Psychology Experiment - Change Blindness

tgII Tue 15 Dec 2009, 02:54

When you are out and about how do you know what you are seeing
is actually registering correctly in your mind? What are you cognizant
of when you view people and objects, should you depend on your eyes
for seeing?

Watch this and then ask yourself, what are witnesses at mass shootings
actually seeing, i.e., Ft. Hood, Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc...

Now on a more abstract level, are Americans at all cognizant of how
facism has dangerously encroached on them, and before they have a
chance to take action will they become devoured by their own inability to
perceive change?

Flames Tue 15 Dec 2009, 03:46

That was really interesting, tgII!

How ironic it is that in our materialistic society of big fake boobs, fake tans, fake this and that, something so simple as failing to recognize the subject of one's attention. I have to confess that I've been guilty of this many time before in similar situations.

Two factors that come to my mind that could attest for this would be:

1) Constant states of elevated mental/emotional anxiety in the collective human consciousness to distract and divert conscious attention.

2) The decline and degradation of individualism and individualistic traits in people today. (example: an overload of mediocre people, looking and behaving in mediocre ways)

Interesting pych experiment there. Especially, given how much I thought humans make up their minds with only what the eyes perceive.

**KapitanScarlet** Wed 16 Dec 2009, 00:09

A lot more people are being caught in introspective mode these days as well, ive noticed in my areas , its almost like giving full attention to someone is an effort they only do if theres something in it for them , their own daydream is more important .

If they replaced these guys with a persona that was very atractive to them, or more charasmatically engaging to them, , then i bet that would have improved their attention levels

Also mobile texting , tv, computers etc is tending to affect attention levels to other humans and reality for many

Theres some people who operate in retail that can perceive this attention fragmentation, and they can easily give a person incorrect change in a purchase without the person even bothering to check it and they pocket the difference

seraphim Wed 16 Dec 2009, 05:29

Interesting pych experiment there. Especially, given how much I thought humans make up their minds with only what the eyes perceive.

Thanks for bringing that to attention Flames. It's real sad because it could be difficult to make friends with males since their attention is only on one thing. And then to make matters even worse some are programmed to believe females are just baby makers and only good for one thing. And it's awful that the media mind controls people to think that way, emphasizing the boobs and all that.

It's also the primitive brain that kicks in and seeing is the sensor used when dealing with people at first, and just from that everything else is based on, which is extremely faulty when trying to figure things out.

Believe this tgII, a lot is not registering at all.
I'll watch the video asap, but it has been proven in psychology that the story changes in one's mind and is different than what actually occurred in reality. It may all stem back to the brain wanting to go in patterns, so whatever beliefs one grew up with they will stay with those or creae stories in the mind that are similar to one's beliefs.

hrblsh Wed 16 Dec 2009, 17:20

In the early days... the Greeks invented something called, The Trivium, which today survives as the holy trinity? Or the golden rule. Maybe not but the idea that people need to be told what is right, or what to do seems to be a given these days. Oh, there are a slim minority, all over the world, in any culture of high, or low civilization, who don't need validation from others in their intrained responses to ritualized bits of theater.

The fact that the slim minority are left to fend for themselves and will get no quarter for any actions but those they know to be meaningless, is becoming clearer all the time. In fact if what one does, does show some talent or usefulness, some productivity, you will eventually be assaulted form many angles. To change, to adopt, to become something prescribed by the supposed majority, and they don't even remember where it came from.

It's not just sight. It's cognition. People don't know what is really happening. They're wrong, but their senses are trained to back them up. They are dulled. All the technology. Some day they want to help us into new bodies that will live forever. Somebody said recently, 2030 humans will live forever. HE can't see that htere is a problem with this? That's right, because he only sees what he is told to see. By his own program, personally crafted to fit just right.

Aldous Huxley wrote a book before the doors of perception, called the art of seeing, about how to cure some kinds of blindness.

He goes on to analyse the whole process of visual perception, using ideas and vocabulary taken from the philosopher C. D. Broad. He sums the analysis up as follows:

* Sensing is not the same as seeing.
* The eyes and the nervous system do the sensing, the mind does the perceiving.
* The faculty of perceiving is related to the individual’s accumulated experiences, in other words, to memory.
* Clear seeing is the product of accurate sensing and correct perceiving.
* Any improvement in the power of perceiving tends to be accompanied by an improvement in the power of sensing and of the product of sensing and perceiving which is seeing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Seeing

**KapitanScarlet** Wed 16 Dec 2009, 23:21

I heard that tRivium mentioned in the gnostic podcast with M, but ive never heard of the trivium myself.

On huxley, i was not aware of that art of seeing book, but i can see it was directly influenced by bAtes book which i have read and have mentioned before in posts .

This quote caught my attention

. Bates wrote of relaxation but Huxley brings in transcendentalism. Tension and poor vision are caused by the refusal of the individual ego to surrender to Nature.

Bates highlights a good exercise to prove to a person the restlessness of the mind which he corelated with poor eyesight, True relaxation itself is an art, but thats another story .

JUst try closing your eyes , and visualise a small jet black spot on a piece of white paper , most people can hardly do this for even 1 micro second , never mind holding that vision perfectly for at least 10 seconds or more as their restless mind kicks in with strobing phenomena almost out of their own control , now thats an interesting observation in itself, further to that, when you close your eyes, bates says most people cannot even see jet black, because of the restless state

But that huxley transcendentalism connnection arouses my interest

tgII Wed 16 Dec 2009, 23:49

Personally, I think Huxley was an inbred psychopathic intellectual
self-deluded savant who didn't know what the fuck he was talking
about, but that's just me. Surprised

SunoftheMourning Thu 17 Dec 2009, 00:05

**KapitanScarlet** Thu 17 Dec 2009, 00:20

tgII wrote:Personally, I think Huxley was an inbred psychopathic intellectual
self-deluded savant who didn't know what the fuck he was talking
about, but that's just me.

Is that right how u conclude tGII , i have not read anything at all of huxley , but i always fancied reading the doors of perception to see what all the fuss was about

Haud - ta , looks interesting will watch that one

tgII Thu 17 Dec 2009, 01:07

Huxley shot about 40mm of pure heroine into his vein to "open his door
of perception", it killed him; he didn't have compassion for people, he was
an elitist arrogant inbred idiot savant and those who followed him, like Jim
Morrison (a military experiment et al Peter Lavenda, Dave McGowan),
ended up on a cold marble mortuary slab, executed more like it when the
'experiment went bad', really bad.

The 'doors of perception' for the peasant class is a cop out, an escape
from the brutal rigors of existence and like the sheep they are, they will
follow these savants literally to the grave.

Haudenosaunee, now that was revealing?! Psychologists are some of
the most mentally fucked up people I know.

Anyone interested in joining me as an alternative to the psychology industry?

Event Temple

Wing Makers

When I was in college I tested positive for schizophrenia by my college
professor, a psychiatrist. Shocked

Flames Thu 17 Dec 2009, 01:53

Wasn't Huxley's brother, Julian Huxley a member of the British Eugenics Society?

Huxley was one of many intellectuals at the time who believed that the lowest class in society was genetically inferior. This passage, from 1941, puts the view forcefully:

"The lowest strata are reproducing too fast. Therefore... they must not have too easy access to relief or hospital treatment lest the removal of the last check on natural selection should make it too easy for children to be produced or to survive; long unemployment should be a ground for sterilisation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley#Eugenics_and_race

Sounds like psychopathy could have genetic components to me.

**KapitanScarlet** Thu 17 Dec 2009, 02:11

Psychiatrists the scourge / improsoners of the free mind, psychologists the pied pipers of dogmatic mental knots that lead to the need for psychiatrists

Im gonna invent a new occupation - a spiritologist and charge 150.00 per hour , i can bullshit as well as anyone if im gettin paid that coin , but maybe it would be a sincere occupation

H, and TGII , your comments on huxley inspired me to go hunt him out right now, ive not read his books, but i seen brave new world, and i thought that was very very apt especially with regard to "soma" and the happy smilers

NOw i found this old tv interview, and i cant beleive ive got to put up with jonathon philosophically brain dead ross in the uk when they used to do stuff like this in interviews, ive gotta say, that i found this 3 parter oozing with stimulation for my mind, some stuff ive aware off already.

FRom memiry , for example their talking about the "enemies of Freedom"
Huxley talks about 2 distinct concepts, "Impersonal forces" for which he highlights overpopulation of the world overtaxing systems etc, and overorganization regarding buearacratic disasters which i encounter so much nowadays

The 2nd concept was Tech devices and the misuse of technology for Propaganda and Misuse of tv

In part 2 he touches on the Merchandising of cAndidates in the political scene, oBama anyone ?
ANd subliminal Projection , he attacks mAdison avenue for the ad mania
He sees tv commercials linkerd with programming children to be Loyal brand Buyers and this just a early stage of programming to be ideology buyers
A borne and bred dictatorship through the early conditioning of children

In part 3
The constitutions uk ans usa = DEvice for limiting power / freedom
He talks about the gRoup / individual comparison and the relation to freedom

His predictions for the commies didnt pan out so far, but the western world as commented is eeringly following his predictions

"A society where the Drones work for the Queen Bee Above "

I did find one comment below the vids that relate to his personal blood lines , may tie in with your comments on his personal self,

Man the Huxley family was very prominent in Science and Literature!
You had Thomas Henry Huxley who helped push Darwin's evolution through. Another naturalist Huxley. Aldous himself, and currently another Huxley that won the Nobel Prize in Science. Very prestigious family indeed!
Sad he had to die at an age of 69, he would have been shocked to see America today, where the 2009 election cost a Billion dollars in campaigning. The Brave New World is becoming a reality

but i definetly recommend these vids are worth a watch , an i gotta check out one of his books sometime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTEOY1hre4&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iDPnwkU9DA&feature=related

And this one , OLigarth of control that have always existed now getting people to be slaves and love their slavery by more subyle non-violent psychoactive induced slavery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1k5rK7bWI&feature=related

hrblsh Thu 17 Dec 2009, 02:44

The Mike Wallace interviews. Also his speech at Berkley :http://cuttingthroughthematrix.ca/articles/Aldous_Huxley--The_Ultimate_Revolution--Berkeley_Part1.mp3
and http://cuttingthroughthematrix.ca/articles/Aldous_Huxley--The_Ultimate_Revolution--Berkeley_Part2.mp3

For some reason, although I don't pick it up from listening to, or reading Huxley myself, but people think he supported his speculations about society, in brave new world, for instance. When I read the book it seemed to me to be in the highest level of black humor I had come across.

Seems to be a very intelligent person, and could be called, along with Orwell/Blair, as an early whistle blower on the NWO, or world socialism, or whatever.

Kapis, read Brave New World first. It is not long, and even though I knew what I expected before commencing, it turned out to be much more subtle and disturbing. This was only a short while ago, that I read it, and now when I see certain things, they have new meaning. You will know what I mean if you read it. There are good audio book versions out there as well.

Shocked

Just shocking really, and to think all this time I wondered why I didn't get along well with polite society! Think of soma as a metaphor for the illusions people create to make their lives exciting, the drama, the guilt, the sorrow, the elation they feel when they re-enact a ceremony witnessed on a television commercial, or popular romantic sitcom(=new speak...) Along with all the drugs, legal and illegal, all the booze, the malnutrition, the ignorance.

Imagine if everybody knew what some do, about how the shit really is? They'd need alot more than some island to put us all on. The idea of that Island doesn't seemto bad to me right now actually. I thought, after reading BNW, that this was Huxley's actual fantasy. Strangely enough, the last book he published was entitled Island. I have it, I might read it. I have heard it is weird. I also would like to get around to read his devils of Loudin, about demonic possession in medieval France, and The Doors of Perception/Heaven and Hell, plus BNW Revisited.

seraphim Thu 17 Dec 2009, 08:08

I guess they couldn't put everyone in a sanitorium so they made the monster 'big pharmacy' to make sure everyone gets drugged. All for profit.

I'm learning about all these drugs and when done I"m going to give all these people taking them an education about them. The Drug Enforcement Agency schedules the drugs according to strength. Class I drugs are all the street drugs, heroin etc, Class II drugs are the next up, the opioids, like morphine/kadian, oxycodone/oxycontin, fentanyl. Which are extremely addictive and do the same as street drugs, and guess what class ritalin and adderall which all the kids are on now in, the same class! Not only that but are a form of meth, the same as the street drug! It keeps the kids up and going, same purpose as the meth users. But it's all legal!

Now who would let there kids take these street drugs, which they are! So many people are addicted to opioids, and it's been going on who knows how long, since folks found out about opium hundreds and hundreds of years ago. That is how you break people. The establishment wants us broken.

Drugs may help one escape but one ends up dead. May get a tiny glimpse at the doors of perception on drugs, but will not even be able to go through the doors, but the wrong doors. Like Mr. Door himself, excellent songwriter, but had that talent way before his drug induced haze.

tgII I have one of Aldous Huxleys books, The Perennial Philosopher! But don't know anything about him or time to read it. I can manifest any shape in my mind and turn it to any color I wish, but putting black on white is a task! That James fellow sounds very interesting, there is something about the Heart energy and how it connects people. It could be used for some really interesting things too. It's a very powerful energy that I have used in times of need.

tgII Mon 21 Dec 2009, 03:23

When you get to this link, if you get there, be sure to listen to this
music by Alex Constantine, and also be sure to open up another
window so you can read this thread while listening to "I Am a Machine."

I Am a Machine

In his Ghost in the Machine, Arthur Koestler, who ultimately flipped out,
held the assumption humanity's atavistic brain areas will lead it to self-
destruction, a completely unemotional creature.

Atavistic: 1 a : recurrence in an organism of a trait or character typical of an ancestral form and usually due to genetic recombination b : recurrence of or reversion to a past style, manner, outlook, approach, or activity

Koestler's concept in the book is that as the human brain has grown and
evolved, it has built upon earlier, more primitive brain structures, and that
these are the "ghost in the machine" in the title.

Arthur Koestler and "The Ghost in the Machine" part 2

If you ask me, a Koestler was a psychopath, a very deranged psychopath
at that. People do not have to go down the paths these savant psychos
psychologically prepare for us and exploited by the intelligence agencies as
the above video points out. Koestler and boatloads of these freaks dominate
our thinking, why, because they are intellectuals who have been ordained as
'Philosopher Kings.'

So who the fuck ordained them? Shocked

The Ghost in the Machine

Arthur Koestler seemed to have been overcome with the duality of the
brain, that's probably why he just said fuck it and killed himself at
seventy-seven. The pathology of this man was utterly and
profoundly focused on man's innate sense of self-destruction.

He should have spent some time reading Miguel de Unanumo, a superior
thinker in every way who was described in his Tragic Sense of Life and
Nations as: "This man cannot make up his mind; he vacillates; first he
seems to assert one proposition, then he maintains the opposite; he is
full of contradictions; it is impossible to place him. What is he?"

Miguel de Unamuno - The Tragic Sense of Life in Men and Nations

Well hell Arthur, at least Miguel didn't kill himself, or is it as I pointed out
in the thread about suicide, that being suicide as the ultimate act of
being rational? Is this what Koestler did, demonstrate the ultimate act of
rationalism when the ghost in the machine destroyed the emotional
component of his soul? Now that is a scary thought?

It's like a ticking time bomb and we only have seconds to defuse it, in the
last ten seconds man has completely transformed himself and thrown off
the weight of pre-history. So what this might mean is, all the carnage and
derangement we are witnessing in our contemporary life, as Unamuno
suggested, "might be that our rational technological civilization has come
into conflict with our basic human nature", that has essentially not changed
in thousands of years. We are creatures that hunger for symbols, what
happens when we are deprived of those symbols or they are used to war
on us?

I'll tell you what happens, we have ten seconds and that ticking time bomb
is about to go fucking BOOM!!!

I'm just waiting for one of these 'positive thinking' types to come along
and say in a perfunctory tone of voice to me, "Don't be so negative, you
should look on the bright side of life." Alright, I will, and that would of
course mean, at least for me anyway, people getting educated, but are
they, are they reading and making study part of their porno-sports-drug-
alcohol-sex induced lives?

No, they aren't, and how do I confirm this, simple, read this article.
Apparently in Loredo, Texas, it will become one of the largest cities in
the United States without a bookstore.

Texas: Laredo Could Be the Largest US City Without a Bookstore

Anyone around here read Edward T. Hall's theory about Extension
Transference (ET), the idea intellectual ideas are transferred into
out creations by a psychological ploy?

Creations?! Look around you, "Bureaucracies have no soul, no memory,
and no conscience", said Edward T. Hall. They are managed by
psychopaths and what is the ultimate Extension Transference of
bureaucracies? Why of course, full blown fascism.

Edward T. Hall

"A voice crying in the wilderness." -- Isaiah

Flames Mon 21 Dec 2009, 04:11

Another great post there tg. bounce

This paragraph caught my attention:

I'm just waiting for one of these 'positive thinking' types to come along
and say in a perfunctory tone of voice to me, "Don't be so negative, you
should look on the bright side of life." Alright, I will, and that would of
course mean, at least for me anyway, people getting educated, but are
they, are they reading and making study part of their porno-sports-drug-
alcohol-sex induced lives?

Remember the saying "people can't handle very much reality?" I've been blessed and cursed by never being able to be happy or be disillusioned into thinking so, been given the ability to cope with constant darkness. To be honest, I relate a little with what these people are going through, living the plebeian life. Balancing out the presence of evil and balancing out what goes in and out of my mind is a real problem sometimes.

It's sure a lot easier hiding underneath the bedsheets, or a bottle of liquor than dealing with all of this reality. I try not to interfere with anyone's mental fixations anymore, my brain physically hurts from dealing with my own. There is just too much madness out there, maybe we can/can't liberate our own. bom

These people who hide in immorality and disillusion experience just as much pain if not more, than those who so do choose to educate themselves. I try to keep in mind what happened to Nietzsche sometimes, certainly don't want to fall straight into the abyss with no way out.

The "suicide as rational thought" makes perfect sense to me. But in my opinion the most suicidal thing one can do is continue living. bom

tgII Mon 21 Dec 2009, 04:30

The "suicide as rational thought" makes perfect sense to me. But in my opinion the most suicidal thing one can do is continue living.

Psychology Experiment - Change Blindness DeerInHeadlights

"Being suicidal as being a part of living, I think we should ask
Miguel to help us figure this shit out?"

That belongs in the paradox and contradiction thread there, Flames, from
this point forward, may I humbly suggest coming up with a very damn good
reason to remain among the living, sorry, I mean, the sentient.

seraphim Mon 21 Dec 2009, 05:17

To me it doesn't matter if I'm surrounded by angels or demons. Everyone else can do as they wish and let me do my own thing, which is the most absurd thought and of which will never happen in this world for most people. All I can do is try then.
Call it the primitive fight or flight brain, but I'm living.

You mean what reason can one have to want to live around the psychopaths, to say it kindly tgII.

And I take it you and Flames believe living in this kind of world is a stupid thing to do? I see your reasons why, now that's an interesting thought.
Will read up on Koestler and de Unamuno for sure.

Flames Mon 21 Dec 2009, 05:40

may I humbly suggest coming up with a very damn good
reason to remain among the living, sorry, I mean, the sentient.

Here it is: People who authentically want the best out of life (joy/peace/selfhood/good relations/family/ etc... are generally left in a state of longing and restlessness even after acquiring those short lived pleasures mentioned.

What is a very damn good reason to live amongst the living? I can't think of too many that would sway my opinion that is counter to the first statement. Suicide to me, has always been nothing more than a possible tool to expunge oneself out of a system or civilization that just doesn't work. That and of course trauma too.

Living amongst the dead? Dead living amongst the living? What is the real truth about the matter? I'm indifferent to it all now, and the concept of suicide is always on my plate, but not out of the usual "poor me" bullshit. But in a more ritualistic form of expression. I've thought about this a lot.

Someone asked me the other day "Well then what do you expect will happen after you die"? I just said "I don't know, mabye I'll find myself on a bed in a Nazi laboratory somewhere." "Maybe end up in some heaven designed as a utopia that is utterly fake. I could go crazy using imagination and wonder trying to rationalize that which I don't know.

Quite simply, we don't know what anyone who has successfully committed suicide has ever said, because well.. they're gone. Maybe they felt deeply inclined to take that path.

Living amongst the seemingly "alive humans" doesn't fool me one bit. I am fucking beyond grateful that man has the rite of expelling himself from his mortal coil for whatever reasons he/she has.

My perception on reality cannot always be trusted, and I am aware of this, but a deep part of me says "fuck hell, fuck heaven and fuck life too". People who spend a great deal of time wrestling all of this, distance themselves from common forms of help: doctors, family, religion.

Suicide is change one can believe in, though I don't promote it that way.

**KapitanScarlet** Mon 21 Dec 2009, 11:58

"What kind of maniacs are behind psychiatry" he stated it perfectly in that video

They impair the human mind in stages , first by limitation, which is psychological, (through conditioned or stunted imagination) then they use medicines and media to enforce that limitation , then using that lovely term "Extension transference", once established in limitation , then by its own generated extension transference, it is so much easier for a being to accept further limitations and so what you have is a perpetual reduction of the authentic being on a drip feed progress

On suicide, if decided upon on a completely rational basis, in a cold icy interpretation , it could be seen as the ultimate act of free rational in the face of unknown forces of oppossition but is that absolutely true.
but because no one is sure what happens to someone after suicide , i have to wonder about the "emotional " content of such a decision , is it really possible to ignore the emotional content , rather , itseems that the emotional content has been acted upon by the rational , as in tranquilised , temporary subdued or persuaded

For the rational to take such a momentous decision, the rational must have succeeded in either cutting off, stilling or persuading the emotional portion of thought that suicide is a good idea

FOr examples of this, i would enquire about the japanese version, because they must persuade the emotional through "belief" if that makes sense , so that they believe something good is occurring by their act of suicide and that their peers will recognise and honour their decision , so it is an act taken by the individual but also perpetuated by a unified hereditary belief system , a delegation of their emotion to something much bigger than they, they think

The other negative possibility about a suicide, is that it could also turn out to be
" a submission" to something that is not conceivable by the self of the mind that took the decision , in the "eternal Equation" if such a thing exists, it may be a few steps backwards or even a fall

Because i think there is plenty evidence around to show that the self can actually be detached from its own mind decisions , over a slow drip feed period, so that it might not even be aware of its own detachment Shocked

seraphim Tue 22 Dec 2009, 07:25

Finally can catch up on the videos. tgII, that man in the Koestler video looks very familiar. His work is interesting indeed.
He said this on Koestler's work....

"domesticate us with drugs.....psychiatry the industry of death. We are death to persuasion. We are homo maniacus and will soon be evolved genetically into the next homo species."

....these creators have been around a long time

advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." - PNAC, Rebuilding America's Defenses

I was looking for antidotes lately Twisted Evil

and was wondering if someone knew what the actual biological weapons were (the swine virus may be one of them) then they can make a vaccine from it. That would stop the terror. The swine flu innoculation is not the real vaccine, it's most likely the biological weapon itself as it can cause same major degenerative things to happen with the nervous system or brain and that's the first thing that biological weapons do or target.

Koestler examines the notion that the parts of the human brain-structure which account for reason and emotion are not fully coordinated. This kind of deficiency may explain the paranoia, violence, and insanity that are central parts of human history, according to Koestler's challenging analysis of the human predicament.

I really am trying to figure out what he is trying to say, he does say the same thing as psychologists when they say it's the negative emotions that lead to psychopathy and destruction. But what is the source or cause of that, he says it's a defective brain. That can be true nowadays with all the damage that is being done to people. Perhaps people were able to think clearer back then. Gurdijieff talked about a time when people had more abilities, see the broad spectrum of colors they one now can't even see and were able to use more of there minds, and they could see the doors of perception naturally. But then throughout time something has been happening to them, whether it's the establishment that has been doing it, is a real possibility because now people have become psychopaths, it's got that bad.

I'm not not sure what in his work makes him a psychopathic, because I haven't read most of it? It's too bad that Koestler did himself in. That is dysfunctional.
He does make some good points in his book. I have always told others not to do peyote without a true guide. I definitely would be willing to take that but not for fun or without guidance. If people kept their heritage on the ways of old of these plants they would not be doing themselves in and that includes Huxley. You don't see real shamans going crazy.

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