Re: THE CHITCHAT ARENA

Blackbird Thu 21 Jul 2011, 10:06

I agree, and in no way do i ever want to be one of those who say... I've decided to quit, now everyone else must to! I've known for a while now that smoking and drinking no longer serve my purposes. There is this great quote "The strongest human instinct is not survival. It is to do what is familiar". That about sums it up as to why its taken me so long to stop. That, lack of will power and not feeling worthy of good things. Seems I do have a battle with this other me(?) that is bent on destruction. Now instead of fighting, I think its time to make friends Laughing

quicksilvercrescendo Thu 21 Jul 2011, 13:20

I tried a puff of my father's cig when I was seven. I couldn't breath and felt sick...never did it again.
Never liked alcohol...made me feel sick in the stomach and didn't like the buzz.

But smoking my own weed...home-grown and in soil, not hydro...I truly enjoyed.
After several years of enjoyment smoking weed began to slow me down and make me tired, which began to work against me and fulfilling all my interests and activities which require energy and focus. Perhaps this happens with long term use or with my own hormonal changes due to age.
So I gave it up. Now that I have kids and realize what they require in terms of energy and focus, there is no way I can see myself getting away with smoking pot and being an effective parent while still pursuing my own health and interests.
It just won't jive...no matter how I may attempt to mentally convince myself otherwise, reality dictates that I jut could not...and should not.
Sex while high was also...spectacular.

Flames Sat 23 Jul 2011, 04:44

It was the first cigarette I had since last Fall I believe. The weird thing is, is that I never really crave them or think about cigarettes much anymore. Somehow I'm able to use common sense to avoid addiction to smokes.

I think the last time I smoked weed was around last Halloween. The problem is, is that there are just too many shady characters one usually has to score weed from.

Weed really helps with my insomnia and anxiety issues. I've discovered that I can get a similar "high" from exercise and just trying to live as balanced a life as possible.

But I aint gonna lie to you, weed is awesome some times. The weird thing is, is that I never felt any sort of lethargy from smoking weed, in fact, it made me way more creative, and was able to look at things from a different perspective.

Everyone's chemistry is a little different. I know people who just want to smoke it, eat non sense, and watch dumb movies. It literally motivated me to get on an exercise routine, and that was a year and a half ago.

tgII Wed 27 Jul 2011, 01:47

Fucking Facebutt...this is just too cool...

tgII Wed 27 Jul 2011, 01:52

Holy shit, can you believe this?

Flames Wed 27 Jul 2011, 04:20

HAHAHAHA "Operation Farmville!!!"

Flames Sat 13 Aug 2011, 06:00

I had a really weird thought tonight.

If I understand The Heisenberg uncertainty principle, it basically says that a sub atomic particle can exist as a wave or particle, dependent on the observer. In other words, without an observer the atom remains in an undifferentiated state of potential. An observer's consciousness decides whether the sub atomic particle is in a wave state or particle.

Here's the nutty thought I had. Well, we are all made up of atoms, so on a subatomic level, does our consciousness effect human beings on this sort of level? For example, does our observation of another person send their atoms in some form of wave or physical particle? Goddamn, is that a scary idea.

tgII Sat 13 Aug 2011, 06:16

Yeah, indeed, that's very scary thought...here, scan this...

Blackbird Mon 15 Aug 2011, 00:18

Don't think I've seen that movie tgII, looks very gruesome! affraid

Flames, i think you're on to something there. Why stop with just people. Since everything in the material world is made of these subatomic particles then wouldn't conscious and perhaps unconscious, subconscious observation also have an effect...on all matter. Maybe such things shouldn't be thought about, wouldn't want my head to explode (:

Flames Mon 15 Aug 2011, 19:08

hahaha. Heads exploding.

That thought I had the other night encouraged me to re read a book about all of this. I've mentioned it before, and it is a book written by a Biologist named Robert Lanza called Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lanza#Books

His theory basically states that nothing in the universe even exists without the presence of an observer. He gives examples like the old question - if a tree falls in a forest with nobody around does it make a noise? The answer being no, because without an observer with an ear, all that is happening is a change in air pressure and vibration. Even a video camera recording it would require an observer.

I'm going to have to really pay close attention to the book before I reproduce some of his theories, because I certainly don't want to screw them up, as they are very fascinating. Some of his theories are pretty close to Hindu and Buddhist cosmologies, and he even admits this. He's showing how and where Western physics and biology have been screwed up in our way of understanding the universe.

quicksilvercrescendo Mon 15 Aug 2011, 21:52

I don't know if you read Tsarion's Disciples of the Mysterium article...truly good work.
http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/disciples.html

Sputnik Tue 16 Aug 2011, 09:34

does our observation of another person send their atoms in some form of wave or physical particle?

All matter absorbs and emits light. Emitted light manifests as waves. Absorbed light changes the wave to particles. It is the "observer effect" in the atom that determines the identity of the atom - as wave or particle. Shamanic consciousness is the ability of the observer and observed becoming one, a situation that is standard in the quantum world of 'New Physics'.

Now if you plan to harm somebody else....
expect your own head to 'explode' alongside with the one observed (victim)!

Just look at people who caused death and mayhem...in this world...there are enough examples I think...
do they radiate gracefully or do they look spiritually debilitated or even appear to be soul-less?

A shaman will tell you that if you deliberately want to hurt another human being it will always deplete yourself too and your soul will fall ill. To protect and defend yourself is the best action, but not to throw the first stone at somebody as it affects yourself just as much. Even affirmative prayers that includes others can backfire if they deal with how you ('think it is right') want to perceive somebody elses existence...

Light and the absense of Light don't mix as it is either light or it isn't...only how you want to perceive light, as a particle or as a wave, is up to you.

Sputnik Tue 16 Aug 2011, 11:37

if a tree falls in a forest with nobody around does it make a noise? The answer being no

This is one of those funny zen questions that teach us that the question is basically irrelevant.

Like "what is the sound of one hand clapping"....

From a shaman's intellectual conclusion everything that you perceive is real.
If you see the tree in your memory, it exists somewhere.
If you can hear the clapping noise of one hand, it exists.
Anything you can perceive in your mind exists on the plane of reality and is real.

Yet...

You are not your senses and you are not your thoughts...
you have thoughts floating through your mind like clouds travel through empty sky......

You are the forest, the tree..and the noise of falling...
you are in the world of physical phenomena, but you are not made by this world..of phsysical phenomenon.

The problem with 'new science' and 'new age' is they try to "identify" SPIRIT...
ask the wrong questions or assume that zen questions are to be tackled 'rationally'...

if a tree falls in a forest with nobody around does it make a noise?

The answer to your initial 'tree question' may answers 'no' in one of the mental planes..
but you missed the underlying implication,
the "inner question".

Is there a place existing if it was not first conceived by your rational mind?

In essence...to be able for a mind to raise such a question...the answer must exist..

and to answer the riddle in my own words:

energy follows attention...it can't flow to something that doesn't exist. Idea

P.S. according to the shaman's intellectual conclusion we have different 3 minds,
and only if the three minds work in unison can a human perceive his relation to reality, in all totality.

Flames Fri 19 Aug 2011, 08:58

When it comes down to it, people just want to feel loved, and rightfully so. A personal experience. Whenever I think deeply about one of my beloved relatives that I have absolutely no contact with, nor do I know where they are, or what they're doing, it brings me great sadness.

I live in a sort of vacuum of isolation and guilt, and rightfully so. The one thing I really appreciate are my memories. Memories of sunshine and community. Shit is dark now. If it weren't for my memories, my mind would explode and cease to function. In a way, it feels like my "happy" memories are unreal.

How could a time exist where the essence "of being" was taken for granted?

To drive the point, without love, all we can really experience is the darkness of existence. An unbalanced regret.

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