2012

Yeah choose the free dowload option and wait as it uploads for download or straight watch in browser or mediaplayer, i just downloaded part 1, took about 2 minutes to load up on the server then another 10 mins to download as it only coming in at max 70KB/s for 35MB over here


Yeah when i tried to watch or download the second part, it would not allow it, it uploaded ok, but when pressing free dowload, it just looped around again to upload mode and again and again offering only the gold pay version
Maybe its geographic area or a time based delay, will try again another day.


No, my error, your correct qsc, on my first visit, the vids you mention below the links never loaded in , but when i refreshed, they dod, can watch the vids on that page (scroll down below dowload links) just like an embedded utube vid

Ive watched up to the blast technics of nuclear explosions which is absolutely riveting info to me
you gotta check this one out Tg if you have not already

No wonder I'm having trouble learning Spanish...I can't even read English. I got it now! Thanks.

I downloaded his (Dimitri's) e-book and found a link there to a truly resourceful site. Its just one endless list of vid links from him. You can right click on any of them and then left click the "Save Target As..." option and download all his material, one after the other. Simply left clicking the links doesn't seem to work. I can't open them without downloading first, but the whole 23 part set is there and a whole lot more.

http://www.911-truth.net/

You gotta check out the footage in "the most prohibited item on the web" vid. Its about 2/3 of the way down the list.

I've seen that nuke theory being past around by Dimitri; haven't
looked at it yet to even consider commenting.

First questions though: Who is he? Is he connected in anyway
with British Intelligence?

Something intriguing though is that the team that I am with have
discovered the 'drop box' location of where the flights on 9/11
were flown and then dropped into the ocean.

Some really nasty shit going on here.

From past discussions on the MTSAR forum and this one, there were three theories that have caught my attention as to what brought down the towers.

The thermite-thermate theory. Of which physical evidence has been found and much research made public. Also video footage of thermite burning through steel and sending molten streamers off the side of the towers prior to collapse is more than compelling. But thermite-thermate does not turn concrete and steel into dust. According to this video from the Russian, most of the towers mass was of steel, not concrete. But the steel was also turned into dust. Thermite-thermate alone could not have done this by itself. It is quite likely that some thermite and thermate was used at key points in the towers to weaken their structure and guarantee a collapse into a confined footprint.

This Russian's nuclear theory and his explanation of the difference between and underground and an atmospheric detonation is key. This is what can turn steel, concrete, office chairs, ductwork, pipes, computers and people into dust. And leave molten pools of metal in the basement for months after the collapse. Thermite-thermate cannot do this....it was used as a secondary device or tool to assist in the collapse, probably to guide it and avoid damage to surrounding structures.

The third was the theory that some type of energy weapon was used. But in light of the nuclear theory and how it can change solid matter of any type into plasma...the need to reach far and theorize about some top-secret exotic energy weapon is no longer necessary.

Cutting thermite and nukes.

These videos give some valuable perspective. Particularly that to get permission to build such large towers the plan to demolish them had to also be presented in advance of their construction. That plan was underground nukes.

So yes, we must question who this Russian may be working for.
But if his information on the physics of what occurs with this type of detonation is correct...it is the best explanation of what pulverized those towers in that manner.

Holy crap, Bobdog, you're catching on!!! Which angle should we
go after first, Sohonet or 'Phil the Greek' as he is called; Prince Philip?

Can I latch onto Qsc's post first because I think it is really critical,
here is just some preliminary material:

Qsc, I took one component of 9/11 as humble as the damn elevators
installed in the Twin Towers and went from there. It is quite convincing
too when you break these components down into manageable chunks for
people to begin to comprehend the mind-numbing complexity involved
here.

First, from the news reports you begin to understand something is
happening here. In this case, why were the 'elevator mechanics' pulled
off the site which I've indicated in blue when they should not have been
pulled off the rescue?

Indeed? Just who were these 'elevator mechanics'? We'll find out
in a moment, but first the following:

• "USA Today will comment: "When the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, Otis Elevator's mechanics led the rescue of 500 people trapped in elevators. Some mechanics were dropped onto the roofs of the Twin Towers by helicopter. Others, carrying 50-pound oxygen tanks on their backs, climbed through smoke to machine rooms high in the towers. On Sept. 11, the elevator mechanics—many of the same men involved in the rescues in 1993—left the buildings after the second jet struck, nearly an hour before the first building collapsed." Although ACE Elevator, the local company which won the WTC contract from Otis in 1994, will say it was acting in accordance with procedure, USA Today will note: "The departure of elevator mechanics from a disaster site is unusual. The industry takes pride in rescues. In the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, elevator mechanics worked closely with the firefighters making rescues." Robert Caporale, editor of Elevator World will say, "Nobody knows the insides of a high-rise like an elevator mechanic. They act as guides for firefighters, in addition to working on elevators." The Port Authority will also say that their departure was in conflict with the emergency plan. "There was no situation in which the mechanics were advised or instructed to leave on their own." [USA Today, 12/19/2001]

Part of the attack on America was launched out of Montreal,
Canada and in fact, French was used by operatives because
few in the American intelligence services and law enforcement
speak this sophisticated language. The organization called
Francophonie played a huge part in logistics for 9/11. And don't
forget, the Naudet brothers who were French and were on site
with cameras who zeroed in on the exact point of impact.

• Brigadier General (RET.) Anthony A. Smith, Chairman of the Board of the George and Carol Olmsted Foundation, president of the French-American Foundation from 2001 to 2005, now Senior Advisor .. active with Foundation beginning with Young Leaders Program 1981-1984 [Bill and Hillary Clinton] .. to Foundation from Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) .. Executive Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer from 1995 to 2000. Prior to CSIS, France and United States vice president Otis Elevator Company .. [European Commission handed out biggest fines in its history to cartel .. found .. from at least 1995 and 2004 .. illegally allocated work, exchanged confidential information, rigged bids, fixed prices .. directors illegal practices .. raids confiscation of documents .. fines against .. Otis total € 225 million .. collapse of two towers [on 9/11] did not destroy massive Otis 339HT [elevator] machines .. Some found intact in wreckage, still bolted to specially reinforced beams that held them. Investigators at first mistook them for jet engines] .. career in U.S. Army .. rank of brigadier general .. ten years in Europe .. Executive to Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, in Belgium, and principal military officer for European and NATO Policy in Office of Secretary of Defense .. Government of France [made him] Officer of National Order of Merit .. November 2005 Chevalier of Légion d'Honneur. West Point graduate .. degrees Institut d'Etudes Politiques in Paris and Ph.D. in International Relations at American University ... OFCOT program funded by George and Carol Olmsted Foundation to educate future career military officers who exhibit extraordinary potential in becoming country's future military leaders .. combination briefings, visits to foreign military academies, educational tours, working in American Embassies .. study visit Africa, Europe, Asia, and Central and South America .. language and cultural immersion experiences around globe"
  http://www.frenchamerican.org/cgi-bin/bios2.cgi?f=ShowDetail&dbid=85
  http://www.rotc.usaac.army.mil/training/current_ops_div/ofcot%20overview.htm
  

It is alleged that Anthony Smith, ex-president of French American
Foundation, conspired with others to load Otis Elevators with solid-
propellant rocket fuel used to demolish WTC towers on 9/11:

• Corporate affiliates of the French American Foundation (UN Oil-for-Food bankers and Saddam Hussein's preferred weapons suppliers shown in blue), "Clarence Westbury Foundation, EADS France, [AXA-]BNP Paribas, Caisse des Dépôts, MBDA France, Sodexho Alliance, Sterling Executive Search SARL, Thales Raytheon Systems Ltd, Accor, AFFINE, AFG Association française de gestion financière, Banque Transatlantique, Carlson Wagonlit Travel, Debevoise & Plimpton, LLP., Fimalac Fondation Nationale des Sciences Politques, GEM, Havas, IFRI, JP Morgan France, Lafarge, Lagardère, Laser, Morgan Stanley & Co International Ltd, Publicis Consultants, Rothschild & Co, Suez" http://www.french-american.org/srt/extra/flb/show?location.id:=1385

That's why naive and relatively honest American military leaders
bombed the shit out of Hussein's Iraq; they thought they had
their man but it was all false intel. The rocket propellant was being
pulled out of Iraq by this French network and the transhipment was
made to New York. (Note: go to the url hot link for 'rocket propellant'
and make sure you read the ingredient list.)

So in our analysis by first going for open source intel, i.e., news
reports and broadcasts, we find out who the owner's of Otis
Elevators are which is a company called United Technologies
Corporation. Once this information has been confirmed, you
then do a search for a Board of Directors which comes up with
the names of these people below. Then you begin looking for
anomalies; and there are two indicated in red.

Americans are asleep at the wheel; United Technologies
Corporation is a military contractor and one of their units is
Otis Elevators and on the board of Directors for United Technologies
Corporation sat a commissioner of the 9/11 Commission and a USAF
General with direct ties to this military contractor?!

Board of Directors for United Technologies Corporation:

Louis Chênevert
President and Chief Operating Officer

George David
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

John V. Faraci
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
International Paper

Jean-Pierre Garnier, Ph.D.
Chief Executive Officer,
GlaxoSmithKline plc

Jamie S. Gorelick [failed and incompetent 9/11 Commissioner]
Partner,
WilmerHale

Charles R. Lee
Retired Chairman and Co-CEO,
Verizon Communications

Richard D. McCormick
Retired Chairman,
President and Chief Executive Officer,
US West Inc.

Harold McGraw III
Chairman, President and
Chief Executive Officer,
The McGraw-Hill Companies

Richard Myers
Retired Chairman,
Joint Chiefs of Staff [acting and incompetent through 9/11]

Frank P. Popoff
Retired Chairman and
Chief Executive Officer,
The Dow Chemical Co.

H. Patrick Swygert
President,
Howard University

André Villeneuve
Chairman,
Euronext.LIFFE

Harold A. Wagner
Retired Chairman,
Air Products and Chemicals Inc.

Christine Todd Whitman
President,
The Whitman Strategy Group

Now the question is: What the hell did they load into those elevators?

Mean while, all the get da Jooooz crowd are all hysterically screaming
at the top of their lungs: "Israel did 9/11?!"

Yes, I have been reading about this 911 information from you for quite some time.

Rocket fuel in elevators?
Another thing to consider.

Watch the video series I posted from the Russian and then tell me what you think?

Particularly the 5.5 Richter scale tremor (caught on film and with eyewitness testimony) that occurs just twelve seconds before the collapse which is exactly how much time an underground nuke detonation would have taken to bring down the towers...into a plume of dust.

And would solid rocket fuel leave pools of molten metal in the basement for several weeks and turned metal beams into dust?

A good resource for following up on the research provided from all the contributers here at DRD is:

http://www.muckety.com/Query

Type in the name of the person or institution in question in the search box and watch as it builds a database of connections. You can also type in two names if you want to search a specific association.

For instance, I searched "Jamie S Gorelick" and more connections popped up than I could track down in a solid week of research. CFR, BP, US Dod and Dot, Sallie Mae, and yes, UTC was there as well. Double click UTC and who pops up on the network? Richard B Myers along with many others. And it goes on and on.

Its a good resource for verifying others' data as well as compiling your own.

Here's a site I found that confirms the P-700 granit missle specs presented by Kharezov:

http://www.vectorsite.net/twcruz_7.html

It's listed as a footnote reference in Wikipedia for cruise missles.
I'm still working my way through all the data regarding his theory, but it looks good so far.

I am not much of a "LaRouche fan", but he is one of the best political analyzers out there.
Very truthful and very spot-on research....



...interesting statements huh,

especially when considering the situation in Ireland now.

Lada - I don't know exactly where LaRouche stands politically but I'm for anyone shaking their fists at tyranny in all its forms across the globe. I posted that same video about four posts above your post on the number 11. Thanks for that, by the way. Fascinating stuff.

Incidentally, it's the number 11 that got me started on this whole quest to wake up from the Great American stupor. I picked up a book called "The Mayan Prophecies" by Adrian G. Gilbert and Maurice M. Cotterell. It was the first opportunity I had given myself to awaken my consciousness.

As I began to consider alternate versions of the reality I had been led to believe growing up in corporate, materialistic, god and guns America, I began seeing the number 11 everywhere. I didn't hear of it from anyone else at the time, but it happened so regularly that I was confronted with the task of investigating the phenomenon.

Now, I understand there's a psychological explanation for a variation of this experience. For instance, years ago I wanted a '64 Buick Skylark but couldn't find one anywhere. Then I found one on ebay and bought it. Immediately afterwards I started seeing the damn things numerous times around the area where I was living at the time.

When you focus your mind on a particular thing, you begin to find it manifesting around you. An angry person will always find adequate reasons to remain angry. A person who hates cops will always get pulled over and harrassed by the worst ones, etc. Tony Robbins built a lucrative career selling this idea using a positive pitch.

But this 11 thing was not like that. I wasn't out searching for numerical associations or anything else. I only read a book about the Mayans and 2012, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with the number 11.

At first, I thought I was crazy but then I did a google search for 11 and discovered that there were many others out there who were experiencing the same thing and started entire websites about it. I'm not making a religion out of the experience or anything, but it was this strange encounter with something mystical, something I didn't understand but couldn't rationalise away which got me started on the path to "waking up."

I still don't completely understand the reasons for this number being picked up on by so many people but it opened the doors for me to be able to question my beliefs, or more correctly, the beliefs that I accepted as my own that were taught to me by others.

I am only beginning to grasp the seriousness of the elite's plot to disguise their crimes and the true structure of their power, but everyone's got to start somewhere when they begin to open their eyes to reality.

The number 11 is where I began and while it is intriguing, I don't want to become some nutjob who replaces one false sense of reality for another, obsessing about reading numerical relations into everything. But I must admit that I do see many relations now between things that I didn't before.

Bobdog wrote:Lada - I don't know exactly where LaRouche stands politically but I'm for anyone shaking their fists at tyranny in all its forms across the globe. I posted that same video about four posts above your post on the number 11. Thanks for that, by the way. Fascinating stuff.

Well let me be simple, I DON'T TRUST POLITICIANS. He makes a good historian though.

Bobdog wrote:Incidentally, it's the number 11 that got me started on this whole quest to wake up from the Great American stupor.

You started this thread with a interview transcript of Rik Clay ( it got pulled )

Here is another of his other associative discoveries:

I saw that vid a while back. Thanks for posting it. I appreciate the numerical significance of taking it all the way out to 9. 111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321

I think the ancients knew a lot more about number theory than we do today and I suspect one reason is that we may have gone astray with concepts like calculus, which is a convergence theory that allows one to make irrational rationalizations like .9 = 1

Thanks for alerting me to Rik Clay's interview being removed. I have since ammended my opening post with videos from youtube of the same interview.

Don't know if anyone's seen this guy yet, but if you disregard the nonsense about Christian propaganda and claims of the Nibiru coming to Earth, he's done some interesting research on the 2012 logo. I want to try what he's proclaiming to see if it's authentic but I have to figure out how to print the logo overlapping itself four times on a clear sheet of plastic. I suck at the photoshop program so I don't know how to do it on the computer. Maybe somebody else could try?

Bobdog, i beleive that man requires serious psychological study.....Here is my opionion, and i only had to go a couple mins in to hit a barrier

Yes , i can understand some people may wish to interpret the 2012 logo as zion, to me that means zilch, but ive heard many people being moved by this

But first sticky point is this, he takes 4 images of the same picture and revolves each progressive image by 90 degrees and then merges them together and starts his mental theory

WTF has taking 4 images and revolving them by 90 degrees then merging them together got to do with any person viewing the one original image

That is my question to him or anyone

But first sticky point is this, he takes 4 images of the same picture and revolves each progressive image by 90 degrees and then merges them together and starts his mental theory

Standard procedure in the Art of Mirroring after William Blake,
i.e. Rosecrucian techniques.

Lada - I don't know anything about William Blake's art of mirroring. I'll have to check that out. Is it anything like Dan Brown's sencond movie (book) where the word "Illuminati" can be read right to left, whether you turn it right side up or upside down? Also, I think William Blake is (was) a secret society member.

Kapis - I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I'm as skeptical as you about all of this stuff, but it doesn't stop me from looking into it. In fact, it's a prime motivator for me to research subjects that I doubt. Forget all the Zion (and other religious crap) regarding this guy's video. I was interested in how his 4-layered image of the 2012 logo created a striking reseblance to old British coins, but you've got to endure through more of the video to get to that part.

I'm fairly certain that the human mind is capable of being influenced on levels that are far beyond our conscious limitations and any group(s) that intend to maintain control of power and people have invested their money in research of the human subconscious awareness so that they can extend their control beyond the obvious and have polluted our observational environment with their subtle messages for behavioral programming. The Nazis had research programs like that.

These types of "investigations" I conduct are never an exact science and yes, it dabbles in esoterica, mystery and superstition, so it's never as attractive as the cold, hard fact, but you can't get answers to questions you don't ask. For me, nothing is "out of the question."

But yeah, this guy's a fruitcake. I see that when you get involved in the questions of esoterica, it can influence you in very subtle ways that may not be beneficial or accurate. This may have been what tgII was warning us about. I'm learning to tread lightly through this domain.

For me, nothing is "out of the question."

I agree with u asking questions about everything that attracts your attention bobdog, that is just my personal problem with that guys video

Standard procedure in the Art of Mirroring after William Blake,
i.e. Rosecrucian techniques.

Please feel free to demonstrate how my question gets answered with standard procedure in blakes art of mirroring or even rose techniques , im looking forward to learning anything here that i may have missed


Here is my question in its specificness

WTF has taking 4 images and revolving them by 90 degrees then merging them together got to do with any person viewing the one original image

Lada - I don't know anything about William Blake's art of mirroring. I'll have to check that out. Is it anything like Dan Brown's sencond movie (book) where the word "Illuminati" can be read right to left, whether you turn it right side up or upside down? Also, I think William Blake is (was) a secret society member.

I never read anything from Dan Brown so I don't know if it is similar. Blake mainly observed the sun and then mirrored the obtained images...they use mirroring in their architecture and they encript a lot of things with it. For them it's a form of "contacting"
or communicating with certain entities in the other dimensions.

Nibiru??? Sitchin died in October last year.

Largest planet in the solar system could be about to be discovered - and it's up to four times the size of Jupiter

Scientists believe they may have found a new planet in the far reaches of the solar system, up to four times the mass of Jupiter.

Its orbit would be thousands of times further from the Sun than the Earth's - which could explain why it has so far remained undiscovered.

Data which could prove the existence of Tyche, a gas giant in the outer Oort Cloud, is set to be released later this year - although some believe proof has already been garnered by Nasa with its pace telescope, Wise, and is waiting to be pored over.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1356748/Search-Tyche-believed-largest-planet-solar-system.html#ixzz1DyNx2W5B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28Babylonian_astronomy%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28Sitchin%29#Planets_proposed_by_Zecharia_Sitchin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision

Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found

Reuters) - A U.S.-led research team may have finally located the lost city of Atlantis, the legendary metropolis believed swamped by a tsunami thousands of years ago in mud flats in southern Spain.

"This is the power of tsunamis," head researcher Richard Freund told Reuters.

"It is just so hard to understand that it can wipe out 60 miles inland, and that's pretty much what we're talking about," said Freund, a University of Hartford, Connecticut, professor who lead an international team searching for the true site of Atlantis.

To solve the age-old mystery, the team used a satellite photo of a suspected submerged city to find the site just north of Cadiz, Spain. There, buried in the vast marshlands of the Dona Ana Park, they believe that they pinpointed the ancient, multi-ringed dominion known as Atlantis.

The team of archeologists and geologists in 2009 and 2010 used a combination of deep-ground radar, digital mapping, and underwater technology to survey the site.

Freund's discovery in central Spain of a strange series of "memorial cities," built in Atlantis' image by its refugees after the city's likely destruction by a tsunami, gave researchers added proof and confidence, he said.

Atlantis residents who did not perish in the tsunami fled inland and built new cities there, he added.

The team's findings will be unveiled on Sunday in "Finding Atlantis," a new National Geographic Channel special.

While it is hard to know with certainty that the site in Spain in Atlantis, Freund said the "twist" of finding the memorial cities makes him confident Atlantis was buried in the mud flats on Spain's southern coast.

"We found something that no one else has ever seen before, which gives it a layer of credibility, especially for archeology, that makes a lot more sense," Freund said.

Greek philosopher Plato wrote about Atlantis some 2,600 years ago, describing it as "an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Hercules," as the Straits of Gibraltar were known in antiquity. Using Plato's detailed account of Atlantis as a map, searches have focused on the Mediterranean and Atlantic as the best possible sites for the city.

Tsunamis in the region have been documented for centuries, Freund says. One of the largest was a reported 10-story tidal wave that slammed Lisbon in November, 1755.

Debate about whether Atlantis truly existed has lasted for thousands of years. Plato's "dialogues" from around 360 B.C. are the only known historical sources of information about the iconic city. Plato said the island he called Atlantis "in a single day and night... disappeared into the depths of the sea."

Experts plan further excavations are planned at the site where they believe Atlantis is located and at the mysterious "cities" in central Spain 150 miles away to more closely study geological formations and to date artifacts.





http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-tsunami-atlantis-idUSTRE72B2JR20110312

Interesting dates: 17th of August & 28th of October 2011

no it's not the end me thinks...

My aztec and mayan friends told me this YEAR is the time of freaky MADNESS....

no matter what happens at the end of THIS year (as the Mayan's knew the exact age of OUR universe....what does it actually matter? AND it is this cycle that ends, not the 2012!!!)

Things are moving (pantha reis) , but at the same time things remain...if in the spiritual realm .. unchanged...

this is the difference between knowledge and widsom..

knowledge can be power(ful) if one knows how to manipulate it...

but wisdom is POWER in itself. no manipulation possible! this is the difference between the spirit (eternity) and the knowledgable flesh of the current NOW, no fear my friends

And here we have the self proclaimed master talking about the influences of the "Cusp" astrologically and psychologically and materialistically speaking regarding 2012

INTERESTING...