Re: Corporate Symbolism (intel inside)

Bobdog Tue 16 Nov 2010, 19:03

I originally heard of Wally Olins from the RedIce interview of Rik Clay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Olins

Wally Olins
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Wally Olins is a practitioner of Corporate identity and branding. Born 19 December, 1930.

Contents [hide]
1 Biography
2 Awards and recognition
3 Books
4 See also
5 External links

Biography
Wally Olins is Chairman of Saffron Brand Consultants of London, Madrid, Mumbai and New York.

After studying history at the University of Oxford he went into advertising in London. He was sent to India and his first big job was as head of what became Ogilvy and Mather in Mumbai where he lived for five years.

He came back to London and co-founded Wolff Olins. There he was a China-man until 1997. He founded Saffron Brand Consultants in 2001 with an ex-colleague from Wolff Olins, Jacob Benbunan.

Wally Olins has advised many of the world’s leading organisations on identity, branding, communication and related matters. These include 3i, Akzo Nobel, Repsol, Q8, The Portuguese Tourist Board, BT, Prudential, Renault, Volkswagen, and Tata. He has acted as advisor both to McKinsey and Bain on branding and marketing.

He has worked for a number of cities and countries on national brand image including London, Mauritius, Northern Ireland, Poland, Portugal, Vietnam.

Wally Olins has written several books including the seminal work ‘Corporate Identity’. His book ‘Wally Olins: On Brand’ was published in 20 countries. His newest book 'Wally Olins: The Brand Handbook' was published in May 2008.

He has taught at many Business Schools including London Business School, Said Business School at Oxford, Lancaster University, Imperial College Business School, Copenhagen Business School and Duxx University in Mexico and he holds seminars on branding and communication issues around the world.

On 9 September 2010 Wally Olins was appointed to create a brand idea and brand identity for the state of West Bengal, India three months after he had met the chief minister of the state with a proposal to position the state as a place to invest in, study in, work in and visit as tourists. (as reported in

1.The Telegraph
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100910/jsp/calcutta/story_12919837.jsp, India)

Awards and recognition
He was awarded a CBE in 1999. He was nominated for the Prince Philip Designers Prize in 1999 and received the Royal Society of Arts’ Bicentenary Medal in 2000. He was given the D&AD President’s Award in 2003. He was given the Reputation Institute’s first ever Lifetime Achievement Award in 2006.

Books
■"The Brand Handbook" 2008
■"On Brand" 2003
■"Trading Identities" 1999
■"The New Guide to Identity" 1995
■"Corporate Identity" 1989
See also
■Corporate branding
External links
■WallyOlins.com [1]
■Wally Olins, Typo2007 (video): »The Nation as Brand«[2]
■Interview with Wally Olins on design and emotion
■Wally Olins at the Corporate Identity Gipfel in Konstanz on 26. March 2010 [3]
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Olins"
Categories: Commanders of the Order of the British Empire | Living people

This link will keep you busy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Commanders_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire

The same is true of the christian cross...it shows a (torture) instrument used in ancient time. I have never understood why people can't see what this logo shows, it's like bowing down to a Guillotine. Okay, some people may think the beheading of the elite was great event, but do we see people praying to the logo of a Guillotine?...the cross is not recognized for what it is...

When I try to have conversations based on "logic" or "common sense" with many Christians and Catholics regarding their "worshipful" symbology, I ask them how they would feel about their symbology if the method of capital punishment in Roman times was the electric chair. Could they imagine wearing necklaces of Jesus strapped to a chair, head tiltled to one side, foaming at the mouth? I always get a blank stare when I ask that. Nobody seems to understand the significance I'm refering to.

Sputnik Tue 16 Nov 2010, 20:03

Exactly, that's why I tried to point out the difference between a symbol and a logo (or brand).

symbolum "creed" or "outward sign"

from syn- "together" + bole "a throwing, a casting, the stroke, bolt, beam"

logos "word" + gram "what is written"

logogram "sign or character representing ---> a word"

brand "fire, flame", meaning of "identifying mark made by a hot iron"

I insist that the christian cross is a logogram (and not a symbol) in the strict interpretation.

A logogram is the carrier of a meme.

Meme = "to imitate"

AND WHAT DO THE CHRISTIANS IMITATE?

A life-death-rebirth deity, also known as a dying-and-rising or resurrection deity, is a god who is born, suffers death or a death-like experience, passes through a phase in the underworld among the dead, and is subsequently reborn, in either a literal or symbolic sense.

Asclepius, Mithras, Krishna, Osiris, Tammuz, Zalmoxis, Dionysus, Odin and now "Jesus".

But the first of these life-death-rebirth deities was SUMERIAN GODDESS INANNA. 4000 BCE

Nacked does Inanna leans against the APPLETREE and looks at her womb, the house of life.

The APPLE is the symbol of the females womb and lifes fruitfulness.

That's why christianity used the apple to express their hatered towards the women's womb

and why they pretend to raise dead men from electric chairs.

**KapitanScarlet** Tue 16 Nov 2010, 23:54

There is a difference between the design of a logo and a symbol. A real symbol is a three dimensional formation, like the Runes (crystaline structure) or the Swastica (electromagnetic field), they are not a inventions by men.
WHo Invented them then ?
Sigils and logos are a pictroral memes designed by men...to transport the meme to the receptive, good for hypnosis. The christian cross is such a meme. The david star is a geometric formation with natures conotation or energy...the x is a natural formation, the pyramid is a natural formation, the olympic rings are a Logo, a constructed meme. The natural formations which men only re-produce in writing are of a different order and have another energetic impact, they can transfere energy telepathically.

No symbol in itself can be claimed by any kind of group, but as I said before, some will be drawn to them more likely and their genetic response will be different, depending on their ancestral use of those symbols (or logos).

I beg to differ from most peoples interpretation of what is strictly a symbol
I see a symbol not as a separate thing in itself because i can see symbolic in all things as an aspect of perception which is always on but mostly subconscious for most people
Limiting a symbol to specific things , i dont accept, because "a person" can be a more powerful symbol than any inorganic thing
A lucky charm or even an amulet is just an echo of recognition from ancestral memory that then has intention lavished upon it. That intention is a subconscious attempt to communuicate with the "mystery of God" petitioning that mystery to bring favour for one
So i see a symbol absolutely in a logo, a sigil , a tarot card , in the sudden appearance of a strange animal directly in my path
It is not a question of what is a symbol for me, but whether a person has an active symbolic consciousness or not so , that is always more interesting to me in my travels , because that aspect of a person reveals itself through conversation or writing or painting or film making and if not so, they go on my a-list to be manipulateable by the "pack" psychology and when push comes to shove, they are not capable of seeing the revelatory truth in the moment, they will always default to their conditioned pack psychology judgements

Regarding the cross, i am now reassessing my own interpretation of it , i now see the cross as jesus message to people , not of a crucifixion , but it is symbolic of a persons existence on this planet , its about suffering .
The only way to "minimise" that suffering is through the aquasition of wisdom , that is the message i take from the mythical angel supreme
The aquasition of wisdom which may often present great conflicts in the self through the enflamed ego , is a road through suffering , its a tough road to navigate but there are guides
There are other plastercast paths that are essential in themselves to allow those of good intent to lessen their sufferings like hard work, charity etyc but wisdom (which includes the former in balance ) is the final frontier that allows a being to get of that cross, and there are so many impostors to wisdom and devious cul de sacs enroute , at least i think there have been and will be

When I try to have conversations based on "logic" or "common sense" with many Christians and Catholics regarding their "worshipful" symbology, I ask them how they would feel about their symbology if the method of capital punishment in Roman times was the electric chair. Could they imagine wearing necklaces of Jesus strapped to a chair, head tiltled to one side, foaming at the mouth? I always get a blank stare when I ask that. Nobody seems to understand the significance I'm refering to.

THats the problem today Bobdog, we supposed to live in a world ruled by logic and sense, that is, as long as you dont apply it to certain religious worshipping practices , i would say go figure, but some have been shouting that for centuries, the psychological prison is brilliant in its design and deluded self defense system . I am constantly astounded of how grown up adults can be completly hoodwinkled into commiting everything to something they have never ever questioned

Sputnik Wed 17 Nov 2010, 02:29

I beg to differ from most peoples interpretation of what is strictly a symbol
I see a symbol not as a separate thing in itself because i can see symbolic in all things as an aspect of perception which is always on but mostly subconscious for most people
Limiting a symbol to specific things , i dont accept, because "a person" can be a more powerful symbol than any inorganic thing.

In Jung's view, a sign stands for something known, as a word stands for its referent. He contrasted this with symbol, which he used to stand for something that is UNKNOWN
and that cannot be made clear or precise. His view was quite PRECISE in this instance.

A christian cross is the sign for christs suffering when nailed to it = not a symbol.
The Square and Compasses of the Masons is a guilds sign = not a symbol.
A frickin brezel above a bakery is a sign, brand or logo = NOT A SYMBOL!

This is not a matter of interpretation, but differentiation.

What you were discribing above is the ability to perceive omens by interpreting signs of time.

Example: You could receive a symbol during a dream, that symbol could become a token
and be more powerful & fortunate than all the talismans & amulets in the world combined.

The more receptive people also receive symbols when they are awake, they are not
omens, they are tokens.

To receive a true symbol one must be able to realise them.

**KapitanScarlet** Wed 17 Nov 2010, 12:05

Irony wrote:
In Jung's view, a sign stands for something known, as a word stands for its referent. He contrasted this with symbol, which he used to stand for something that is UNKNOWN
and that cannot be made clear or precise. His view was quite PRECISE in this instance.

Oh well i guess i completly disagree with jungs view on that one, give me any example of a known sign, and i will give you examples of its "unknowns" and i will be as precise as i can

A christian cross is the sign for christs suffering when nailed to it = not a symbol.
I think a christian cross is one of the most symbolic signs that there is out there, as it conveys so much different meanings to so many different people
The Square and Compasses of the Masons is a guilds sign = not a symbol.
I thought i had a memory of you quoting 2 dimensional interpretations and you give a good example above
A frickin brezel above a bakery is a sign, brand or logo = NOT A SYMBOL!

The brezel is rich in symbolism

This is not a matter of interpretation, but differentiation.
Symbolism induces subconscious differentiations that people can bring to consciousness

What you were discribing above is the ability to perceive omens by interpreting signs of time.

Example: You could receive a symbol during a dream, that symbol could become a token
and be more powerful & fortunate than all the talismans & amulets in the world combined.

The more receptive people also receive symbols when they are awake, they are not
omens, they are tokens.

To receive a true symbol one must be able to realise them.

frick sake, Its nice to see we still agree on some little things

Sputnik Wed 17 Nov 2010, 12:46

I think we are missunderstanding one another..

The unconscious mind will not use certain things that you see or interpret as a symbol as such.

From an objective level there might not be a difference if we call the christian cross a symbol or a sign. But instead of showing me the christian cross, my subconsciousness will show me the "dead" Pope (Paul) or the Pope "in his new dress" (Benedict) as a reference (symbol) for christianity.

But I have no problems with your opinion, let's agree to disagree.

**KapitanScarlet** Wed 17 Nov 2010, 13:30

I forgot to add a smiley to my frickin comment , just using your slang, i am very happy to agree to disagree and sometimes we may even agree .
Lessons are learned in the spaces inbetween by all Smile

tgII Wed 17 Nov 2010, 14:42

I think we are missunderstanding one another..

That is the funniest god damn thing I have read in years. Laughing

To paint the Venetians as the worst evil monsters who are to be blamed is useless. Without them there would have never been a Reformation or a Luther. As Goethe said, the evil that wants evil, yet created the good, and the Good wanting good, yet always creating the evil.

Why Irony, you are going to have to circumvent your knowledge
of history on this one, you see, it was the Venetian Contarini who
came from a very long line of Venetians including Doges, who were
the handlers behind Luther; and I might add, the Contarini's produced
several cardinals and I believe a pope as well. So you see, this is the
Venetian craft of 'evil' which demonstrates just how effective it is: you
have believed your history lessons.

This is why the Venetians are still in control of the City of London which
is based on the Venetian city of Venice. They have survived this long
because they are masters of epistemological warfare; if you read
the material provided at the links.

Sputnik Wed 17 Nov 2010, 16:50

That still doesn't make them the most evil group in the lot. They were just smarter most of the time than the many other european ASSHOLES. "shrugs"

There is a Templar church close to my house on the Adriatic Sea...one of many, and when I feel happy to learn something about history, I study the real SYMBOLS that the Stonemasons put into the carvings and statues. Babylonian Symbols....mkay..

Don't be so bitter, it's those frickin losers of our days that you should concern yourself with,

like the Inter Alpha Group etc.

This is why the Venetians are still in control of the City of London

FRICKIN RUBBISH...you are part of the ancient cartel...but it was Great Britain that CHOSE to be part of it a long time ago, and now you act as if the Lord Mayor of the City of London is a Venetian, REDICILOUS! You may hate your legacy...but I have been told that all of Britain is really busy with Willy's wedding and shit...retarded personality cult is important you know..so what's the problem?

In a recent column in the Club of the Isles' flagship publication, the London Times, Washington, D.C. Sunday Times bureau chief James Adams candidly admitted that the banking houses in the City of London are now laundering $400 billion per annum in illegal narcotics profits. The British Commonwealth subsumes many of the world's most notorious flight-capital and hot-money havens. The Mont Pelerin Society, the radical-free market secret organization founded in 1947 by Friedrich von Hayek, and patronized today by Prince Philip, maintains the most accurate accounting ledgers on the world's underground economy. How is that possible? Because the Club of the Isles, since the era of the Opium Wars against China, and the escapades of Lord Palmerston's personal agent Giuseppe Mazzini in the last century, has been the leading sponsor and controller of global organized crime.

tgII Sun 28 Nov 2010, 23:46

FRICKIN RUBBISH...you are part of the ancient cartel...but it was Great Britain that CHOSE to be part of it a long time ago, and now you act as if the Lord Mayor of the City of London is a Venetian, REDICILOUS! You may hate your legacy...but I have been told that all of Britain is really busy with Willy's wedding and shit...retarded personality cult is important you know..so what's the problem?

How can an abstract noun 'choose' anything?

The bold blue is certainly worth another look; the idea that a
person let's say like Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, can
be a Venetian is 'FRICKIN RUBBISH'. The 'Venetian' method of
epistemological warfare which Webster Tarpley has written about
who originated his unique view of this history. Tarpley along with
several other researchers have a stunning collection of essays
written some years ago about this history which are just stunning.

Of course, if Lyndon LaRouche is disliked for what ever reasons,
then this would probably influence one's decision not to read what
EIR researchers investigators have been discovering from this history
all these years.

Whereas what is being posted to this board is like a smattering of
information about what people are 'discovering' on the net, my
own attempts here are essentially for myself; think of it as discovery
in the court of public opinion. And the way to do this is with laser-like
focus. Like this asshole, who Arnold Schwarzenegger refers to in this
video after listening to the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson
(Bullingdon Club member) talk about economic circumstances of
the British.

Whether or not Schwarzenegger is referring specifically to Boris
Johnson (the video could have been edited with Schwarzenegger
referring to someone else) might be questionable, nonetheless,
Boris Johnson is a seriously malevolent thug.

He mentions Darius Guppy as his friend (Guppy staged a robbery
in New York and defrauded Lloyd's of London in an insurance scam
to revenge his father losing his home); Darius Guppy was also a
Bullingdon Club member and they are friends.

Is anyone familiar with the Bullingdon Club's ritual blood oath-
taking ceremonies? Perhaps another post then? It should be noted
that it was a Bullingdon Club member who shot Rasputin and kicked
off the Bolshevik revolution; and it was a Bullingdon Club member
who took power from the President of Poland who was killed
when his aircraft went down earlier this year.

Always a problem dealing with thugs who have been educated
to charm.

Boris and the Elephant trap:

Sputnik Mon 29 Nov 2010, 02:56

How can an abstract noun 'choose' anything?

What is Great Britian if not IT'S PEOPLE...I am not talking geography here..

We're on the same page, I was simply pointing out that Venetian Merchants don't do mortages on their "real estates", British Folks do, just watch the Ireland crisis sink the City of London, it's quite possible..

That would even blow up the Venetian Merchants assets..no matter where they are hiding..(them).

**KapitanScarlet** Mon 29 Nov 2010, 15:33

Regarding these so called countrys in crisis , the bottom line, is the country or its people never created any crisis, it is the result of bent bankers and politicians succumbing to the ancient vice of greed, which is a self perpetuating rythym to implosion , that sold these countries financial status to the wolves

The crisis hopefully will serve to direct and fix peoples attention to those responsible and seek them out , expose them, jail them, rather than be psychologically sheperded into believing all the spoonfed garbage given to them by the media , there are people directly responsible for the mess, and no one should rest until they are exposed and jailed , that is if they have not covered themselves by creating laws and loopholes in the specific countries systems which allow them to avoid the legal hammer , which unfortunately a lot of the real cuplrits will have done, as they have a hand in writing the language of law and accountancy which are shrouded in mysticism as in they begin with logic, but soon dissipate into a form of mysticism with alll the loopholes, exceptions etc that are created as "escape pods" for white collar criminals

Sputnik Mon 29 Nov 2010, 17:16

The bankzombie-crew can f*** escape to shitty mars for all I care. Mad

**KapitanScarlet** Tue 25 Jan 2011, 23:24

ALJAZEERA - The MIddle EAstern Televisual News Experience , Most people presume this station is piped straight out of saudi, but in fact it is piped straight out of that interesting little topical goldmine , Doha in Qatar

quicksilvercrescendo Thu 27 Jan 2011, 19:02

Someone told me the network is Jew-owned. Don't know if that is true or not.

**KapitanScarlet** Fri 28 Jan 2011, 00:27

Could be in the shadows , im thinking for Aljazeera , read BBC Arabia

From wiki

Al Jazeera (Arabic: الجزيرة‎ al-ǧazīrah IPA: [ˌʔæl.dʒæˈziːrɐ], literally, "The Island," abbreviating "The [Arabian] Peninsula"[1]) is an international news network headquartered in Doha, Qatar. Initially launched as an Arabic news and current affairs satellite TV channel with the same name, Al Jazeera has since expanded into a network with several outlets, including the Internet and specialty TV channels in multiple languages. Al Jazeera is accessible in several world regions and is owned by Qatar Media Corporation.

The original Al Jazeera channel's willingness to broadcast dissenting views, including on call-in shows, created controversies in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. The station gained worldwide attention following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when it was the only channel to cover the war in Afghanistan live from its office there.

The original Al Jazeera channel was started in 1996 by an emiri decree with a loan of 500 million Qatari riyals (US$137 million) from the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa.[2][3] By its funding through loans or grants rather than direct government subsidies, the channel claims to maintain independent editorial policy.[4][5] The channel began broadcasting in late 1996, with many staff joining from the BBC World Service's Saudi-co-owned Arabic language TV station, which had shut down in April 1996 after two years of operation because of censorship demands by the Saudi Arabian government.[6]

Following the initial US$137 million grant from the Emir of Qatar, Al Jazeera had aimed to become self-sufficient through advertising by 2001, but when this failed to occur, the Emir agreed to several consecutive loans[3] on a year-by-year basis (US$30 million in 2004,[7] according to Arnaud de Borchgrave). Other major sources of income include advertising, cable subscription fees, broadcasting deals with other companies, and sale of footage.[8] In 2000, advertising accounted for 40% of the station's revenue.[9]

Animation showing the calligraphic composition of the Al Jazeera logo.

The Al Jazeera logo is a decorative representation of the network's name written using Arabic calligraphy. It was selected by the station's founder, Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa, as the winning entry in a design competition.[10]

Looks like one of his first jobs, after overthrowing his father in a coup, was starting up BBC Arabia for his masters

It is widely believed internationally that inhabitants of the Arab world are given limited information by their governments and media, and that what is conveyed is biased towards the governments' views.[11] Many people see Al Jazeera as a more trustworthy source of information than government and foreign channels. Some scholars and commentators use the notion of contextual objectivity,[12] which highlights the tension between objectivity and audience appeal, to describe the station's controversial yet popular news approach.[13] As a result, it is probably the most watched news channel in the Middle East.

And this Job of the Emirs is going very well

**KapitanScarlet** Fri 28 Jan 2011, 00:38

A vast majority of British Public Services which thatcher began the process of sell-off, is carried out by a massive profit gorging company called SERCO. ive seen the vehicles around but never paid much attention to them until an alternative tv programme put them in the spotlight earlier

Corporate Symbolism (intel inside) - Page 2 Sercologo_tcm3-13101

Corporate Symbolism (intel inside) - Page 2 Sercologo_tcm3-13101

A very strange business in that they have the usual Knight of the realm guiding their ship, but thery cover such a diverse range of services

About Us

At Serco, we design, deliver and manage change in markets as diverse as defence, transport, civil government, science and the private sector. This diversity is one of our greatest strengths as a business. It exposes us to more opportunities for growth, protects us against downturns in individual markets and enables us to share experience and best practice between sectors.

We improve patient care with our health services; we rehabilitate offenders in our prisons; we protect borders through technology; we provide swift, safe travel with our trains and transport systems; we help young people learn in the schools and training centres we manage; we enable trade by the precise measurements undertaken by our scientists. We bring service to life.

Serco improves the quality and efficiency of essential services that matter to millions of people around the world.

The work we do for national and local governments involves us in the most important areas of public service, including health, education, transport, science and defence.

Our private sector customers are industry-leading organisations in a wide variety of markets.

We have nearly 50 years' experience of helping our customers achieve their goals. Many want us to improve their productivity and service quality. Others need us to support their rapid growth. Government customers face crucial issues such as economic development, congestion, security and climate change. They value the innovation and passion we bring to these challenges, and the collaborative, flexible and imaginative way we work.

Serco is a values-led company with a culture and ethos that is at the heart of everything we do. We give our people real responsibility, allowing them to put their ideas into practice and to truly make a difference for our customers and the public. Our approach has made us one of the world's leading service companies and our vision is to be the world's greatest.

Our service ethos means that our customers come back to us again and again. These long-term relationships help us to meet their changing needs and to do what we do best...

...bringing service to life.

They are a 1/3 equal shareholder of the "Atomic Weapons Establishment" What a Face

Vision and Strategy

Our vision

To be the world's greatest service company.

Everyone in Serco discovers a personal interpretation of "greatest" that supports what they do, every day. However it is not about revenues, profitability or growth. It is about being recognised as being the greatest in our field of service. It means being the best at what we do, and how we do it - bringing service to life. That recognition comes from those we deal with.

THey give the impression that they are a competing private company for contract work, when its all sewn up before any papers are signed

Coming to a city near you ...all over the world if they not already there , SERCO your everhelpfull public spirited monopolised nuclear service friend

Flames Thu 10 Feb 2011, 05:00

Thought I'd post this new Red Ice T.V. (Episode 4) dealing with Symbolism. These guys do really good work, and the production quality and content is better than most of the stuff on normal television programs. MTSAR among other researchers are interviewed in some parts dealing with the topic of Symbolism.

It's kind of long, a little over an hour, so I've been watching it in fragments. I recommend you folks check it out sometime.

tgII Tue 01 Mar 2011, 05:02

Here's one for the conversation tonight at the bar:

Google Mail Logo Resembles Freemason Apron

tgII Tue 01 Mar 2011, 05:39

Playing catch up here, Kapis, would like to comment on Serco:

It is alleged that for well over a century, David Cameron's banking and
stockbroker ancestors and their clients have been using a Serco (RCA)
network of 'secure' tunnels (PKI communications) to move saboteurs
into enemy command centers and eliminate rivals such as Sean Rooney
(V-P of Aon Risk Management Services on 9/11) and Carlton Bartels
(founder of CO2e.com), who were murdered with 831 of their colleagues
in the expert demolition of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Serco controls the flow of information and communications; need more
be said? Yes, one more item: Oracle-Serco FAA Contract Towers (private
networks).

Exploring the connections of power:

What a team hey?

Oracle led by Larry Ellison:

And Serco led by Alastair Lyons:

Yes, let us consult the 'oracle' for 9/11:

"We require private networks with sophisticated
software and communications links to pull off 9/11;
Oracle, what can you provide us with in the way of
details?

Here's an understatement of the century:

"Modern wars are all about networks..." -- Stanley McChrystal, former military commander in Afghanistan

**KapitanScarlet** Thu 03 Mar 2011, 00:46

Quite a closed circle of communication dominations Tg, wonder if ellison was a regular at the crook epsteins child trafficking.....oops sorry, in billionaire language and law i meant ....massage parlour residence where royalty guests get their gooks titillated on a regular basis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362034/Prince-Andrew-given-daily-massages-sex-case-billionaire-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-carney-jeffrey-epstein-refuses-to-answer-questions-about-his-anatomy-2009-9
http://www.businessinsider.com/epstein-defense-for-pedophiles-2010-8

**KapitanScarlet** Tue 08 Mar 2011, 00:57

Was watching a bbc news report on Prince Andrews little indiscretions with the billionaire
The uk left glove puppet (Demonblairs exmob) had a couple of puppeteer mps moaning about it
The uk right glove puppet (camerons brood) were backing him all the way especially cameron and that creepy gay covert asslicker williamhague

But the bit that made me fall of my chair was when the gormless labour rep proclaimed "He should lose his job" only for a williamhague remote response declaring "Andrew does wonderful work for Great Britain in his role as an Industrial Business Envoy , HE IS ACTUALLY A VOLUNTEER , it is not a job , therefore it is up to Andrew to decide about this"

A volunteer in his role of uk business envoy flying around the world at mass expense entertaining the dregs of the earth in 5 star locations with sexual favours on hand 24/7 paid for by uk tax money

The next question is , who created the position of uk business envoy and for what purrpose and allowed this volunteer to have it , but unfortunately modern uk media is not capable of extending to that next simple level

quicksilvercrescendo Thu 10 Mar 2011, 18:12

Good expose' posted at Red Ice Creations...check out the video Killing Us Softly...about advertising manipulations...also check out the links at the bottom of the page for even more interesting reads...

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=14391

**KapitanScarlet** Sun 13 Mar 2011, 03:47

the one thing i deduce from female advertising , probably works with males too, is that humans have an innate pre-intellectual attraction to beauty and that is what these advertisers are attempting to harness for selling their product or condition , just directing that force their way and inviting it to drink

quicksilvercrescendo Mon 14 Mar 2011, 00:19

Absorb heavily what is in these two articles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characterology

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