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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 26 Dec 2009, 00:33

Flames REf THe daemon , thx for posting that, very interesting .
In part 1 , pEake states its the science that interests him and not the philosophy, the scientific proof, and then goes through various aspects of his theory using "proofs" yet he is standing there saying that , without the present recogniton that there is absolutly no scientific proof to explain the origin of himself as a representation of humanity ... ie the first human or humans ......so how can something give credence to a discipline , when that very discipline cant explain the very vehicle that gives it credence ?
unless hes a darwinist off course, they really got it spot on there, with these scientific theories Very Happy

Im just being a smart ass here, im not disrespecting him or his theory in any way, although i dont align with his theory, it is still very thought provoking and a very worthy study i feel.

I would then recommend anyone to hear part 8 where some audience member states that william blake used to have visions / images etc, then would stay up all night trying to capture their essence in writing or art , but nowadays they give you pills to sort that condition out...what insight and observation Smile

An audience member then displays their opposition to peakes theory , and the way peake handles that is quite dignified of the highest order , he goes on to speak about his own "philosiophy" of his theory maybe without realising that he is doing that , so i just told him LOL
He talks about having his forum exactly for the greatest rreason a forum should exist .. to stimulate and challenge his theory , maybe even show him where he is wrong in some areas, or up the wrong path, or missing out on something, just as his inmformation may show to others.

Ive got to say flames, this guys attitude and dignity really caught my attention in his relationship to the search for knowledge

Great stuff
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Post  seraphim on Tue 29 Dec 2009, 06:29

Finally got to hear this, thanks, I made a few connections myself!
Anthony Peake states that there is an agent in the brain responsible for communication, and for particulary experiencing the other side.
And that migraines or a person with temporal epilepsy can create a duality or two people are formed, one being the daemon or higher self, and then doors of perception start opening.
He then said that the neurotransmitter glutamate is responsible for this.

I did a little research (will have links later) and here is what it said.

"Persons sensitive to monosodium glutamate (MSG) may also want to avoid glutamine supplements, since the body can convert glutamine into glutamate."
"glutamic acid serves as a neurotransmitter vital to the transmission of nerve impulses in many parts of the central nervous system. "

"A review of the glutamate data in schizophrenia provides evidence consistent with the observation that alterations in
glutamate function may play a role in this disease."

"One of the major deficits in schizophrenia, documented by a number of investigators over the years, is the general
inability of patients to filter incoming external sensory information efficiently."

"In general, an increase in glutamate receptors labeled by the neuroexcitatory agonists 3H-aspartate and 3H-kainate
is found in frontal cortical areas of schizophrenics, compared with levels in controls."
"Ketamine's effects on the brain are well documented. It mainly binds to and blocks glutamate receptors (also as N-P
receptors) all over the brain. Glutamate is an excitatory neurotransmitter. It turns on cell activity and is part
of the computer-like on / off mechanism that underlies brain activity.

Ketamine blocks glutamate activity, giving rise to either entire cell bank shutdown in some brain areas or changes
in the way cell clusters integrate or interpret incoming data in others. Overall, the result is the much famed K-Hole
effect: certain brain parts go into temporary hibernation, mainly the senses and physical sensations, while others
- imagination, and other unnamed perceptions from the depths of the mind - are amplified.(1)"
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Post  seraphim on Tue 29 Dec 2009, 06:55

I'm really beginning to wonder about the FDA, they put out MSG by the loads and it comes in many different names which are not regulated or even have to be labeled as MSG.
Do they want to make people have schizophrenic episodes, because all the research leads to glutamate as the culprit. Well I don't want to get into another conspiracy of theres, but would rather talk about Peake's research.

So it's a double edged sword, he claims that those psych diseases like manic depression, schizophrenia, or epilepsy itself are actually benefiting a person because they can get in touch with there higher self and other realms. But the medical establishment wants to put a lid on those experiencing anything that is different than the normal state of mind and to keep one only in this reality IMO. They want to keep people crazy, these people have no guidance and get scared and out of there mind when leaving there body or having one of these episodes. So if these people are trained maybe they can control the doors to perception and live a life as well.

Yeah he remains scientific, one has to these days to get across to folks. I agree that sounds or waves can affect one's perceptions. He said that ultrasounds? (he had a heavy accent and I didn't get all the words) can cause a person to see apparitions. But I want to make it clear that these apparitions are real and not a byproduct of the wave, but allow the doors to open so one can See other realities.

I've never had this higher self the deamon talk in order to guide me, though I've had my entire perception and way of thinking changed one time by something outside of me, in an emergency.

Oh, he talks of a woman who's deamon told her that she had a tumor in her brain and she better get help. Well, I think that's great and that might have been the case, but still I don't trust the establishment, nowadays, they can beam voices in the head to manipulate people. If the voice kept telling her she had cancer, she could have given it to herself easily, (people have these abilities, in multi personalities one may have a disease and the other not, plus if
you keep telling a person they will get sick, and if they are weak minded they most likely will), and then the voice told her to only go to a special hospital to check on the tumor. Yes, that certain hospital because that is where the establishment keeps track of it's experiments, not because it specializes in cancer.

Anyway, can't trust that one. But for sure the daemon research should be looked into and is most likely valid since it occured all throughout history. The holographic and parallel universes as well, it really does explain alot that the brain by itself can't. Laughing

I believe in an energetic double and a higher self, for sure they need to be looked into. So, to get in touch one will have almost all the answers. Won't need science then.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 29 Dec 2009, 20:40

So it's a double edged sword, he claims that those psych diseases like manic depression, schizophrenia, or epilepsy itself are actually benefiting a person because they can get in touch with there higher self and other realms. But the medical establishment wants to put a lid on those experiencing anything that is different than the normal state of mind and to keep one only in this reality IMO. They want to keep people crazy, these people have no guidance and get scared and out of there mind when leaving there body or having one of these episodes. So if these people are trained maybe they can control the doors to perception and live a life as well.

Yeah he remains scientific, one has to these days to get across to folks. I agree that sounds or waves can affect one's perceptions. He said that ultrasounds? (he had a heavy accent and I didn't get all the words) can cause a person to see apparitions. But I want to make it clear that these apparitions are real and not a byproduct of the wave, but allow the doors to open so one can See other realities.

yeah its a theory with evidence from many sources throughout history, although in my opinion, modern science does not have the language to sufficiently understand this phenomena

The human being exists in 2 worlds, the physical world and the imaginary world

The consciousness is thus sitting at the intersection between 2 worlds , it has to process information coming from 2 different realms, one of these realms can give the illusion of permanence whilst the other realm is a complete transient
But the human consciousness using intent can isolate any portion of its transient, convert it into a consciousness sense then express it through idea or concept , oe even more than that give it permanence through a book , a film, a utube or even a physical structure

In my understanding, this daemon aspect has to reside in the transient imaginary world, which is as real or as unreal as the intent that a consciousness allows it

for somebody to actually say they have seen their own double, does not sound unreasonable to me, it can be explained just as easy through the concept of lucid dreaming where the persona is not aware they are lucid , and this condition may even be imposed on a consciousness through chemical addition or extreme stress situations if only for moment, the veil between reality and dream couild easily be crossed, once a consciousness is de-stabilised

In blakes day, artists and creative types might crave and seek the state of consciousness that might lead to vissionary or dream experiences, and actively seek a lifestyle that may stimulate that
Nowadays, you would be labelled mentally unstable if doing the above , or at least a label would be required for you, like a drugnut or just a plain nutcase mostly due to societys need to completly limit the accepted "behaviour" of its citizens, understandable from a fear based perspective, because it might open up a complete can of worms were these areas to be "openly" explored

so it suits society to keep the lid on consciousness expansion and restriction, and call it an illness, while its own legal nutcases quietly study and experiment on people on the very subject matter

Consciousness can only be explained through the very aspects of expresion and impression it emanates , that is the 5 royal languages of expression , which are logic, analogy, metaphor, allegory and the mystic or seer and science alone cannot cover that bandwidth

i think that any person whio is deemed crazy, is actually a symptom of their environment , physical and psychic, the problem is, that mainstream society only deal in the physical, what is their term ... "illness" because in truth, the whitecoats do not understand the psychic

sounds and strobes, definete incredible effect as does light, then add a little chemical like ectasy, and wo to thee my friend wo to thee , your going to go somewhere new, some dont even need the chemical, im sure the fireside native dancers could educate on that
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Post  seraphim on Tue 29 Dec 2009, 22:49

The chemicals in the brain obviously induce changes and that may be beneficial but it's random and uncontrollable.
I think schizophrenia is manifested from a severe imbalance and is not the path one should take if looking to open the doors or see their double or explore. I don't think their is one schizophrenic person who can turn themselves sane enough to control or realize the potentials. Being bipolar or epileptic may split the mind or cause one to have a glimpse and that may be good, but that would be the synthetic version of going about to try and See, with the severe side effects associated with them. And why one doesn't go very far in those cases.

I already mentioned the natural way, through dreams and of course meditating but that is difficult. So the alternative is drugs. But so much has been forgotten about them and that's why people go nuts, everything about them has been taken away, except for the Natives and those who kept those ways. A person who doesn't understand like the folks of today, don't realize the importance of knowing that certain plants are Spirits and sometimes are called Gods and can teach a person almost anything they want to know if they are ready.
And one has to have some kind of discipline and a strong mind before attempting to do any drug, because those that change the consciousness can be very addictive and will control a person, plus being open and manipulated by the energies, without even knowing it.

Because the mind starts out weak from birth and usually stays that way. So take caution and have some kind of support system. Just as the natives have done and have been successful without losing their minds and were able to experience the expression of one's authentic self.
I don't blame Blake or folks for wanting to wake up or learn.
think that any person whio is deemed crazy, is actually a symptom of their environment , physical and psychic, the problem is, that mainstream society only deal in the physical, what is their term ... "illness" because in truth, the whitecoats do not understand the psychic
A product of the environment, a product of a drug, a product of anything.....A human can be made the product of anything it seems.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 30 Dec 2009, 03:27

plants are spirits
I see that as so crucial, because its a fact that so often is forgotten, the plant is alive , a live entity
A person taking a plant , a herb with the real intent of creating a synergestic result / experience, healing or psycho-active is a completly different ball game than joe bloggs taking them in a clueless mindset about the plant

pre-intention is so under-rated prior to any experience

i came up short when i said the crazy was a symptonm of the environment because it could also be a symptom of a product and it could also be a symptom just off a disturbed self
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 11:35

excellent , a subject of high interest

great "story" on the airshow disaster....scary

and the pre-9-11 coup album cover

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Post  Sputnik on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 12:43

Flames, have you seen the movie "golden copass"?

I have bought Peakes book "Deamon" a couple weeks ago, but didn't have the time yet to read it. When I did so I will write what I think okay.
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Post  Sputnik on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 15:34

I haven't seen that movie, Irony. Is it good?

It has a very interesting storyline and the book/movie is viewed as a opposite statement to the christian flavoured "Narnia story"...

Initially it's a story written in three books and originally it was planned to produce two more movies, but I think that since it was being hated by the Christian churches...and maybe other interestgroups as well, the money dried up quickly. I would think ths story is a bit deeper than the Harry Potter series. "Deeper" in the sense that the author seems to know things about the composition of the human spirit and his companion..that may not be in the interest of either group to have it go mainstream.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 23:44

I have not seen that compass movie but must check it out
Found this website on my travels about the Daimon and a piece about Socrates Daimon connection

Even if he was a stub-nosed Athenian condemned to death over two millennia ago, Socrates totally roxz0rs my soxz0rs, yo. ^^ One of the reasons being that he is the 'father of the dæmon' - speaking of an inner voice that guided him long before Pullman wrote of Pantalaimon and his kind. The philosopher's unseen companion was never given a personalized name, but references to it use spellings ranging from dæmon, daemon, to daimonion. The most common, however, is 'daimon,' considering that this is the Latinized version of the Greek's word for it: δαίμων.

Though Socrates believed his dæmon was a gift from the gods which made him unique, future scholars speculated it was merely Socrates' voice of conscience or prudence; not something of supernatural origins, but a voice from within which we all possess. Over time, the word 'daemon' has been developed to mean 'an attendant power or spirit.' For the Greeks, the daimon was an entity somewhere between mortal and god. In his work Cratylus, Plato uses the term δαίμονες, or daimones, which was taken from their word for knowing or wise (daēmones). The daimon was later divided into two types: Eudaemons and Kakodaemons, similar to the idea of a guardian angel and demon, respectively. And in Hellenistic times, along with most of ancient Greek history, the daimon was external to the man whom it inspired and guided, making the person "possessed" by this motivating spirit. It was partially this view of possession, and largely trying to weed out other religions, that led to the Christian view of daemons as wicked spirits. ¹


Of what order is this daimon, which manifested itself to Socrates in childhood but was also heard by Apollonius of Tyana only after he had begun to put into practice the Hermetic principles? "They are intermediate powers of a divine order. They fashion dreams, inspire soothsayers," says Apuleius. "They are inferior immortals, called gods of the second rank, placed between earth and heaven," says Maximus of Tyre. Plato thinks that a kind of spirit, which is separate from us, receives man at his birth, and follows him in life and after death. He calls it "the daimon which has received us as its portionment." The ancient idea of the daimon seems, therefore, to be analogous to the guardian angel of Christians. Possibly the daimon is nothing but the higher part of man's spirit, that which is separated from the human element and is capable, through ecstasy, of becoming one with the universal spirit. ²


Below is an extended excerpt from my research paper on Socrates. It speaks in more detail about the disposition of his dæmon and how the man viewed his 'divine gift.'

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An intriguing concept that Socrates unintentionally inspired was that of the dæmon (or daimon). The philosopher spoke often of his 'internal oracle' whose injunctions he followed. This voice of guidance gave only negative admonitions (such as 'don't do that' or 'don't say that'), and would warn that certain actions or events would lead to disaster - making it most synonymous with Socrates' conscience. However, the oracle only spoke its mind, but never tried to coerce Socrates into following its advice. H. P. Blavatsky wrote that "the Daimonion of Socrates is the god or Divine Entity which inspired him all his life." ³ Socrates himself said, "The favor of the gods has given me a marvelous gift, which has never left me since my childhood. It is a voice which, when it makes itself heard, deters me from what I am about to do and never urges me on."

He spoke familiarly of this daimon, joked about it and obeyed blindly the indications it gave. Eventually, his friends never took an important step without consulting it. But the daimon had its sympathies, and when it was unfavorable to the questioner it remained absolutely silent; in that event it was quite impossible for Socrates to make it speak. ²

The fact that the daimon had preferences among Socrates' friends and those who asked for advice (that it chose between them) seems to show that its intelligence was different from that of Socrates himself. And he would always listen to its wisdom - sometimes standing motionless for a full day, unaffected by a hard frost, listening to the daimon's recommendations. ³

The dæmon would always warn Socrates if he was undertaking something inappropriate, but remain silent if he did good. Linked to this, the one well-known fact about Socrates' daimon is that it made no sign of opposition during the trail that would condemn Socrates to death. He took this to mean that death was not an evil to be feared, but was instead the next journey of existence. In his own words, Socrates addressed the court by saying, "O my judges - for you I may truly call judges - I should like to tell you of a wonderful circumstance. Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good.."

http://daemonpage.com/

And some more historical connections

On the Daemon
Phil Meade
There is an ancient tradition that at the start of every philosophical investigation it is the custom, at least for all who are sound minded, to invoke God. Golden Verse 29 of the Pythagorean Golden Verses states "Never start on your task until you have implored the blessing of the Gods." Plato in Timeaus 27c adds, "All who have even a small share of good sense call upon God always at the outset of every undertaking, be it small or great." In keeping with the ancients, may Divine inspiration be with us in our attempt to speak about the Good Daemons as guides and more to the ancients.

The focus of this paper will be to explore origins and various ideas concerning the Daemon as recorded in works of Philosophers, mythographers and astrologers. The time frame of our search will span almost two thousand years.

The Greek Philosopher Plotinus (205-270C.E.) is located almost right in the middle of this search for understanding of the Daemon. Homer and Hesiod would be at the beginning and we find Proclus, Michael Psellus and George Gemistos known as Plethon near the end of this search.

Plotinus starts his discussion of the guardian daemon in Ennead 3.4. He is concerned in resolving an immanence-transcendence dilemma. Is the daemon operating in man’s innermost mind like conscience or is the daemon as a transcendent being and in no sense as a force innate in and the property of the human soul. Plotinus’ solution rests on Unity, upon the principal that the soul contains the whole intelligible world- in fact that we are "each of us an intelligible cosmos (ordered whole)." From the perspective of Unity we are our own daemon which may be us at a more refined level. The contrast that Plotinus is writing about is between Plato’s Phaedo 107d where the daemon is represented as an individual entity:

For after death, as they say the daemon of each individual, to whom he belonged in life, leads him to a certain place in which the dead are gathered together, whence after judgement has been given they pass into the world below, following the guide, who is appointed to conduct them from this world to the other: and when they have received their due and remained their time, another guide brings them back again after many revolutions of ages. (Phaedo 107d)

In Timeaus 90A of Plato it is identified with the highest part of the human soul. Somewhat implying that our guardian daemon is the level in the hierarchy of being next above that on which we habitually operate on. Hence, though immanent within us, it is yet transcendent to our normal life.

Plotinus tells us in Enneads IV.4.43:
Even Celestials, the Daemones, are not on their unreasoning side immune: there is nothing against ascribing acts of memory and experiences of sense to them, in supposing them to accept the traction of methods laid up in the natural order, and to give hearing to petitioners; this is especially true of those of them that are closest to this sphere, and in the degree of their concern about it.

Let us go back further in time to the Iliad of Homer to find more clues about this dilemma and perhaps begin to observe seed ideas that are developed through time. In the Iliad a wolf’s rage, Lyssa, appears in the words of Odysseus describing Hector: "Hector, exulting greatly in his might, rages vehemently, relying on Zeus and holding no one in respect, neither men nor gods. And a powerful lyssa has entered him." (IX. 237-9) The warrior who is possessed by the lyssa had entered it seems into an altered state of conscious and has for a time stopped being fully human: daimoni isos, or resembling a supernatural being is the term used by Homer. This martial rage made warriors behave as Zeus’ men or Odin’s men if from the germainc tribes, making the men rush forward without armor, mad as dogs or wolves, who bit there shields and were as strong as bears or wild bulls, and killed people at a blow, but neither fire nor iron told upon themselves. This is known as the Berserkers fury, and is a recognized state of being that warriors have entered before a battle to save their land and family.

There are some indications that the idea of "Good Spirits" and "Guides" are connected with ancestors. The Pythagorean Golden Verse 4 "Honor the Divinities under the earth the daemons," supports this. Cross culturally the Egyptians and the Persians could have seeded these ideas to the Greeks. The Persian Zend Avesta makes mention of angelic/daemonic beings as guides for mankind. The Watchmen of Zeus whom Hesiod writes about in his Works and Days favors them as separate entities.

Thrice ten thousand are the servants of Zeus, immortal watchmen over mortal men; these watch deeds of justice and of wickedness, walking all ways up and down the earth clothed in the mist. (252 Works & Days)

The Stoics will echo this a few hundred years later.

Zeus has placed by every man a guardian, every man a daemon, to whom he has committed the care of the man; a guardian who never sleeps , is never deceived. (Epictetus, Dissertation I 14,12)

God is with in, and your daemon is with in." (Epictetus Dissertation I 14, 14)

Heraclitus states "Character is your daemon," in one of his fragments.

Pythagoras:

"Father Zeus, O free them all from suffering so great or show unto each the daimon, who is their guide." (Pythagorean Golden Verse 36)

The Poet/Philosopher Empedocles speaks of the long-lived daemons in his poem "On Nature" written in the 5th century before the Common Era in fragment 11/115:

There is an oracle of necessity, an ancient decree of the gods, eternal, sealed with broad oaths: whenever one, in his sins, stains his dear limbs with blood. Or by misdeed swears falsely, of the daimons that is who have won long-lasting life, he wanders for thrice ten thousand seasons away from the blessed ones, growing to be all sorts of forms of mortal things through time, interchanging the hard paths of life. For the strength of aither pursues him into the sea, and the sea spits him onto the surface of the earth and the earth into the beams of the blazing sun, and the sun throws him into the eddies of the air; and one after another receives him, but all hate him. I too am now one of these, an exile from the gods and a wanderer, trusting in mad strife.

The philosopher Democritus was concerned with Divine encounters and tried to understand the truth of these happenings. He attempts to connect them with the imagination and the image making ability of God.

Images draw near to human beings, and some of these do good and some do evil (wherefore Democritus prayed that he might have the fortune to meet happy images), and they are great and marvellous, and they are almost but not quite Imperishable, and they foretell coming events to human beings being visible and speaking. Wherefore men of old, perceiving these images, imagined that each was a god, although God in reality is only that which has Imperishable Nature. (Fragment FV, 55, B166)

Good mortals had the opportunity to choose to become daemons after death as is mentioned in Euripides play Alcestis 1003, Plato’s Laws 713B, Cratylus 398B and Plutarch in his "Life of Socrates" 588C. This state is sometimes known as the Philanthropotaos Daemon or full of love for human beings spiritual guide.

Plato builds upon this idea of intermediaries between realms of being or realms of consciousness, with heroes, celestial souls and daemons to act as guides. Socrates has an ongoing dialogue with his personal daemon during much of his adult life which Plato writes about in his dialogue Phaedrus. In Plato’s Symposium, Diotima expounds on the special powers belonging to the order of daemons.

They act, as interpreters and conveyers of human things to the gods, of divine things to men. They carry the prayers and sacrifices of men, the commandments of the gods and their responses to the sacrifices: Occupying a place between the two, they fill up a gap and cause the whole universe to be a coherent whole. All divination takes place by their means, the art of priests, the art of sacrifices and mystical rites and incantations; in a word, all divining and magic. A god has no immediate relation with a man, all converse between men and gods, whether in a waking state or in sleep, takes place through the Daemon-kind. (Symposium 202E)

Plato in his Laws 713 CD states:

"Kronos gave our communities as their kings and rulers, not men but Daimons, beings of diviner and superior kind just as we still do the same with our flocks of sheep and herds of other domesticated animals. We do not set oxen to manage oxen, or goats to manage goats; we their betters in kind, act as masters ourselves. So the god, in his kindness to man, did the same; he set over us the superior race of Daimones."

Hesiod is quoted in Plato’s Cratylus 398b:

But now that fate has closed over this race they are holy daemons upon the earth, beneficent, averters of ills, guardians of mortal men.

The Epinomis makes the "Athenian Stranger" who has been the chief speaker in the Laws state that each of the five elements- earth, water, air, fire, and aither was the proper habitation of a special kind of living being. To the region of fire belong the visible gods-the heavenly bodies: To the aither and air the daemons, who have bodies composed of airy substance and are therefore invisible to us, and who are capable of emotion, which the true gods are not.

The daemon-kind occupies the intermediate region between men and gods and is the agent of interpretation: it is therefore to be specially honored by prayer in order that the right words may get through... Because the whole sky is full of living beings, they act as interpreters of everything to each other and to the supreme gods, being the intermediate kind of beings and ranging over the earth and over the whole sky with a wonderful swiftness. (Epinomis 984E-985B)

As intermediaries bridging the gap between man and god, daemons help prevent the universe from falling into two separate halves. The daemons share characteristics with both men and gods - with gods immortality, with men subjection to passion - and may therefore be seen as the mean between the two. Plutarch goes on to connect their position with that of the Moon and the World Soul. Plutarch tells of Xenocrates theory of daemons in his essay "On the Obsolescence of Oracles":

In the confines, as it were, between gods and men there exist certain natures susceptible to human emotions and involuntary changes, whom it is right that we, like our fathers before us, should regard as daemons, and calling them by name, should reverence. As an illustration of this subject, Xenocrates, the companion of Plato, employed the order of triangles; The equilateral he compared to the nature of the gods, the scalene to that of man, and the isosceles to that of the daemons; for the first is equal in all its lines, the second unequal in all, and the third is partly equal and partly unequal, like the nature of the daemons, which possesses human emotion and divine power. (Fr.23)

Briefly let us mention that Porphyry in his short biography of Plotinus tells us of a ritual means employed by an Egyptian Priest to discern the guiding spirit in Plotinus’ life.

At the summons a Divinity appeared, not a being of the spirit-ranks, and the Egyptian exclaimed: ‘You are singularly graced; the guiding-spirit within you is not of the lower degree but a God.’ It was not possible, however, to interrogate or even to contemplate this God any further, for the priest’s assistant who had been holding the birds to prevent them flying away, strangled them, whether through jealousy or in terror. Thus Plotinus had for indwelling spirit a being of more divine degree, and he kept his own divine spirit unceasingly intent upon that inner presence. It was this preoccupation that led him to write his treatise upon ‘Our Tutelary Spirit," an essay in the explanation of the differences among spirit-guides. (Porphyry "Life of Plotinus" 10)

Porphyry was a philosophic astrologer while a student of Plotinus and he discovered a rule on how to discern the guiding daemon astrologically. He speaks about the technique in his commentary on Ptlomey. In his Sententiae 32 he lays out a schema of man’s ascent through the Virtues starting with the curbing of the passions and the arising of the virtuous man. Next with the cleansing of the passions the daemonic man/ good daemon arises. In the development of intellectual/intuitive activity free from passions we move with the god. In the merging of the intellect with the ONE we move and merge with the father of the gods. He has his own encounter with merging at the age of 63. Porphyry, in his Letter to Anebo, expresses the idea that the true Eudaimon (happiness, full good life) was the man who has reconciled with his natal daemon (Iamblichus’ On the Mysteries, 275. 1-2). Iamblichus of Chalcis a pupil of Porphyry’s devotes much of Book IX of his "On the Mysteries" to exploring two ways of finding out about the Daemon:

So therefore, to speak plainly, the treatment of the subject in respect to the personal daemon is twofold, theurgic and technic: the one evoking him from the categories above, and the other from the visible periods in the world of generated existence. The former (theurgic) makes no use of the art of casting nativities, but the latter is devoted to such pursuits. The former (theurgic) pays honor to the daemon more generally as superior to the province of nature, but the latter specifically as pertaining to the realm of nature altogether. (On the Mysteries 273)

The Roman Senator and supporter of the Emperor Constantine, Julius Firmicus Maternus wrote a manual on astrology entitled "Matheseos," soon after Iamblichus wrote "On the Mysteries." In Book Four section XVIII he writes the following about how to find the Part of Daemon:

1. We find the Part of the Daemon in the following way; in a diurnal chart count the degrees of every sign from the Sun to the Moon and, beginning from the ascendant, distribute these degrees to every sign. In whichever sign the last degree falls, that is the Part of Daemon. (Ascendant +Sun- Moon) In a nocturnal chart count from the Moon to the Sun and proceed in the same way.(Night Part of Daemon=Ascendant+Moon-Sun)[The Part of Daemon should be opposite to the Part of Fortune, as shown by Paulus Alexandrinus (note 31), where he counts degrees from the Moon to the Sun in a diurnal chart and the Sun to the Moon in a nocturnal chart. Thus the Part of Fortune can be considered as belonging to the Moon and that of the Daemon as belonging to the Sun as Firmicus tells us Abraham taught.] We have included it in this book because Abram called it the Part of the Sun and it is not right that it should be separated from the Part of the Moon. 2. This place (the Part of Daemon) is also called the essence of the soul; From this place (Part of Fortune) we find professions and material goods; it shows the affection of women toward men. But also this place shows the fatherland clearly. Observe, therefore, what benefic and what malefic planets are in aspect to this Part and you will thus set forth the forecast according to the influence of individual planets. (Matheseos translated by Jean Rhys Bram p. 137)

For the Philosophical Astrologers the Part of Daemon was said to signify the soul and body, faith, prophecy, religion and the culture of God awareness, secrets, cogitations, intentions and hidden things. As we see in Julius Firmicus Maternus this Part is also known as the Part of the Sun and indicates that to which the native aspires, the highest possible goal to which the individual can aspire. In Book VII of Matheseos more topography concerning the daemon is laid out.

1. After these four cardinal points, that is the ascendant, descendant, Midheaven and IMC (or Nadir), there is another set of four points in the nativity which are also of following and favorable power. These are Dea, Deus, Bona Fortuna (Good Fortune) and Bonus Daemon (Good Spirit) which the Greeks have called thus Thea, Theos, Agathe Tyche, Agathos Daemon. 2. Dea is the third house, that is the third sign, from the ascendant. This house, as we have said, is called that of Thea by the Greeks. Deus is the name of the house which is diametrically opposite this house, that is the ninth from the ascendant. This house is called Theos by the Greeks. Bona Fortuna is located in the fifth house from the ascendant and is called Agathe Tyche by the Greeks, Bonus Daemon is located diametrically opposite this house, that is the 11th house from the ascendant. This house is called Agathos Daemon by the Greeks. ( Matheseos Liber VII. translated by Jean Rhys Bram p.47)

Both Plutarch and Julius Firmicus Maternus connect the daemon somehow with the Moon. Why the Moon? First and foremost the Moon Goddess watches over and rules the sublunar realm. It is in the sublunar realm that most of the daemons are said to reside, ‘the air is full of them,’ according to Plutarch. The neoplatonic philosopher Proclus in his commentary on Alcibiades tells us: "For all daemons come from one mother, that is, they have a common daemon-comprehending source." (Rhea or Hecate see Alcibiades 68.5). Proclus tells us more in section 829 of his commentary on the Parmenides and reveals the following about the daemon.

The Soul, however has the power residing in its opinative faculty of bringing forward theorems that it is by nature able to produce and to judge, but there are no distinct Ideas at all of the arts or of their products. It is not surprising that their causes are thought to reside among the daemons, who are said to have given them to men, as their patrons and overseers, some of one, some of another, and among the gods only in a symbolic or archetypal manner. For example, the art of Bronze- working may be said to have its patron in the daemon Hephaestus who possesses the Idea of the Art, while the Great Hephaestus could be said only symbolically to have forged the vault of heaven. Likewise the art of weaving has as its patron some demi-goddess in the train of Athena, while Athena Herself is celebrated as weaving, in a different and demiurgic fashion, the fabric of the intelligible Ideas. (On Parmenides 829)

Further in Proclus’ commentary On Parmenides 667:

Naturally, then Adeimantus, being nearer to them, stretches out his hand and shares his good will with them in imitation of that order of divinity that confers power on souls that wish to move upwards by attaching to itself the upward moving capacities in them; for hands are symbols of power. And in giving them his hand he also wishes them "Good Cheer" (chairein), since for souls seeking salvation, gladness and freedom from care are gifts of the higher, not the lower, powers. For how could anyone share freedom from care with another when he is himself full of anxiety? Or how share gladness and good cheer when he is himself in despair? Therefore, it is only the gods and after them the divine classes of being, and after them good men, who are the sources of gladness and good cheer: for it is primarily the gods whose life is free of care, and secondarily the divine classes of being and, when they participate in that blessedness, temperate souls, who always manifest good humor, joy, and contentment with their fate. Souls moving upwardsthen receive from their attendant daemons first of all the power to ascend, next cheerfulness and freedom from care, and thirdly a promise of good things to be attained from their daemons. For the daemons incite them to share with them, bestow upon them bountifully everything that it is in their nature to give, and prepare them to receive even more perfect gifts from higher beings. Thus Adeimantus’ readiness to promise aid, his beneficence, and his exhortation to the imperfect to become perfect (for every need renders him who feels it imperfect) - all this imitates the beneficent activity of good daemons towards souls. (On Parmenides 667)

With the rise of orthodox Christianity the Guardian Angel supercedes the guardian/good daemon.

The Byzantine Philosopher Michael Psellus may have written "Dialogue on the Operation of Daemons" although many modern scholars dispute this. The last word will go to George Gemistos who wrote in his commentary on the Chaldean Oracles that : "It is said that nature or natural reason, persuades the sacred daemons, and in a word all that proceeds from the God who is good in Himself, to be beneficent," indicating again that the guides, the daemons are good. (P.57 Woodhouse)


Ancient references on Daemons

Homer, Iliad Book IX, 237-9.
Hesiod, Works and Days, 252.
Empedocles, fragment 11/115.
Pythagoras, Golden Verses, 4, 36.
Euripides, "Alcestis" 1003.
Plato, Phaedo 107d, Republic 382d, Laws 713c, Cratlys 398b, Phaedrus 271, Epinomis 984e-985b, Timaeus 90a-c. Aristotle, De Anima 2.3 :414b 19.
Plutarch, "Life of Socrates," 588c, "The Obsolescence of Oracles" fragment 23. De Fac 943a
Plotinus, Ennead III 4 & IV.
Porphyry, Sententiae 32, De Antro Nymphorum X, "Letter to Anebo." Life of Plotinus.
Epictetus, "Dissertations," I 14-12 & 14-14.
Iamblichus, Book I 6, Book IX , On the Mysteries.
Julius Firmicus Maternus, "Matheseos" Libri IV & VIII.
Proclus, In Timeaus 3.152, 165-7, 258. In Republic 271-2. Parmenides 667, 829. Alcibiades 31-2, 40, 68 90.
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