk-Jan Eppink, is a Jesuit. I have to go back through this
material and read it more carefully.
with images and links; personalize it for everyone. Also, my mistake, I don't think
the man who wrote it, Derk-Jan Eppink, is a Jesuit. I have to go back through this
material and read it more carefully.
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“Wiping Countries Off the Map”: Who’s Failing the “Failed States”
Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research
Dec 31, 2012
“Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran’s President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, “Israel must be wiped off the map”. Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, …” (Arash Norouzi, Wiped off The Map: The Rumor of the Century January 2007)
“The United States has attacked, directly or indirectly, some 44 countries throughout the world since August 1945, a number of them many times. The avowed objective of these military interventions has been to effect “regime change”. The cloaks of “human rights” and of “democracy” were invariably evoked to justify what were unilateral and illegal acts." (Professor Eric Waddell, The United States’ Global Military Crusade (1945- ), Global Research, February 2007
“This is a [Pentagon] memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” (General Wesley Clark, Democracy Now, March 2, 2007)
Washington is in the “business of destroying” a very long list of countries.
Who is “Wiping Countries off the Map”? Iran or the United States?
During a period which is euphemistically called the “post-war era” –extending from 1945 to the present–, the US has directly or indirectly attacked more than 40 countries.
While the tenets of US foreign policy are predicated on the “spread of democracy”, US interventionism –through military means and covert operations– has resulted in the outright destabilization and partition of sovereign nations.
Destroying countries is part of a US Imperial project, a process of global domination. Moreover, according to official sources, the US has a total of 737 military bases in foreign countries. (2005 data)
The Notion of “Failed States”
The Washington based National Intelligence Council (NIC) in its Global Trends report (December 2012) “predicts” that 15 countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East will become “failed states” by 2030, due to their “potential for conflict and environmental ills”.
The list of countries in the 2012 NIC report includes Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Mali, Kenya, Burundi, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Somalia, DR Congo, Malawi, Haiti, Yemen.
In its previous 2005 report, published at the outset of Bush’s second term, the National Intelligence Council had predicted that Pakistan would become a “failed’ state” by 2015 “as it will be affected by civil war, complete Talibanisation and struggle for control of its nuclear weapons”.
Pakistan was compared to Yugoslavia which was carved up into seven proxy states after a decade of US-NATO sponsored “civil wars”.
The NIC forecast for Pakistan was a “Yugoslav-like fate” in a “country riven by civil war, bloodshed and inter-provincial rivalries” (Energy Compass, 2 March 2005).
While the failed states are said to “serve as safehavens for political and religious extremists” (p. 143), the report does not acknowledge the fact that the US and its allies have, since the 1970s, provided covert support to religious extremist organizations as a means to destabilize sovereign secular nation states. Both Pakistan and Afghanistan were secular states in the 1970s.
A Yugoslav or Somalia-style “failed state status” is not the result of internal social divisions, it is a strategic objective implemented through covert operations and military action.
The Washington based Fund for Peace, whose mandate is to promote “sustainable security through research”, publishes (annually) a “Failed States Index” based on a risk assessment. Thirty three countries (included in the Alert and Warm categories) are identified as “failed states”.
According to the Fund for Peace, the “failed states” are also “targets for Al Qaeda linked terrorists”
“The annual ranking of nations by the Fund for Peace/Foreign Policy for failing/fragile-state trouble-signs comes as international alarm grows about al-Qaeda-linked extremists setting up astate-based sanctuary in northern Mali for jihadi expansion.”
Needless to say, the history of Al Qaeda as a US intelligence asset, its role in creating factional divisions and instability in the Middle East, Central Asia and sub-Saharan Africa are not mentioned. The activities of the jihadist Al Qaeda units in most of these countries are part of a diabolical covert intelligence agenda.
“Weaker” and “Failed States”: A Threat to America
In a twist logic, “weaker failed states”, according to the US Congress, are said to constitute a threat to the security of the US. The latter includes “several threats emanating from states that are variously described as weak, fragile, vulnerable, failing, precarious, failed, in crisis, or collapsed“.
As the Cold War concluded in the early 1990s, analysts became aware of an emerging international security environment, in which weak and failing states became vehicles for transnational organized crime, nuclear proliferation pathways, and hot spots for civil conflict and humanitarian emergencies. The potential U.S. national security threats weak and failing states pose became further apparent with Al Qaeda’s September 11, 2001, attack on the United States, which Osama bin Laden masterminded from the safe haven that Afghanistan provided. The events of 9/11 prompted President George W. Bush to claim in the 2002 U.S. National Security Strategy that “weak states, like Afghanistan, can pose as great a danger to our national interests as strong states.” (Weak and Failing States: Evolving Security, Threats and U.S. Policy, CRS Report for the US Congress, Washington, 2008)
What is not mentioned in this Congressional CRS report is that the “hot spots of organized crime and civilian conflict” are the result of US covert intelligence operations.
Amply documented, the Afghan drug economy which generates over 90 percent of the World’s supply of heroin is tied into a multibillion dollar money laundering operation involving major financial institutions. The drug trade out of Afghanistan is protected by the CIA and US-NATO occupation forces.
Syria: Categorized as a “Failed State”
The atrocities committed against the Syrian population by the US-NATO sponsored Free Syrian Army (FSA) create conditions which favor sectarian warfare.
Sectarian extremism favors the breakup of Syria as a Nation State as well as the demise of the central government in Damascus.
Washington’s foreign policy objective is to transform Syria into what the National Intelligence Council (NIC) calls a “failed state”.
Regime change implies maintaining a central government. As the Syrian crisis unfolds, the endgame is no longer “regime change” but the partition and destruction of Syria as a Nation State.
The US-NATO-Israel strategy is to divide the country up into three weak states. Recent media reports intimate that if Bashar Al Assad “refuses to step down”, “the alternative is a failed state like Somalia.”
One possible ”break-up scenario” reported by the Israeli press would be the formation of separate and “independent” Sunni, Alawite-Shiite, Kurdish and Druze states.
According to Major-General Yair Golan of Israel’s IDF “Syria is in civil war, which will lead to a failed state, and terrorism will blossom in it.” The Israel Defence Forces are currently analyzing “how Syria would break up”, according to Major General Golan (Reuters, May31, 2012)
In November, United Nations peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi intimated that Syria could become “A New Somalia” ,… “warning of a scenario in which warlords and militia fill a void left by a collapsed state.” (Reuters, November 22, 2012)
”What I am afraid of is worse … the collapse of the state and that Syria turns into a new Somalia.”
“I believe that if this issue is not dealt with correctly, the danger is ‘Somalisation’ and not partition: the collapse of the state and the emergence of warlords, militias and fighting groups.” (Ibid)
What the UN envoy failed to mention is that the breakup of Somalia, was deliberate. It was part of a covert US military and intelligence agenda, which is now being applied to several targeted countries in the Middle East, Africa and Asia, which are categorized as “failed states”.
The central question is: who is failing the failed states? Who is “Taking them Out”?
The planned break-up of Syria as a sovereign state is part of an integrated regional military and intelligence agenda which includes Lebanon, Iran and Pakistan. According to the “predictions” of the National Intelligence Council, the breakup of Pakistan is slated to occur in the course of the next three years.
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the obvious question to congress is hey pups, how come were pleading broke as a nation when weve plundered 44 countries in the last 50 years, wheres all the booty gone
Answer = into private bank accounts off-shore
Round them all up, get a committeee going and round up all these cowboy corporate ass lickin peddlars in suits
Answer = into private bank accounts off-shore
Round them all up, get a committeee going and round up all these cowboy corporate ass lickin peddlars in suits
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re: Russian perspective regarding the potential for WWIII
America begins setting up Patriot missies systems right in the middle of all that
intense Islamic fundamentalist fractionalization in Turkey.
Even the name "Patriot", an American preoccupation (and aberration) in the
middle of that area of the world pointed right at Iran?
America begins setting up Patriot missies systems right in the middle of all that
intense Islamic fundamentalist fractionalization in Turkey.
Even the name "Patriot", an American preoccupation (and aberration) in the
middle of that area of the world pointed right at Iran?
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re: the grand final before Henry Kissinger dies will be kicking off WWIII
Pay attention to what the experts on war and geo-political strategy are saying.
Henry Kissinger works for the crown by the way.
Pay attention to what the experts on war and geo-political strategy are saying.
Henry Kissinger works for the crown by the way.
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Looking at the amount of investment thats gone into quatar, bahrain, Dubai in recent years, theres massive western and eastern money invested in these places and beyond, i cant see any ww3 ever occuring
Syria is interesting for the moment, but the odds are that it will soon be assimilated into the capitalism imperial opium fed onslaught footprint like most of its neighbours
I even see Iran as eventually buckling into western mindset capitalist hedonistic orgastic psychic opium frenzy from within, the youth of iran are hot on the web and only the most fanatical will not eventually be seduced by the promise of western "freedom" sex drugs and rock n roll and our new unofficial TECHNO-RELIGION of which i even hooked myself ... its so gooood China Too , they are all most welcome to the upcoming world orgastic frenzy, and cant really resist , the countrys leaders will have to buckle to the peoples demand with the media-mad world covering every pixel as it capixulates
Capitalism has already exceeded its boundaries in the west and morphed into an undercover private dictatorship , but these other newbie capitalists to be will have to go through the hoops of temptation to truly experience this fact themselfs in their souls, the leading western countries citizens are mostly now zombified on pharma
i think were going to see a lot more arabian millionaires flaunting their wealth around the globe along with their asian and russian counterparts in their western fraters playgrounds like marbella and cannes and london all gathering together on giant yaghts or mansions for extended inter-racial sex orgys celebrating and dedicated to their very own channeled space entity beamed through live on the giant wall mounted UN oled flatscreen on which they end the overnights debauchery with a telefacial
But i could be wrong , but will never know as we all will b moondust TG (:
Footnote- Just a bit of Frustrasion releasing satire on my part TG , your time and efforts in posting are most appreciated and will keep in touch with them as and can
Syria is interesting for the moment, but the odds are that it will soon be assimilated into the capitalism imperial opium fed onslaught footprint like most of its neighbours
I even see Iran as eventually buckling into western mindset capitalist hedonistic orgastic psychic opium frenzy from within, the youth of iran are hot on the web and only the most fanatical will not eventually be seduced by the promise of western "freedom" sex drugs and rock n roll and our new unofficial TECHNO-RELIGION of which i even hooked myself ... its so gooood China Too , they are all most welcome to the upcoming world orgastic frenzy, and cant really resist , the countrys leaders will have to buckle to the peoples demand with the media-mad world covering every pixel as it capixulates
Capitalism has already exceeded its boundaries in the west and morphed into an undercover private dictatorship , but these other newbie capitalists to be will have to go through the hoops of temptation to truly experience this fact themselfs in their souls, the leading western countries citizens are mostly now zombified on pharma
i think were going to see a lot more arabian millionaires flaunting their wealth around the globe along with their asian and russian counterparts in their western fraters playgrounds like marbella and cannes and london all gathering together on giant yaghts or mansions for extended inter-racial sex orgys celebrating and dedicated to their very own channeled space entity beamed through live on the giant wall mounted UN oled flatscreen on which they end the overnights debauchery with a telefacial
But i could be wrong , but will never know as we all will b moondust TG (:
Footnote- Just a bit of Frustrasion releasing satire on my part TG , your time and efforts in posting are most appreciated and will keep in touch with them as and can
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Looking at the amount of investment thats gone into quatar, bahrain, Dubai in recent years, theres massive western and eastern money invested in these places and beyond, i cant see any ww3 ever occuring
That will not be touched because that is the New Babylon that is now being built.
And Jerusalem is where the rebuilt temple is to be constructed...so that will not be destroyed either.
From Phelps...
NATO in Green; Russian Federation in Orange, 2012 (Russia is not part of NATO!)
Remembering the high-level, Satan-worshipping Jesuits are the masters of contingency—as are all epic military generals, it is important a terse review be given of potential scenarios most likely to occur. We must think dialectically, comprehending several trains of thought simultaneously that we may arrive at the right conclusion of the present martial Hegelian Dialect controlled by the Jesuit Superior General from his war room, Borgo Santo Spirito, in Rome.
In beginning, we must identify the specific parties to the coming global conflict. In the socialist-fascist AXIS arena are the world’s two foremost, Jesuit-created empires. First is the pope’s “Holy Roman” 14th Amendment, cartel-corporate, socialist-fascist, socialist-communist, de facto American Empire, the de jure government of the 14th Amendment American “National” Republic founded in 1868 having been cleverly replaced with a de facto Emergency War Powers government by an executive order of that wicked Masonic president, Commander-in-Chief FDR, on March 6, 1933. The Jesuits, ruling their diabolical American empire, have subjugated the empire’s multi-racial, multi-national, multi-religious populations into fighting papal crusades as well as paying for those crusades via commercial slavery/income-excise taxation, while its de facto Emergency War Powers government wages ceaseless war (from the Spanish-American War of 1898 to the present) in restoring the pope’s political Temporal Power around the world.
The Second AXIS power is fascist NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) founded after the pope’s Second Thirty Years’ War (1914-1945) during which the world’s foremost White Protestant European nations—Germany and Great Britain—(as well as White Orthodox Russia) first annihilated the flower of their White Protestant manhood and power of their White Protestant geopolitical empires (WWI). Jesuit temporal coadjutors on both sides then implemented the Black Pope’s coup d’ grace, namely, the calculated mass-rape and murder of Germany’s White Protestant civilians (no matter how many Roman Catholics perished!) culminating in the death of “heretic” White Protestant Prussia (WWII)! Hence, the pope’s de facto American Empire (t0 include Canada and Mexico in the North American Union) and NATO are the AXIS powers presently united and yet to be unleashed against “infidel” Shia Iran.
White Protestant British Empire in Red, 1897
White Protestant Prussia's German Empire, 1871
In the socialist-communist ALLIED corner are the world’s two emerging, Jesuit-created empires to rule Eastern Europe and Asia. First is the Soviet Union, now deceptively termed “The Russian Federation” after the “official ending” of the pope’s Cold War Hoax in 1991 premised upon the pope’s Airborne Nuclear War Hoax (1945-present). As per your Editor’s writings and his VAIII, it was Rome, via RIIA/London and CFR/Washington, that orchestrated the Bolshevik Revolution and subsequently built the Soviet Union’s military industrial complex. From Lenin being tutored by British Fabian Socialist Sydney Webb; from Masonic Jewish industrialist Armand Hammer overseeing the importation of Fordson tractors in the 1920s; from White Gentile Freemason Henry Ford supplying American manpower from Detroit to run the Gorky auto plant in the 1930s; from White Gentile “Skull and Bonesman” Averell Harriman giving Freemason “Uncle Joe” Stalin $11.3 billion under the Lend-Lease giveaway in 1941; from Jesuit-trained Knight of Malta William J. Casey heading the U.S. Export-Import Bank financing the building of the Kama River truck factory in the 1970s, etc., the entire Russian military establishment and infrastructure has been financed and engineered by the Black Pope’s CFR-controlled de facto American Emergency War Powers government working in conjunction with the Black Pope’s British Crown and RIIA/Chatham House-ruled British government.
The Second ALLIED power is communist Red China created after the pope’s Second Thirty Years’ War in 1949. CFR-directed Papal slaves Masonic George C. Marshall and Dean Acheson facilitated the successful communist revolution in 1949; Masonic “Dirty” Harry Truman, having issued the Second Emergency War Powers edict in 1950 (still in effect with FDR’s edict of 1933), then launched the Korean War, America’s first war without a congressional declaration of war as mandated by the Presbyterian Calvinist US Constitution. Masonic Truman subsequently relieved Masonic General MacArthur of his command for attempting to win the Korean War while the armies of General Chang kai-shek were betrayed and neutralized by Washington’s CFR-directed State Department (controlled by Francis Cardinal Spellman). Hence, the anti-communist Chinese nationalists were prevented from dealing a death blow to Masonic Mao Zedong and his communists. Therefore, the communist ALLIED powers that are to fight—and subsequently defeat—the fascist AXIS powers are now in place and are seriously preparing for war.
The chain of events leading to war and defeat for North America may be as follows:
First, a “terrorist event” must come to pass that will accomplish two things: martial law in the U.S. and war with “infidel” Iran hated by the Jesuit Papacy and her Sunni Muslim nations. That “event” may be the killing of Masonic Barry Davis Obama by “an Iranian;” or, the destruction of the Capitol in Washington by an “Iranian bomber;” or, the demolition of the Sears Tower conveniently owned by New York City’s WTC owner at the time of 911, Masonic Jew Larry Silverstein; or, the sinking of the USS Enterprise in the Persian Gulf by an “Iranian” aerial attack; or even the killing of Pope Benedict XVI by an Iranian Shia Muslim, then to unite not only the US but NATO (including anti-Shia, Sunni Muslim Turkey) in a war of annihilation of Shia Islam sought by Rome for the last 1300 years.
Secondly, after the successful NAU/NATO crusade against Shia Iran, Sunni Turkey leading the Sunni Muslim world will break away from NATO and side with Russia. NATO will dissolve, morphing into EU forces, then to break away from its coalition with the NAU. For the US alone will be blamed for the destruction of Mecca, Medina and the Jerusalem mosques. Because of this “outrage,” the pope’s beloved Roman Catholic EU (Revived Roman Empire, Revelation 13:1-2) will then side with the communist Allied powers, just as anti-Jew, crypto-fascist Jesuit Stalin sided with communist Jesuit FDR and communist Jesuit Churchill after anti-Jew, fascist/Nazi Jesuit Hitler invaded Russia in 1941.
Thirdly, China will side with Russia and Sunni Islam for the subsequent Sino-Soviet-Muslim-EU invasion of North America. With the betrayal of U.S. forces by the Order’s Joint Chiefs of Staff running the pope’s Pentagon, American borders and coastlines will be wide open for massive invasion. Then the end will come for the NAU, to be partitioned by the pope’s victors. Your Editor believes the Northeast from Pennsylvania to Maine will be occupied by the pope’s EU taking the invaluable ports of Halifax, Boston, New York and Philadelphia after the pope’s White fascist American Department of “Romeland” Security has “purged and liquidated” all Blacks from the region.
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If that is to be humanitys fate Qsc, then id better ramp up the orgasmutating into the oblivious
Re: World War 3 Speculation
Phelps is undoublty very knowledgable, but he ignores an important fact: realtime Putin wasn't "Jesuit planned", and if it was originally it didn't work out. Realtime Putin is neither Catholic nor Protestant, he is a staunch Russian Orthodox with a deep conviction to oppose the Empire's NWO plans. Which makes WWIII as uncalulatable as possible.
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Jesuit control is maintained by their control within all the world's intelligence agencies using Freemasonic organizations, the FSB is no exception, and Communism is a Jesuit creation.
http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.no/2012/07/putins-criminal-empire-alexander.html
The plan is to use Communist Russia and China to invade the US.
http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.no/2012/07/putins-criminal-empire-alexander.html
The plan is to use Communist Russia and China to invade the US.
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used to be true until 1991, then something went wrong with the programming and some of their pawns became "tuners"...
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I just don't see it your way Sputnik.
It is exactly since 1991 that the alliance between Russia and China has grown.
The US war college tacticians have stated war with China by 2025. It is the stated agenda...war with China.
Question is when you have the west declaring war upon you, what choices do you have other than being overrun?
Russia will ally further with China as China has the big bucks to upgrade Russian military.
Russia is playing its part. And will do so even more should Iran be attacked.
The western forces have been ordered by their Jesuit masters to commit to genocide against the Sunni. They are to be slaughtered wholesale.
So when war is declared with Jesuit controlled China by the Jesuit controlled west...will Russia just stand pat and watch the fireworks?
Premier Wen Jiabao shakes hands with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on a visit to St. Petersburg on Tuesday.ALEXEY DRUZHININ / AFP
It is also theorized that after a meteoric, historic climb for gold...China will strategically crash the gold market by dumping huge reserves at the most opportune time to further destabilize the west and its gold investments.
America is slated to be invaded by a Sino-Soviet-Muslim invasion on the California coast, up from Cuba into the gun owning American south and down from Alaska and Canada. This is why the keys to the Panama Canal and some strategic sites in California were given to China...all for free complements of Bill Clinton. This is to guarantee the US is put stays in its seventh place New World Order slot.
The war in the middle east will also continue as the religious occultist demon-possessed want their temple rebuilt in Jerusalem for their...savior of the earth. Good to blame the destruction of the mosque on the US as well to further fuel that US invasion.
The New World Order following WWIII is to be a global government with each asset to have its specific strength or roles within that government.
London
Brussels (in cooperation with the Hague)
Germany
France
China
Russia
United States
It is exactly since 1991 that the alliance between Russia and China has grown.
The US war college tacticians have stated war with China by 2025. It is the stated agenda...war with China.
Question is when you have the west declaring war upon you, what choices do you have other than being overrun?
Russia will ally further with China as China has the big bucks to upgrade Russian military.
Russia is playing its part. And will do so even more should Iran be attacked.
Russia sent two squadrons of ship to Syria in mid-December. It appears they have arrived, and just in time to offset the positioning of NATO Patriot missiles along the Turkish-Syria border.
Russia has concentrated five landing ships in the eastern Mediterranean in a show of force meant to deter Western nations from intervening militarily in Syria, The Sunday Times quoted a Russian diplomat as saying.
According to the report, the ships are carrying military vehicles and hundreds of Russian marines, and are being accompanied by combat vessels.
Remember when the official party line was that ships are being sent to assist in the evacuation of Russian citizens? Looks like not even Russia is going with that anymore.
While officially Russia has claimed the ships have been deployed to partake in an exercise to "improve the management, maintenance and testing of the interaction of naval forces,” the Times quoted the diplomat as saying the marines were meant to deter the West from deploying ground forces in the uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad.
NATO has begun deploying Patriot missiles in Turkey in a bid to protect the country from the threat of war from neighbouring Syria, according to the US military's European Command (EUCOM).
EUCOM said in a statement on Friday that US military personnel and equipment were sent to Incirlik Air Base in southeastern Turkey to support NATO's Patriot battery deployment at Ankara's request.
Up to 400 troops are expected to be transported to Tukey within the week to operate two Patriot batteries supporting NATO's mission there. Additional equipment is scheduled to arrive by sea this month.
"The deployment of six Patriot batteries, including two each from Germany and The Netherlands, is in response to Turkey's request to NATO," EUCOM said in the statement issued from its offices in the southwestern German city of Stuttgart.
"The forces will augment Turkey's air defence capabilities and contribute to the de-escalation of the crisis along the Alliance's border," it added.
Yes, we too find it amusing when by de-escalation the US armed forces mean anything but.
Which then leaves the only open question: when?
“Russia should be prepared for any developments, as it believes the situation in Syria might reach its peak before Easter,” the Times quoted the diplomatic source as saying.
In other words, having been unable to convince the world that Iran is a terminal threat to "democracy" everywhere and the window of destroying its nuclear processing facilities now officially closed, and with both the Lebanon and the Gaza conflicts hibernating, the only loophole left to escalate the region is now Syria, where the event timeline now appears to culminate in 2-3 months.
The western forces have been ordered by their Jesuit masters to commit to genocide against the Sunni. They are to be slaughtered wholesale.
So when war is declared with Jesuit controlled China by the Jesuit controlled west...will Russia just stand pat and watch the fireworks?
China and the USSR Ties soured between the communist giants after the Sino-Soviet split in 1961. Political differences e.g. de-Stalinization between Mao Zedong and Nikita Khrushchev played a key role in the cooling of relations between the communist allies. At the peak of the conflict, both countries fought a brief border war in 1969 and increased troop deployments at important border regions. Partly due to the perceived threats posed by the Soviets, the Chinese communist leadership began to develop armed thermonuclear capability and diplomatic relations with United States, culminating with a 1972 Nixon visit to China. Tensions between the two communist giants began to ease after the death of Mao in 1975. However relations only improved markedly after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s.
On December 23, 1992, Russian President Boris Yeltsin made his first official visit to China. During the visit, Boris Yeltsin and Chinese President Yang Shangkun signed a Joint Statement on the Foundation of Mutual Relations, in which the two countries pledge to establish good-neighbourly, friendly and mutually beneficial relations; Chinese and Russian officials also sign 24 joint statements, documents and memoranda of understanding on cooperation on a range of issues, including border demarcation and reductions in armed forces.
On September 3, 1994 at the end of a summit meeting in Moscow, Yeltsin and Chinese President Jiang Zemin issued a joint statement defining their bilateral relationship as a ‘constructive partnership’. The two leaders pledged that their countries will not initiate the use of nuclear weapons and will not target their strategic nuclear forces against each other.
On May 3, 1998 the Russian and Chinese foreign ministries exchanged notes confirming the start of the telephone Hotline link between the two countries’ presidents. In December of that year, at the end of Prime Minister Li Peng’s visit to Moscow, Russia and China issue a joint communique pledging to build an ‘equal and reliable partnership’. This reinforced the sino-Russian views that the United States is their main competitor in the global political scene.
In 2001, the close relations between the two countries were formalized with the Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation, a twenty-year strategic, economic, and – controversially and arguably – an implicit military treaty. A month before the treaty was signed, the two countries joined with junior partners Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). The organization is expected to counter the growing influence of the United States military outreach programme in Central Asia. The PRC is currently a key purchaser and licensee of Russian military gear that were instrumental in the modernization of the People's Liberation Army. The PRC is also main beneficiary of the Russian Eastern Siberia – Pacific Ocean oil pipeline.
While the Russian and Chinese economies were roughly the same size in 1993, China's grew to over 3.5 times larger than Russia's by 2008. Even since 1998, when Russia began a rapid economic recovery, China has grown at a faster rate; the gap has only widened since the global economic crisis and falling energy prices of the late 2000s. China's growth has led to the creation of new productive capacity, whereas Russia's recovery has been based largely on reutilizing Soviet-era capacity that had idled in the early 1990s. China's growing appetite for raw materials therefore coincides with Russia's increasing dependency on foreign investment.
Russian officials have repeatedly reiterated their opposition to being merely China's natural resources storehouse.[84] As early as 2001, Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Aleksei Kudrin warned that if Russia failed to become "a worthy economic partner" for Asia and the Pacific Rim, "China and the Southeast Asian countries will steamroll Siberia and the Far East." At the start of his presidency in September 2008, Dmitri Medvedev echoed similar concerns, warning a Kamchatka audience that if Russia fails to develop the RFE it could turn into a raw material base for more developed Asian countries and "unless we speed up our efforts, we can lose everything."[87][88]
Regional experts have pointed out that despite these increasingly vocal concerns, the local economy of the RFE has become increasingly reliant on Chinese goods, services, and labor over the past decade; furthermore, local out-migration shows little sign of reversing. For all the early promise under Putin, Moscow's policy towards the RFE has not seemed effective as of 2008
Dmitri Trenin of the Moscow branch of the Carnegie Endowment has argued that Siberia's development could become Russia's most urgent challenge.[90] Failure to develop the region into more than a raw material outpost could lead to what he calls a Chinese takeover of the region, not by migration but rather by economic means of trade and investment.
Russia's plans for this region have revolved around building energy infrastructure to leverage exports and attracting investment so that the capital will be available for modernizing regional infrastructure. These plans largely depend on foreign investments, which Russian companies have grudgingly acknowledged. In 2008, a consortium of Chinese engineering firms led by Harbin Turbine signed an agreement with Russian power producer OGK to produce coal-fired turbines in the RFE, adding 41,000 megawatts of new generating capacity by 2011. Stanislav Nevynitsyn, Executive Director of OGK, admitted, "It is simply a necessity for us to work with the Chinese – we will not get the capacity built otherwise."[93] Through loans to Russia's Bank for Development and Foreign Economic Affairs, Vnesheconombank (VEB), China became a major stockholder in Lukoil in 2009.[94] In the same year, after having excluded foreign firms from bidding on the huge Udokan copper mine in Southeast Siberia, Moscow welcomed Chinese, South Korean, and Kazakh miners and refiners back into the bidding process.
As part of the 'Russia's Energy Strategy till 2020' the Russian government launched a program of creating a unified gas production, transportation and supply system in Eastern Siberia and the RFE in 2006. The program would ultimately provide affirmation of an all-Russia gas system from the Baltic Sea up to the Pacific Ocean." Russian policymakers have also suggested building an international center for spent fuel and nuclear energy in the RFE, hoping to raise the profile in the export of nuclear energy to the global market.[99]
In 2009, Gazprom was awarded subsurface licenses for the Kirinsky, Vostochno-Odoptinsky and Ayashsky blocks to begin the Sakhalin-III project. Geological exploration has been underway at the Kirinskoye field and, as of 2009, natural gas production is scheduled for 2014. The field will become one of the natural gas sources for the Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas transmission system. Sakhalin–Khabarovsk–Vladivostok gas transmission system (GTS). The first GTS start-up complex will be 1,350 km, with a capacity of 6 billion cubic meters (bcm) per year.
In October 2011, in a joint press conference following talks with Chinese officials, Putin said the sides intend to cooperate in high-tech sectors such as aircraft manufacturing, nanotechnology, biotechnology, computer science, and medicine.
Premier Wen Jiabao shakes hands with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on a visit to St. Petersburg on Tuesday.ALEXEY DRUZHININ / AFP
St. Petersburg, Russia - China and Russia have decided to renounce the US dollar and resort to using their own currencies for bilateral trade, Premier Wen Jiabao and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin announced late on Tuesday.
Chinese experts said the move reflected closer relations between Beijing and Moscow and is not aimed at challenging the dollar, but to protect their domestic economies.
"About trade settlement, we have decided to use our own currencies," Putin said at a joint news conference with Wen in St. Petersburg.
The two countries were accustomed to using other currencies, especially the dollar, for bilateral trade. Since the financial crisis, however, high-ranking officials on both sides began to explore other possibilities.
The yuan has now started trading against the Russian rouble in the Chinese interbank market, while the renminbi will soon be allowed to trade against the rouble in Russia, Putin said.
"That has forged an important step in bilateral trade and it is a result of the consolidated financial systems of world countries," he said.
Putin made his remarks after a meeting with Wen. They also officiated at a signing ceremony for 12 documents, including energy cooperation.
The documents covered cooperation on aviation, railroad construction, customs, protecting intellectual property, culture and a joint communiqu. Details of the documents have yet to be released.
Putin said one of the pacts between the two countries is about the purchase of two nuclear reactors from Russia by China's Tianwan nuclear power plant, the most advanced nuclear power complex in China.
Putin has called for boosting sales of natural resources - Russia's main export - to China, but price has proven to be a sticking point.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin, who holds sway over Russia's energy sector, said following a meeting with Chinese representatives that Moscow and Beijing are unlikely to agree on the price of Russian gas supplies to China before the middle of next year.
Russia is looking for China to pay prices similar to those Russian gas giant Gazprom charges its European customers, but Beijing wants a discount. The two sides were about $100 per 1,000 cubic meters apart, according to Chinese officials last week.
Wen's trip follows Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's three-day visit to China in September, during which he and President Hu Jintao launched a cross-border pipeline linking the world's biggest energy producer with the largest energy consumer.
Wen said at the press conference that the partnership between Beijing and Moscow has "reached an unprecedented level" and pledged the two countries will "never become each other's enemy".
Over the past year, "our strategic cooperative partnership endured strenuous tests and reached an unprecedented level," Wen said, adding the two nations are now more confident and determined to defend their mutual interests.
"China will firmly follow the path of peaceful development and support the renaissance of Russia as a great power," he said.
"The modernization of China will not affect other countries' interests, while a solid and strong Sino-Russian relationship is in line with the fundamental interests of both countries."
Wen said Beijing is willing to boost cooperation with Moscow in Northeast Asia, Central Asia and the Asia-Pacific region, as well as in major international organizations and on mechanisms in pursuit of a "fair and reasonable new order" in international politics and the economy.
Sun Zhuangzhi, a senior researcher in Central Asian studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the new mode of trade settlement between China and Russia follows a global trend after the financial crisis exposed the faults of a dollar-dominated world financial system.
Pang Zhongying, who specializes in international politics at Renmin University of China, said the proposal is not challenging the dollar, but aimed at avoiding the risks the dollar represents.
Wen arrived in the northern Russian city on Monday evening for a regular meeting between Chinese and Russian heads of government.
He left St. Petersburg for Moscow late on Tuesday and is set to meet with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Wednesday.
China And Russia Are Ruthlessly Cutting The Legs Out From Under The U.S. Dollar
By Michael, on September 11th, 2012
The mainstream media in the United States is almost totally ignoring one of the most important trends in global economics. This trend is going to cause the value of the U.S. dollar to fall dramatically and it is going to cause the cost of living in the United States to go way up. Right now, the U.S. dollar is the primary reserve currency of the world. Even though that status has been chipped away at in recent years, U.S. dollars still make up more than 60 percent of all foreign currency reserves in the world. Most international trade (including the buying and selling of oil) is conducted in U.S. dollars, and this gives the United States a tremendous economic advantage. Since so much trade is done in dollars, there is a constant demand for more dollars all over the globe from countries that need them for trading purposes. So the Federal Reserve is able to flood our financial system with dollars without it causing a tremendous amount of inflation because the rest of the world ends up soaking up a lot of those dollars. But now that is changing. China and Russia have been spearheading a movement to shift away from using the U.S. dollar in international trade. At the moment, the shift is happening gradually, but at some point a tipping point will come (for example if Saudi Arabia were to declare that it will no longer take U.S. dollars for oil) and the entire global financial system is going to change. When that tipping point comes the global demand for U.S. dollars is going to absolutely plummet and nightmarish inflation will come to the United States. If such a scenario sounds far out to you, then you have not been paying attention. In fact, China and Russia have been working very hard to move us toward exactly such a scenario.
China and Russia are not the "buddies" of the United States. The truth is that they are both ruthless competitors of the United States and leaders from both nations have been calling for a new global currency for years.
They don't like that the United States has a built-in advantage of having the reserve currency of the world, and over the past several years both countries have been busy making international agreements that seek to chip away at that advantage.
Just the other day, China and Germany agreed to start conducting an increasing amount of trade with each other in their own currencies.
You would think that a major currency agreement between the 2nd and 4th largest economies on the face of the planet would make headlines all over the United States.
Instead, the silence in the U.S. media was deafening.
At least there were some reports in the international media about this. The following is from a Reuters article about this very important deal....
Germany and China plan to conduct an increasing amount of their trade in euros and yuan, the two nations said in a joint statement after talks between Chancellor Angela Merkel and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao in Beijing on Thursday.
"Both sides intend to support financial institutions and companies of both countries in the use of the renminbi and euro in bilateral trade and investments," said the text of the statement.
By itself, this deal would not be that alarming.
However, the truth is that both Russia and China have been making deals like this all over the globe in recent years. I detailed 11 more major agreements like the one that China and Germany just made in this article: "11 International Agreements That Are Nails In The Coffin Of The Petrodollar".
In that article I listed a few of the things that will likely happen when the petrodollar dies....
-Oil will cost a lot more.
-Everything will cost a lot more.
-There will be a lot less foreign demand for U.S. government debt.
-Interest rates on U.S. government debt will rise.
-Interest rates on just about everything in the U.S. economy will rise.
So enjoy going to "the dollar store" while you can.
It will turn into the "five and ten dollar store" soon enough.
Okay, so if you are China and Russia and you are working hard to undermine the dollar, how do you get prepared for the fiat currency crisis that your hard work will eventually create?
You guessed it. You hoard gold and other precious metals.
And that is exactly what China and Russia has been doing.
A recent MarketWatch article detailed the massive hoarding of gold that Russia has been doing....
I can’t imagine it means anything cheerful that Vladimir Putin, the Russian czar, is stockpiling gold as fast as he can get his hands on it.
According to the World Gold Council, Russia has more than doubled its gold reserves in the past five years. Putin has taken advantage of the financial crisis to build the world’s fifth-biggest gold pile in a handful of years, and is buying about half a billion dollars’ worth every month.
Of course Russia is not alone in hoarding gold. According to Zero Hedge, China has quietly been importing gigantic mountains of gold....
In July, Chinese gold imports from HK, after two months of declines, have picked up once more and hit a 3-month high of 75.8 tons. While it is notable that this number is double the 38.1 tons imported a year prior, and that year-to-date imports are now a record 458.6 tons, well over four times greater than the seven month total in 2011 which was 103.9 tons, what is far more important is that in the first seven months of 2012 alone China has imported nearly as much gold as the total holdings of the hedge fund at the heart of the Eurozone, elsewhere known simply as the European Central Bank, and just as importantly considering the import run-rate has hardly slowed down in August, which data we will have in a few weeks, it is now safe to say that in 2012 alone China has imported more gold than the ECB's entire official 502.1 tons of holdings.
And all over the world Chinese companies are buying up gold producers. China National Gold Group Corporation has put in a $3.9 billion bid to buy African Barrick Gold PLC, but that is only one example.
A recent Fox Business article listed a bunch of other similar transactions that have taken place recently....
Zijin Mining Group Co. (2899.HK), China's second-largest gold producer by output, said last week that its subsidiary has acquired more than 50% of Kalgoorlie's Norton Gold Fields (NGF.AU).
That deal gives it a foothold in the Australian market, the world's second-largest source of gold output after China itself. In 2011, Zijin bought 60% of Kazakhstan-based miner Altynken, which has access to a gold mine in Kyrgyzstan.
Since 2008, Chinese companies have completed 10 US$20-million-plus acquisitions of Australian gold assets, worth a combined $1.6 billion, according to Dealogic. Half were initiated since last year.
In November, Shandong Gold-Mining Co. (600547.SH) launched a bid to acquire Brazilian gold miner Jaguar Mining Inc. (JAG.T) for $1 billion.
You would have to be blind to not see what is happening.
Other big names have been hoarding gold as well. In a previous article I detailed how George Soros, John Paulson and central banks all over the planet have been hungrily accumulating gold.
So what does all of this mean for the price of gold?
That's right - it is likely to keep heading up.
In fact, Citi analyst Tom Fitzpatrick believes that the price of gold will likely hit $2500 within 6 months.
Personally, I believe that there will be times when precious metals both fall and rise in price dramatically. It is going to be a wild ride. But in the long-term I believe that all precious metals will be going up as fiat currencies such as the U.S. dollar fail.
Sadly, most Americans have no idea just how incredibly vulnerable the U.S. dollar really is.
The following is an excerpt from a recent piece by investigative journalist Bob Woodward. It shows just how worried our leaders are about a crash of U.S. Treasuries....
Another possible outcome, Geithner said, was perhaps worse. “Suppose we have an auction and no one shows up?”
The cascading impact would be unknowable. The world could decide to dump U.S. Treasuries. Prices would plummet, interest rates would skyrocket. The one pillar of stability, the United States, the rock in the global economy, could collapse.
What happens someday if the rest of the world decides to reject our currency and our debt?
Right now we are able to trade our dollars for the things that we "need" such as oil from the Middle East and cheap plastic consumer products from China.
But what happens if the Federal Reserve keeps printing and printing and printing and the rest of the world eventually decides that the U.S. dollar is not even worth the paper it is printed on?
The truth is that the amount of printing the Federal Reserve has been doing and the amount of borrowing the federal government has been doing are both completely and totally unsustainable.
At this point, Moody's is threatening to cut the credit rating of the federal government if a deal is not reached soon to reduce our debt to GDP ratio.
And Moody's is not the only one concerned about our exploding debt.
German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble recently stated that he believes that "there is great uncertainty about the course American politics will take in dealing the U.S. government's debts, which are much too high".
Just because the economy is relatively stable right now does not mean that it is always going to be that way.
If we keep debasing our currency like this, at some point the rest of the world is going to decide that China and Russia have been right all along and that we need a new global reserve currency.
That day is coming. It might not come tomorrow or next week or next month but it is definitely coming.
Once the U.S. dollar loses reserve currency status, that will be a major turning point in the history of our country. We will never fully recover from that, and we will never get back to the same level of prosperity that we are enjoying today.
So enjoy spending those dollars while you can. The party is almost over.
It is also theorized that after a meteoric, historic climb for gold...China will strategically crash the gold market by dumping huge reserves at the most opportune time to further destabilize the west and its gold investments.
America is slated to be invaded by a Sino-Soviet-Muslim invasion on the California coast, up from Cuba into the gun owning American south and down from Alaska and Canada. This is why the keys to the Panama Canal and some strategic sites in California were given to China...all for free complements of Bill Clinton. This is to guarantee the US is put stays in its seventh place New World Order slot.
The war in the middle east will also continue as the religious occultist demon-possessed want their temple rebuilt in Jerusalem for their...savior of the earth. Good to blame the destruction of the mosque on the US as well to further fuel that US invasion.
The New World Order following WWIII is to be a global government with each asset to have its specific strength or roles within that government.
London
Brussels (in cooperation with the Hague)
Germany
France
China
Russia
United States
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Re: World War 3 Speculation
re: archiving the lead up to WWIII?
Well, maybe not WWIII but it is going to require some killing.
Good stuff. Whew! Can I continue this because it seems what we are doing here
is archiving the lead to WWIII.
Who is this David Albright guy? He seems pretty uppity here and a few of us who
have looked at Scot Ritter's credentials know he was set up in a pedophile sting to
prevent him from discussing in more objectivity any weapons of mass destruction
(weapons of mass deception). Quite contrary to how David Albright accuses Ritter of
being a pedophile molesting a teen age girl. Where's the proof? "A five year jail
sentence" says David Albright. That's proof? Sounds more like proof of railroading.
Here is Albright intro bio:
This part is interesting because Al Qaeda is simply the data base name given to the
Muhajadeen fighters the American CIA structured in Afghanistan to fight against the
Soviets during the 1980s. It was carried over and is still in use to describe Islamic
Jihadi mercenary terrorists now attacking Syria.
The CNN reporter I saw embedded with the FSA terrorists in Syria was just an
appalling storytelling showmanship designed to garnish support of the American
people in any upcoming move against Syria by the Americans. They even made
this alleged Syrian Army guy up by putting him in the shadows and made him appear
as if this Syrian Army member defected to the terrorist FSA. Yeah, right, this is a
CNN specialty with absolutely no way to confirm if in fact this was actually the case or
not.
David Albright is a big player, he runs the ISIS (Institute for Science and International
Security) institute and looks to be the point man on leading the charge against Iran to
prevent Iran from producing nuclear weapons, which Iran has claimed repeatedly it is
developing nuclear for energy/electrical production.
The Iranians claim that David Albright was responsible for "concocting lies and myths
about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and drawing the country into an
abysmal vortex of destruction and devastation, the report can be but seen in the light
of yet another overtly brash attempt by the US to push ahead with further militarism
in the Middle East."
The fact is, Iraq is a mess today and random sectarian killings are continuing.
According to Dr. Dr. Ismail Salami, who is an internationally published author of
several books and hundreds of political articles, believes that David Albright and his
ilk are at the front of a campaign leading a charge for another war.
What think tanks and intelligence agencies is David Albright working in tandem with?
Well, maybe not WWIII but it is going to require some killing.
Good stuff. Whew! Can I continue this because it seems what we are doing here
is archiving the lead to WWIII.
Who is this David Albright guy? He seems pretty uppity here and a few of us who
have looked at Scot Ritter's credentials know he was set up in a pedophile sting to
prevent him from discussing in more objectivity any weapons of mass destruction
(weapons of mass deception). Quite contrary to how David Albright accuses Ritter of
being a pedophile molesting a teen age girl. Where's the proof? "A five year jail
sentence" says David Albright. That's proof? Sounds more like proof of railroading.
Here is Albright intro bio:
David Albright, M.S., is the founder of the non-governmental Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), its current president, and author of several books on proliferation of atomic weapons. Albright holds a Master of Science in physics from Indiana University and a M.Sc. in mathematics from Wright State University. He has taught physics at George Mason University in Virginia.
From 1990 to 2001, Albright was a member of the Colorado State Health Advisory Panel, participating in its assessment of the toxicological and radiological effects on the population near the Rocky Flats atomic weapons production site.
This part is interesting because Al Qaeda is simply the data base name given to the
Muhajadeen fighters the American CIA structured in Afghanistan to fight against the
Soviets during the 1980s. It was carried over and is still in use to describe Islamic
Jihadi mercenary terrorists now attacking Syria.
In 2001 Albright prepared an analysis, for CNN, of documents found in an abandoned Al Qaeda safe house in Kabul believed to have been used by Abu Khabbab, who they described as "Osama bin Laden's top chemical and biological weapons commander." [doctored intelligence] Albright, confirmed the abandoned documents included plans for a nuclear bomb, [yes, but where are the documents David Albright said he read thousands of? were they in English? If they weren't in English how did he read them all as he said he discovered all these documents while acting as a UN inspector in Iraq?] and extensive training notes on the handling of radiological material.
The CNN reporter I saw embedded with the FSA terrorists in Syria was just an
appalling storytelling showmanship designed to garnish support of the American
people in any upcoming move against Syria by the Americans. They even made
this alleged Syrian Army guy up by putting him in the shadows and made him appear
as if this Syrian Army member defected to the terrorist FSA. Yeah, right, this is a
CNN specialty with absolutely no way to confirm if in fact this was actually the case or
not.
David Albright is a big player, he runs the ISIS (Institute for Science and International
Security) institute and looks to be the point man on leading the charge against Iran to
prevent Iran from producing nuclear weapons, which Iran has claimed repeatedly it is
developing nuclear for energy/electrical production.
The Iranians claim that David Albright was responsible for "concocting lies and myths
about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and drawing the country into an
abysmal vortex of destruction and devastation, the report can be but seen in the light
of yet another overtly brash attempt by the US to push ahead with further militarism
in the Middle East."
The fact is, Iraq is a mess today and random sectarian killings are continuing.
According to Dr. Dr. Ismail Salami, who is an internationally published author of
several books and hundreds of political articles, believes that David Albright and his
ilk are at the front of a campaign leading a charge for another war.
What think tanks and intelligence agencies is David Albright working in tandem with?
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