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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 17 Nov 2010, 13:28

I will try my best, thank goodness I don't need to convince myself when it comes to the facts.
you will face resistance when your idea of facts conflict with my own (; but i stand by all i said on the baby number system .
Regarding counting years with a penta system
How many spaces are there between the 4 seasons ? = 5 so the solar year could be pentacrypted quite nicely . Its just a question of divisory degrees.

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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Wed 17 Nov 2010, 17:32

You know what, I am going to be the first to buy a pentagrammical handwristwatch from you if you could do it, and I would even learn how to read time in this new fashion...as long as it is somewhat ACCURATE.

I wonder if it is possible, I personally think it isn't impossible, but almost..

I also have doubts about the Phytagoreans' ideology of Interger math as being the answer to the miracilous workings of our planet, galaxy and UNIVERSE...that rubbish.

I was just pointing out how hypocritical JUDEO-CHRISTIANS are to hate Babylon while using it's technology in the form of clocks, compasses, math, irrigation system, and much more.

It's mega-frickin hypocritical to use all the Babylonian achievements while talking shit about
the greatest City the people of this earth have ever built.

That's my opinion Suspect

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 17 Nov 2010, 23:17

You know what, I am going to be the first to buy a pentagrammical handwristwatch from you if you could do it, and I would even learn how to read time in this new fashion...as long as it is somewhat ACCURATE.

I wonder if it is possible, I personally think it isn't impossible, but almost..

Ok here is a prototype pentagonical timekeeping system thrown together in 2 pentamoments.
For ease if understanding, I will model it in the existing solar model which is about 6 hours per year short in regard to solar season tracking hence needs the extra leap year day every 4 years .

1 calendar year = 365 days = 8760 hrs which is 6 hours short of solar accuracy
1 solar day = 24 hours 1 hour = 60 minutes 1 minute = 60 seconds
1 solar day = 5 pentaspans 1 pentaspan = 5 pentagaps 1 pentagap = 5 pentamoments
1 pentamoment = 5 pentabeats 1 pentabeat = 125 pentapulses

Now in the superior pentasystem I am correcting the leap year error through the length of day so there is no leap year reqd
so instead of a 24 hour day, it will be a 24.0164384 hour day

Penta Conversion of existing timemeasurement for reference
1 pentaspan = 4.80328768 hours
1 pentagap = 0.96065754 hrs = 57.6 minutes
1 pentamoment = 0.19213151 hrs = 11.5278904 minutes
1 pentabeat = 2.30557809 minutes
1 pentapulse = 1.10667748 seconds


Sod weeks and months, solar years would be measured in seasons of which I would add one new season .
The solar year would begin in springtime = season 1
Then summertime = season 2
Then The fall = Season 3
Then Winters Bite = season 4
Then Winters Release = Season 5
and back into spring for the new year
The years could be counted adapting the roman or other system of penta , or make a new penta system up, anything goes

Christmas gets dropped, but you could have a seasonal entrance holiday 5 times a year if u choose. new years in springtime .......is a nice time

A watch design would have one inner pentagram for pentaspans – small analogue hand
one outer pentagram for pentagaps – large analogue hand
Then there would be 3 minituaire pentagram shaped dials within the 2 larger pentagrams with individual hands signifying pentamoments, pentabeats and pentapulses
A season and year reference date could also be incorporated in the watch

For any smaller measurement of time like milliseconds etc, smaller divisorys of penta can be calibrated into the party.

Watch-out Patent pending ! Razz
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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Thu 18 Nov 2010, 03:18

What a Face I am are properbly to lazy to get accustomed to 5 seasons,
and 4.80328768 hours, how am I going to say...It's 4:18 ?

But I never said it's impossible...just a bit complicated..

Promise me, don't throw your Babylonian baby out the window yet.

Would be cool to have a UNIQUE TIME KEEPING DEVICE, hehehehehehehe..Basketball

If you make one you should keep it. Clocks are magic.

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Re: Philosophers

Post  KapitanScarlet on Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:58

04.18 hrs to convert to penta , oh thats easy

That converts to ....The time is 0.87 pentaspans

which on the pentawatch would look like this , the outer large pentagon illustrating pentagaps would have its large analogue hand pointing in the 5th segment just about to come round to the end which would signify 5 pentagaps about to complete and 1 full pentaspan approaching
The inner pentagon would have its small hand pointing just about at the first completed segment to illustrate 1 pentaspan is almost complete
The 3 other small inner dials would break it down to supreme accuracy with regard to moments, beats and pulses

Yeah can you see it clear now , the future (:

The future is bright, the future is F.....i.....v.....e
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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Thu 18 Nov 2010, 15:32

Yeah can you see it clear now , the future (:

The future is the culmination of the past.





See first graph, Spirit takes the form of pyramid

but planetary life does not end there, space has 6 points

second graph in pic, Spirit takes the form of octahedron = 6 points in space




This is how 3 dimensional space looks like,

it's an endless array of octahedrons as shown in above graph.

But those octahedrons do not fill up all of space,

there are tetrahedrons inbetween which reside outside of the 3 dimensional space.



"THE FLOWER OF LIFE" = 6 points in space


The reason why the hexagram makes the base for timekeeping is that it reflects planetary force.

The pentagram was an important religious symbol used by the Pythagoreans and Neo-Pythagoreans like the Golden Dawn (Hermetica).

The Pythagorean school had a monumental impact on the development of numerology and number mysticism, an influence that still resonates today.

The Pythagoreans were advised to "speak the truth in all situations,"

which Pythagoras said he learned from the Magi of Babylon.

The first known uses of the pentagram are found in Mesopotamian writings
dating to about 3000 BC.

The Sumerian pentagrams served as pictograms for the word "UB," meaning
"corner, angle, nook; a small room, cavity, hole; pitfall,"

No one knows what the pentagram meant to the Sumerians
(despite what you might hear to the contrary),
but most of the stone tablets of this period consist of really simple pragmatic lists.


Babylonian Pentagram

Now that we can acknowledge that even the PENTAGRAM has it's origins in Sumeria...

the question why they chose the sexagesimal system as the base for recording time

is found in the fact that it's based on the structure or space ITSELF.


That's why I said I have not much interest for the Pythagoreans, Neo-Pythagoreans,

the weirdness of such secret societies as the Golden Dawn..etc...

They're just arbitrary in my opinion.

And lo and behold, not very holistic or hermetic after all....

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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Thu 18 Nov 2010, 16:16

Last post by Irony at 4:32 Laughing

A=432 Hz the Harmonic Frequency of Universe.

For a moment I thought ...I'd lost contact Suspect Razz
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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Thu 18 Nov 2010, 18:46

The Philosophy of the World Order


Primordial waters

Babylonian Enuma Elish from 2nd millennium BC:

When there was no heaven,
no earth, no height, no depth, no name,
when Apsu was alone,
the sweet water, the first begetter;


And Nordic Voluspa:

Of old was the age | when Ymir lived;
Sea nor cool waves | nor sand there were;
Earth had not been, | nor heaven above,
But a yawning gap, | and grass nowhere.

Apsu/Abzu = Ginungagap = bottomless gap, primordial womb.



Axis Mundi

There are hymns composed in the 4th millennium BC or earlier. This is the Sumerian version of the creation hymns and we may call it Hymns of the World Order. Enki was the first man on land, note the poem uses LU-GAL = MAN BIG and not the word for "god". On later seals we see him stepping on the "original hill" with the heavenly waters in a bow over him.

… later Ionic philosophers stated "everything is water" and 70 % of me is water. …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_School_%28philosophy%29

Enki's Tree:

Enki plants the first tree that became Tree of Life. The Anzu bird build its nest in this tree. In the trunk, Lilith, the spirit of darkness in the shape of an owl got a hole. At the root the serpent has it's place and goats eat the leaves.

Nordic poem in the Edda:


"The biggest of all trees. The bough spread out over the entire world and rises against heaven. There is an eagle on a bough and between his eyes is a hawk. The squirrel Ratatosk run up and down and four deer are eating in the boughs. There is a goat, Heidrun eating the leaves and the stag Eiktyrnir eats on the same tree …a Snake gnaws at it's roots"


"Yggdrasil, nordic worldtree, YGG = I + DRASSIL = horse, i.e. carrier = carrier of the I.

The biblical "Tree of Paradise" evolved directly from this ancient symbol. It is the symbol from which the Egyptian, Islamic, and Kabbalistic Tree of Life concepts originated.

The Epic of Gilgamesh describes a plant with powers of rejevenation. The hero acquires the plant
only to lose it to a passing snake, which obtains the ability to shed its skin and renew itself.


"She who gives birth"

Her name was Nammu which means "take power and give out". Her first born son is the sleeping one named Oannes. Her grandson is Enki, he was the first to step on Earth.

Oh my mother,

you named a being and spoke the word,

the being you asked for exist.

Set on him the image of gods,

form the heart of the clay

from above the underworld.

The good and superior craftsmen

shall make the clay thicken.

... You, make the limbs alive.

No-power, the mother of earth

shall work above you.

... goddesses of birth will be at your side,

when you mould the image of gods.

Oh, my mother,

decide a destiny for the new-born.

No-power may fasten on it the image of gods.

That is a humankind.

The old mother Nammu became the serpent or womb of earth and her granddaughter Ereshkigal was the special force to give birth in agriculture.

In Norse mythology the two opposites, life and death, are represented by Frigg and Hel. It is interesting to note that the bearer of death is mentioned before the bearer of life and goddess of childbirth.


Astrology - Astronomy



We have enough evidence from the first dynasties in Egypt around 3000 BC to tell that the astro-symbolism and year ritual was fully developed by then. We also know for instance that the Sumerians were in the Nile Delta around 3400 BC being cultivating near the Nile and digging for turquoise in Sinai. Maybe the Sumerian moon god Sin gave name to SIN-AI = moon mountain. They have found some sanctuary with new moon symbolism. In some palette we see battle between Sumerians and the native people. Sumerian kuddurru = border stones have been found at the Nile Delta. They are decorated with the Sumerian season symbols.

In Sumer, Egypt and Indus the symbol for season is very much alike.


The Sumerians original


Egyptian, a bit later


Indus seal, simplified.


Crowley Tarot card XI (11) Midsummer reference



Crowley had a weird taste and personally I think he was spinnert (OE: spin·nerd),
but we can still perceive the original symbol.




Sumerian Inanna with foot on Leo "New Moon in Leo" at Midsummer

The Sumerians invented astrology, and astrology produced the most sophisticated astronomical knowledge ever seen to that date, and from that they produced even more sophisticated mathematics.

In the poem "Inanna steps down" she 'rises again', since she is the New Moon daughter...

symbolising the growing seed.


Last but not least....




Okay, I think I have done my best to show you that all roads lead to IRAQ. Razz
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Re: Philosophers

Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 01:12

This is how 3 dimensional space looks like,
it's an endless array of octahedrons as shown in above graph.
But those octahedrons do not fill up all of space,
there are tetrahedrons inbetween which reside outside of the 3 dimensional space.

i have to confess that i am in the dark on these 3 dimensional space theorys , maybe u can give me a more simple lesson sometime, only if it becomes relevant to a present subject at hand

So numbers theories from baby from iraq, and then if i suggested from India then from atlantis Cool
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Re: Philosophers

Post  Sputnik on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 04:51

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Re: Philosophers

Post  seraphim on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 08:54


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Post  Sputnik on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 11:29

@Kapis

Indus Valley was 2600 BCE

And Atlantis is off the coast of Alba

No, not Scotland - ALBANIA

In Bosnia we have giant pyramids too you know.

Before the Albanians (eagle people) there were the Illyrians (star people). Before the Illyrians were the Pellasgians (seapeople) and before them were the Atlantians (at=father? & lantes=land).

Albanian language is the only surviving Thraco-Illyrian language, it's Europes oldest language,
genetically Albanians are the oldest surviving genes in Europe.

Gk.........Alba
Zeus......Zot = oath
Athena...Ethena = speech

Zeus was *originally* a Pelasgian god...

You better learn your story my dear friend because I am not making up anything.

Its all out there.
All you need is an open mind.

P.S. But I find it totally cool that so many people around the world think that Atlantis was the greatest civilisation of all times, we in the Balkans always knew we are very special. Cool
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 11:54

You better learn your story my dear friend because I am not making up anything.

My story is actually a little too selfish, concerned with my own presence rather than ancestral pasts , but i am trying to relate back with the mysterys of ancient history

So atlantis is of the coast of Albania , can you point the spot/location on the google map, i might like to take a trip sometime to check out the vibe

And what of these bosnian pyramids, anything of revelation discoverred there....not a whisper
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Post  Sputnik on Fri 19 Nov 2010, 16:33

It's as speculative than any other Atlantis story I've ever heard, only that the Albanian/Balkan story one is "cooking with water" so to speak...there are a few exceptional co-incidences with Platons description and actual geographic landmarks...but this is all futile unless there will be some extensive archeological diving in the Adria. I know that there are some british archeology divers in Montenegro because they found some "anomalies"...guessing to be Illyrian or Roman...but as of now we are a underdevelped countries concerning expert archeology...so I guess they will find something in the future anyways.

The Pyramids in Bosnia will reveal themself to be genuine or not...fact is that there are very ancient manmade structures..and a strange underground channel system. What is a bit weird about it is that there seems to be some international pressure trying to suggest to the Bosnian Government to stop the excavations for no specific reasons...what I heard is that the Government last comment was that: it's no harm to check it our anyways, and that nobody ever died from making themselfs appear "redicilous"....

Another considerable fact is that most of the Adria is only about 11 thousand years old..
It's called postglacial cauldron subsidence...or whatever it's cause...



11.000 years ago the area of todays north and middle Adriatic sea was land.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 20 Nov 2010, 12:40

Ok i will keep it off the atlantic coasts up here until further evidences from down there mein friend Cool

What is a bit weird about it is that there seems to be some international pressure trying to suggest to the Bosnian Government to stop the excavations for no specific reasons
I was thinking they were taking a hell of a time investigating these, probably cost a lot of money to extract , and without government backing , the wheels will halt
There are usually always very specific reasons for a change of work schedule
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Post  Sputnik on Sun 21 Nov 2010, 01:45

Not in this case, the excavations are not paid by the bosnian government, but by a private investor, a Bosnian Millionaire who got rich in America. It was other governments trying to convince the Bosnian Government to stop further investigations..that's what's really strange about it..let's say there is nothing and the guy looses everything now...who cares?
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Post  Sputnik on Sun 21 Nov 2010, 18:25



for you Kapis.... Smile

But it depicts "no time, no space"

At the center of a circle or a sphere is always an infinitesimal point. The point needs no dimension, yet embraces all dimension. Transcendence of the illusions of time and space result in the point of here and now, our most primal light of consciousness.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 21 Nov 2010, 22:49

I have this image, in color, as my screensaver.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 22 Nov 2010, 00:12

Transcendence of the illusions of time and space result in the point of here and now, our most primal light of consciousness.

This is so close to my own trail of understandings(sniff sniff Razz ) but you will have to help me with the image, maybe qsc can upload the colour version for more clarity
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Re: Philosophers

Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 02 Jul 2011, 16:16

THE OCCULT WAR - Julius Evola
Various causes have been adduced to explain the crisis that has affected and still affects the life of modern peoples: historical, social, socioeconomic, political, moral, and cultural causes, according to different perspectives. The part played by each of these causes should not be disputed. However, we need to ask a higher and essential question: are these
always the first causes and do they have an inevitable character like those causes found in
the material world? Do they supply an ultimate explanation or, occasionally, is it necessary to identify influences of a higher order, which may cause what has occurred in the West to appear very suspicious, and which, beyond the multiplicity of individual aspects, suggest there is the same logic at work?
The concept of occult war must be defined within the context of the di-lemma. The occult war is a battle that is waged imperceptibly by the forces of global subversion, with means and in circumstances ignored by current historiography. The notion of occult war belongs to a three-dimensional view of history: this view does not regard as essential the two superficial dimensions of time and space (which include causes, facts, and visible leaders) but rather emphasizes the dimension of d e p t h , or the "subterranean" dimension in which forces and influences often act in a decisive manner, and which, more often not than not, cannot be reduced to what is merely human, whether at an individual or a collective level.
Having said that, it is necessary to specify the meaning of the term subte r r a n e a n . We should not think, in this regard, of a dark and irrational background that stands in relation to the known forces of history as the unconscious stands to consciousness, in the way the latter relationship is discussed in the recently developed "Depth Psychology" If anything, we can talk about the unconscious only in regard to those who, according to the three-dimensional view, appear to be history's objects rather than its subjects, since in their thoughts and conduct they are scarcely aware of the influences they obey and the goals they contribute toward achieving. In these people, the center falls more in the unconscious and the preconscious than in the clear reflected consciousness, no matter what they—who are often men of action and ideologues— believe. Considering this relation, we can say the most decisive actions of the occult war take place in the human unconscious. However, if we consider the true agents of history in the special aspects we are now discussing, things are otherwise: here we cannot talk of the subconscious or the unconscious, for we are dealing with intelligent forces that know very well what they want and the means most suited to achieve their objectives.
The third dimension of history should not be diluted in the fog of abstract philosophical or sociological concepts, but rather should be thought of as a "backstage" dimension where specific "intelligences" are at work.
An investigation of the secret history that aspires to be positivist and scientific should not be too lofty or removed from reality. However, it is necessary to assume as the ultimate reference point a dualistic scheme not dissimilar from the one found in an older tradition. Catholic historiography used to regard history not only as a mechanism of natural, political, economic, and social causes, but also as the unfolding of divine Providence, to which hostile forces are op-posed. These forces are sometimes referred to in a moralistic fashion as "forces of evil," or in a theological fashion as the "forces of the Antichrist." Such a view has a positive content, provided it is purified and emphasized by bringing it to a less religious and more metaphysical plane, as was done in Classical and Indo-European antiquity: forces of thecosmos against forces ofchaos. To the former corresponds everything that is form, order, law, spiritual hierarchy, and tradition in the higher sense of the word; to the latter correspond every influence that disintegrates, subverts, degrades, and promotes the predominance of the inferior over the superior, matter over spirit, quantity over quality. This is what can be said in regard to the ultimate reference points of the various influences that act upon the realm of tangible causes behind known history. These must be kept into account, though with some prudence. Let me repeat: aside from this necessary metaphysical background, let us never lose sight of concrete history.
Today more than ever it is necessary to refer to these perspectives, which should not be confused with mere speculations and which, besides having a value for knowledge, can supply weapons for the right course of action. In a document that I will soon discuss, it is written:
Because the mentality of Gentiles is of a purely animal nature, they are unable to foresee the consequences to which a cause may lead, if it is portrayed in a certain light. It is precisely in this difference between Jews and non Jews that we can easily recognize God's election, as well as our super-human nature, in comparison with the instinctive and animalistic mentality of the Gentiles. The latter see the facts, but do not foresee them and are unable to invent anything other than material things.
Apart from the reference to Jews, who this document purports are the only secret agents of world subversion (we shall see later if this is so), such considerations are true in general only for those whom I have called history's "objects." When measured against that of their disguised opponents, the mentality of the great majority of modern men of action appears to be quite primitive. The latter concentrate their energies on what is tangible and "concrete," and are unable to perceive the interplay of concordant actions and reactions, causes and effects, beyond a very limited and almost always coarsely materialistic horizon.
The deeper causes of history—here we can refer to both those that act in a negative sense and those that may act in an equilibrating and positive sense— operate prevalently through what can be called "imponderable factors," to use an image borrowed from natural science. These causes are responsible for al-most undetectable ideological, social, and political changes, which eventually produce remarkable effects: they are like the first cracks in a layer of snow that eventually produce an avalanche. These causes almost never act in a direct manner, but instead bestow to some existing processes an adequated i r e c t i o n that leads to the designated goal. Thus, men and groups who believe they are pursuing something willed by themselves become the means through which some-thing different is realized and made possible: it is precisely in this that a super- ordained influence and meaning are revealed. This was noticed by Wundt, who talked about the "heterogeneity of the effects," and by Hegel as well, who introduced the notion of the List der Vernunft [Cunning of Reason] in his phi- losophy of history; however, neither of these thinkers was able to fruitfully develop his intuitions. Unlike what happens in the domain of physical phenomena, an insightful historian encounters several instances where the "causal" explanation (in the deterministic, physical sense) is unsatisfactory, because things do not add up and the total does not equal the sum of the apparent historical factors—almost as if someone adding five, three, and two ended up not with ten, but with fifteen or seven. This differential, especially when it appears as a differential between what is willed and what has really happened, or between ideas, principles, and programs on the one hand and their effective consequences in history on the other, offers the most valuable material for the investigation of the secret causes of history.
Methodologically speaking, we must be careful to prevent valid insights from degenerating into fantasies and superstition, and not develop the tendency to see an occult background everywhere and at all costs. In this regard, every assumption we make must have the character of what are called "working hypotheses" in scientific research—as when something is admitted provisionally, thus allowing the gathering and arranging of a group of apparently isolated facts, only to confer on them a character not of hypothesis but of truth when, at the end of a serious inductive effort, the data converge in validating the original assumption. Every time an effect outlasts and transcends its tangible causes, a suspicion should arise, and a positive or negative influence behind the stages should be perceived. A problem is posited, but in analyzing it and seeking its solution, prudence must be exercised. The fact that those who have ventured in this direction have not restrained their wild imaginations has discredited what could have been a science, the results of which could hardly be overestimated. This too meets the expectations of the hidden enemy.
This is all I have to say concerning the general premises proper to a new three- dimensional study of history. Now let us return to what I said earlier on. After considering the state of society and modern civilization, one should ask if this is not a specific case that requires the application of this method; in other words, one should ask whether some situations of real crisis and radical subversion in the modern world can be satisfactorily explained through "natural" and spontaneous processes, or whether we need to refer to something that has been concerted, a still unfolding plan devised by forces hiding in the shadows.
In this particular domain, many red flags have gone up: too many elements have concurred to alarm the less superficial observers. In the middle of the past century, Disraeli wrote these significant and often quoted words: "The world is governed by people entirely different from the ones imagined by those who are unable to see behind the scenes." Malinsky and De Poncins, when considering the phenomenon of revolution, have remarked that in our age, where it is commonly acknowledged that every disease of the individual organism is caused by bacteria, people pretended that the diseases of the social body—revolutions and disorder—are spontaneous, self-generated phenomena rather than the effect of invisible agents, acting in society the way bacteria and pathogenic germs act in the organism of the individual. Disraeli, in the mid-nineteenth century, wrote:
The public does not realize that in all the conflicts within nations and in the conflicts between nations there are, besides the people apparently responsible for them, hidden agitators who with their selfish plans make these conflicts unavoidable.... Everything that happens in the confused evolution of peoples is secretly prepared in order to ensure the dominion of certain people: it is these people, known and unknown, that we must find behind every public event.58
In this order of ideas, there is an interesting document known as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I have discussed the nature and scope of this document in the introduction to its last Italian edition (Rome, 1937). Here I will only mention some fundamental points.
This document was purported to be a protocol stolen from a secret Judeo-Masonic organization and allegedly reveals a plan that was devised and implemented with the subversion and the destruction of traditional Europe in mind. Regarding the authenticity of the Protocols a rabid and complex debate has erupted, which can be dismissed, however, by Guenon's correct observation that a truly occult organization, no matter what its nature, never leaves behind written documents or "protocols." Thus, in the most favorable hypothesis, theProtocols could have been the work of someone who had contacts with some representatives of this alleged organization. However, we cannot agree either with those who wish to dismiss this document as a vulgar mystification, forgery, and work of plagiarism. The main argument adduced by the latter is that theProtocols reproduce and paraphrase in many parts the ideas found in a short book written by a certain Maurice Joly during the period of Napoleon's Second Empires.59 Allegedly, mysterious provocateurs of the Czar's secret police were responsible for writing theProtocols. This argument is truly irrelevant: those who decry plagiarism should keep in mind that this is not a matter of a literary work or of copyright. For example, when a general writes a plan, he could employ previous materials and writings as long as they contain ideas fit for his purpose. This would be a case of plagiarism, but it would not affect at all the question of whether or not this plan has really been conceived and carried out. Cutting short all this—that is, leaving aside the issue of the "authenticity" of the document in terms of real protocols stolen from an international secret organization—the only important and essential point is the following: this writing is part of a group of texts that in various ways (more or less fantastic and at times even fictional) have expressed the feeling that the disorder of recent times is not accidental, since it corresponds to a plan, the phases and fundamental instruments of which are accurately described in the Protocols. Hugo Wast wrote: "The Protocols may well be a fake, but their predictions have been fulfilled in an amazing way." Henry Ford added: "The only comment that I can make about the protocols is that they perfectly correspond to what is happening today. They were published sixteen years ago, and ever since then they have corresponded to the world situation and today they still dictate its rhythm."60 In a sense, we can speak of a prophetic premonition. In any event, the value of the document as a working hypothesis is undeniable: it presents the various aspects of global subversion (among them, some aspects that were destined to be outlined and accomplished only many years after the publication of the Protocols) in terms of a whole, in which they find their sufficient reason and logical combination.
As I have said, this is not the place to engage in a detailed analysis of the text; it will suffice to recall the main points. First of all, the primary ideologies that are responsible for the modern disorder did not arise spontaneously, but have been evoked and supported by forces that knew they were false61 and had in mind only the latter's destructive and demoralizing effects. This would apply to democratic and liberal ideas; the Third Estate had purposely been mobilized to destroy the previous feudal and aristocratic society, while in a second phase the workers were mobilized to undermine the bourgeois. Another basic idea of theProtocols is that, despite all, the capitalist and the proletarian Internationals are in agreement, being almost two columns with distinct ideas but which act in unison at a tactical level in order to achieve the same strategy. Likewise, the economization of life, especially in the context of an industry that develops at the expense of agriculture, and a wealth that is concentrated on liquid capital and finance, proceeds from a secret design. The phalanx of the modern "economists" followed this design, just as those who spread a demoralizing literature attack spiritual and ethical values and scorn every principle of authority. Among other things, mention is made of the success that the secret front achieved not only for Marxism, but for Darwinism and Nietzsche's nihilism as well.62 TheProtocols at times even encourage the spread of anti-Semitism, while in other cases mention is made of the secret monopoly of the press and of the media in democratic countries as well as the power to paralyze or destroy the most prestigious banks. This power concentrates the rootless, financial wealth in a few hands, and through it controls peoples, parties, and governments. One of the most important objectives is to remove the support of spiritual and traditional values from the human personality, knowing that when this is accomplished it is not difficult to turn man into a passive instrument of the secret front's direct forces and influences. The counterpart of the action of cultural demoralization, materialization, and disorganization causes un- avoidable social crises to grow increasingly worse and collective situations to grow increasingly desperate and unbearable; in this way, a final conflict will eventually be considered as the means to finally sweep away the last residual resistance.
It is difficult to deny that such a "fiction" exposed at the beginning of this century has indeed reflected and anticipated much of what has taken place in the modern world, not to mention the predictions of what is in store for us. It is therefore no surprise that the Protocols received so much attention from those movements of the past that intended to react against and stem the currents of national, social, and moral dissolution in their own day and age. However, these movements often upheld dangerously unilateral positions, due to the lack of adequate discernment; this was a weakness that, again, has played into the enemy's hands.
In relation to this, we must deal with the issue raised by this document concerning the leaders of the occult war. According to theProtocols, the leaders of the global plot are Jews who planned and undertook the destruction of the traditional and Christian European civilization in order to achieve the universal rule of Israel, or God's "chosen people." This is obviously an exaggeration. At this point we may even wonder whether a fanatical anti-Semitism, which always sees the Jew as a deus ex machina, is not unwittingly playing into the hands of the enemy. One of the means employed by the occult forces to protect themselves consists of directing their opponents' attention toward those who are only partially responsible for certain upheavals, thus concealing the rest of the story, namely a wider sequence of causes. It could be shown that even if the Protocols were a forgery perpetrated by provocateurs, nonetheless they reflect ideas very congenial to the Law and spirit of Israel. Second, it is true that many Jews have been and still are among the promoters of modern disorder in its more radical cultural expressions, whether political or social. This, however, should not prevent a deeper analysis, capable of exposing forces that may have employed modern Judaism merely as an instrument. After all, despite the fact that many Jews are among the apostles of the main ideologies regarded by theProtocols as instruments of global subversion (i.e., liberalism, socialism, scientism, and rationalism), it is also evident that these ideas would have never arisen and triumphed without historical antecedents, such as the Reformation, Human-ism, the naturalism and individualism of the Renaissance, and the philosophy of Descartes. Such phenomena cannot be attributed to Judaism, but rather point to a wider web of influences.
In theProtocols the concepts of Judaism and Masonry are interwoven; there-fore, in the literature that this text spawned, mention is often made in careless terms of a Jewish-Masonic plot. Here caution must be exercised. While recognizing the Jewish predominance in many sectors of modern Masonry, as well as the Jewish origin of several elements in the Masonic symbolism and rituals, the anti-Semitic thesis, according to which Masonry has been the creation and tool of Israel, must be rejected. Modern Masonry (with this designation I allude essentially to the Freemasonry that developed since the creation of London's Grand Lodge in 1717) has undoubtedly been one of the societies that promoted the modern political subversions, and especially their ideologi- cal background. However, here too the danger is to be distracted by explaining everything with the action of ordinary Masonry.
Among those who regard theProtocols as a forgery, there are some who have noticed that various ideas in this text are similar to those that have been implemented by centralizing and dictatorial regimes, so much so that theProtocols can be an excellent manual for those who wish to install a new Bonapartism or totalitarianism. This view is partially correct. This amounts to saying that the "occult war" should be conceived, from a positive point of view, within a wide and elastic context, and we should expose the part played in it by phenomena that are apparently contradictory and hardly reducible to the simplistic formula of a Jewish-Masonic global plot.63
Regardless of the role played by Jews and Masonry in the modern subversion, it is necessary to recognize clearly the real historical context of their influence, as well as the limit beyond which the occult war is destined to develop by employing forces that not only are no longer those of Judaism and of Masonry, but that could even totally turn against them. To realize this, consider the law of the regression of the castes, which I have employed as a hermeneutic tool in my Revolt Against the Modern World in order to assess the effective meaning of history. From a civilization led by spiritual leaders and by a sacred regality, a shift occurred to civilizations led by mere warrior aristocracies; the latter were eventually replaced by the civilization of the Third Estate. The last stage is the collectivist civilization of the Fourth Estate. When we reflect carefully on things, modern Judaism as a power (quite apart from the concomitant, widespread, and instinctive action of individual Jewish thinkers and writers) is inseparable from capitalism and finance, which fall within the civilization of the Third Estate. The same applies to modern Masonry, which prepared ideologically for and supported the advent of the Third Estate. Masonry still presents itself today as the custodian of the principles of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, its doctrines acting as a kind of secular religion of modern democracy; its militant action has revealed and continues to reveal itself along this line, openly or in semisecret ways. All this falls within the penultimate phase; this phase, the overall cycle of democratic and capitalist civilization of the Third Estate, will eventually usher in the last collectivist phase, to which it has inadvertently opened the way. It is therefore logical that the role of a central guiding force of global subversion in this last period will no longer be played by Judaism or Masonry and that the main current may turn against both of these groups, as if they were residues to be liquidated once and for all; after all, this can be seen in countries in which regimes controlled by the Fourth Estate (i.e., Marxist regimes) are beginning to be consolidated, even though Jews and Masons contributed to their advent.
But then again, as far as the general radical Jewish-Masonic conspiracy thesis upheld in some milieus is concerned, the actual situation shows its inconsistency. It would be a real abandonment to fantasy to suppose that the leaders of the great conflicting powers— the United States, the USSR, and Red China—receive orders from an international center of Jews and Masons (almost nonexistent in China), and act accordingly in view of the same goal. Again, it is necessary to refer to a wider horizon of influences and to look elsewhere.
For practical purposes, too, it is very important to recognize the instruments of the occult war, namely the means employed by the secret forces of global subversion to conceal their action, prevent their opponents' action, and continue to exercise their influence. I will now say something in this regard, drawing inspiration from some of the points developed by Rene Guenon, who was one of the most perceptive people in reference to the secret backgrounds of many upheavals of modern times.
Let us begin with the tool of scientific suggestion. I believe the "scientific" method of considering events and history is more the consequence of a suggestion spread in modern culture by antitraditional forces in order to conceal their action than the natural orientation of a shortsighted mentality. Those who believe that history is made only by the men on the stage and determined by the most evident economic, social, political, and cultural factors do not see and do not seek any other explanation; and yet this is exactly what every force operating in secret desires. A civilization dominated by the positivist prejudice offers the most fertile ground to an action arising from what I have called the "third dimension." In great part this is the case with modern civilization. It is a civilization rendered myopic and defenseless by the positivist, rationalist, and scientist prejudice. We have scarcely begun to expose all the ideas that remain as the basis of the modern mentality and education; these ideas are not so much errors and limitations as they are suggestions spread and promoted for precise reasons by antitraditional forces.
I have already mentioned some nonpositivist views of the course of events that introduce various entities, such as the "absolute Spirit," or the elan vital, or "History." In this we can see an example of the possible application of a second instrument of the occult war, the tactic of replacement. This tactic is employed every time there is the danger of an awakening on the part of "history's objects," or when some ideas that facilitate the occult game of the forces of global subversion have lost their power of suggestion. In the above-mentioned case, such confused philosophical views act as a sort of bait for those who are unsatisfied with positivist views, so that their eyes may not look in the direction where they should. Due to the vagueness of these notions, the field is not any less concealed than by positivist blindness. People will play around with "philosophical ideas" while the plan continues to unfold. Often the tactic of replacement develops efficaciously in the form of a tactic of counterfeits. It may happen that after the effects of the destructive work reach the material plane, they become so visible as to provoke a reaction, and thus ideas and symbols are employed for a defense and a reconstruction. In the best scenario they are values of the traditional past, which come back to life thanks to this existential reaction of a society or civilization threatened by dissolution. Then the occult war is not waged in a direct manner; often attention is paid to promoting only distortions and counterfeits of these ideas. In this way, the reaction is contained, deviated, or even led in the opposite direction.
Such a tactic may be employed in various domains, from the spiritual and cultural to the political. An example is given by "traditionalism." I have already discussed what the termtradition signifies in the higher sense of the word: it is the form bestowed by forces from above upon the overall possibilities of a given cultural area and specific period, through super-individual and even antihistorical values and through elites that know how to derive an authority and natural prestige from such values. In the present day it often happens that a confused desire to return to "tradition" is purposely channeled to the form of "traditionalism." The content of this "traditionalism" consists of habits, routines, surviving residues and vestiges of what once was, without a real under- standing of the spiritual world and of what in them is not merely factual but has a character of perennial value. Thus, such nontraditional or, should we say, "traditionalist" attitudes offer an easy target to the enemy, whose attack mounted against traditionalism is only the opening barrage preceding an attack against Tradition itself: to this purpose the slogans of "anachronism," "anti-history," "immobilism," and "regression" are employed. Thus, reaction is paralyzed as the maneuver leads successfully to the preestablished goal.
From the general plane it is easy to shift to particular cases, since recent history is full of them. Thus, in the political context, the Roman idea with its symbols, the "Aryan" idea, and the idea of the Empire or Reich—to all this the tactic of misleading substitutions and counterfeits has been applied with depreciable effects that cannot elude an attentive observer. Therefore, it is possible to under- stand the validity of the points I made in the first chapter.
Fourth, we must point out the tactic of inversion. Let us take a typical example. The secret forces of global subversion knew exactly that the basis of the order to be destroyed consisted in the supernatural element—that is, in the spirit—con- ceived not as a philosophical abstraction or as an element of faith, but as a superior reality, as a reference point for the integration of everything that is human.
After limiting the influence that could be exercised in this regard by Christianity, through the spread of materialism and scientism, the forces of global subversion have endeavored to conveniently divert any tendency toward the supernatural arising outside the dominant religion and the limitation of its dogmas. So-called "neo-spiritualism,"64 not only in its more deleterious spiritualist forms, but also in its pseudo-Eastern and occultist forms (not to mention the theories concerning the unconscious, the irrational, and so on), is greatly influenced by the tactic of inversion. Instead of rising toward what is beyond the person as a really super-natural element, here we remain in the subpersonal and in the infrarational, ac-cording to an inversion that quite often has sinister characteristics.
The results achieved in this way are twofold. First, it was easy to extend the discredit that in numerous cases rightly affected these ideas to different ideas that might appear related, even though in their innermost essence they have nothing in common; thus, the latter genuine ideas are put in a condition to no longer pose a threat. A good part of what the West has learned about the East, outside the dry and sterile domain of philology and academic specialization, is often affected by this maneuver. The results seem to be for the most part some-thing distorted; this severely limits the positive influence that various aspects of the legacy of ancient Eastern spirituality are liable to exercise, provoking the reaction of the most obtuse and inappropriate "defenses of the West." Another example lies in the milieus that, when it comes to symbols and esotericism, can think only of Masonry or Theosophy, even when the reference goes back to ancient and noble traditions that have nothing to do with the latter; the positivist and rationalist prejudice of a certain critical "culture" identifies all this as superstition and fantasy, thus completing the smear campaign. This is the case with examples of some militant Catholic apologetics that see only naturalism and pantheism in everything outside their perspective; these are misunderstandings and effects of an interplay of concordant actions and reactions, to which several representatives of Catholicism are liable.
The second result does not concern the domain of ideas but rather the practical and concrete domain. The inverted tendencies toward the spiritual and the supernatural can favor the emergence of dark forces, and be resolved in a deceitful action against the human personality. Many reactions against rationalism and intellectualism lead exactly to this, especially the theories of the unconscious, which through psychoanalysis have either generated a well-established practice or encouraged various forms of morbid fascination.
Another method is the tactic of ricochet. This occurs when the traditional forces being targeted take the initiative through an action against other traditional forces, an action that eventually ricochets back at its promoters. For instance, the secret forces of global subversion, through opportune infiltrations or suggestions, may induce the representatives of a certain tradition to believe that the best way to strengthen it consists of either undermining or discrediting other traditions. Those who do not realize what is going on and who, because of material interests, attack Tradition in like-minded people sooner or later must expect to see Tradition attacked in themselves, by ricochet. The forces of global subversion rely very much on this tactic; thus, they attempt in every possible way to cause any higher idea to give in to the tyranny of individual interests or proselytizing, prideful, and power-hungry tendencies. They know perfectly well that this is the best way to destroy every unity and solidarity and to favor a state of affairs in which their overall scheme will be implemented. They know well that there is an objective law of immanent justice and that "the mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine," and thus they act accordingly; they wait for the fruits of these inconsiderable initiatives to mature and then they intervene.
In the political domain, the case of every Machiavellian employment of revolutionary forces falls within this category. Shortsighted political leaders have often believed that to arouse or to support revolution in hostile nations is, in certain circumstances, an excellent means to benefit their own people. With-out realizing it, or in becoming aware of it too late, they have obtained the opposite result. While they thought they were using the revolution as a means, it was the revolution that used them as tools; eventually, the revolution spread to other countries, catching up with the politicians who unleashed it and wiping them out. Modern history has been in part the theater of a subversion that has tragically spread in this way. Thus, we can never emphasize too much that unconditioned loyalty to an idea is the only possible protection from occult war; where such loyalty falls short and where the contingent goals of "real politics" are obeyed, the front of resistance is already undermined. The ricochet should be seen in an analogous context, in the case of "peoples' right to self-determination." This principle, after having been employed by modern democracies as an ideological instrument during World War II, eventually affected white peoples, thus putting an end to Europe's prestige and pre-eminence.
When the secret forces of world subversion are fearful of exposure or realize that, due to special circumstances, the direction imparted from backstage has become obvious, at least in its major effects, they employ the scapegoat tactic. They try to shift the enemy's attention onto elements that are responsible only partially, or in a subordinated fashion, for their own wrongful deeds. A reaction is unleashed against those elements, which then become the scapegoats. Thus, after a pause, the secret front may resume its work, because its opponents believe they have identified the enemy and dealt with it. Talking about the Protocol s , I have mentioned a possible example of such tactics in reference to the part attributed to Jews and Masons. Thus, we must beware of any unilaterality and never lose sight of the overall picture of the secret front.
Let us now discuss the tactic of dilution, which constitutes a particular aspect of the "tactic of surrogates." The main example that I will now introduce must be prefaced with the following: the process that has led to the current crises has remote origins and has developed in several phases.65 In each of these phases the crisis was already present, though in a latent or potential form. The theory of "progress" may be regarded as one of the suggestions spread by the secret forces of world subversion so that attention would be diverted from the origins and the process of dissolution could proceed, carried forth by the illusion of the triumphs of technological-industrial civilization. The tragic events of re-cent times have provoked a partial awakening from this hypnosis. Many people have begun to realize that the march of so-called progress paralleled a race toward the abyss. Thus, to stop and return to the origins as the only way to restore a normal civilization has been the inspiring vision for many. Next, the occult front employed new means to prevent any radical reaction. Here, too, it employed the slogans of "anachronism" and "reactionary and retrograde forces"; then it caused die forces that aimed at a return to the origins to be led toward stages in which the crisis and the disease were present in less extreme forms, though still clearly visible. This trap worked as well. The leaders of world subversion naturally know that, once this is done, there is no longer a real danger: it is enough to wait and soon we will be back at the starting point, by following processes analogous to the ones that have already occurred, but now without the possibility of any resistance to the dissolution.
There are many historical examples of this tactic, which should be rather instructive for those who hope to assume the initiative of a reconstructive action. As a first example, we should examine closely some traits of modern nationalism. We know about the revolutionary, subversive, and antihierarchical function that the collectivist-demagogic concept of "nation" has played against the previous forms of European civilization and political organization. The reference point of many people who have fought against the various internationals (especially against the communist International) has been the concept of the nation; care was rarely taken to define such a concept in a way that would no longer represent what needed to be opposed.
In this regard, it will suffice to recall what I have said earlier about the opposition existing between popular nationalism and the spiritual nation, between national State and traditional State (see chapter 3). In the first case, nationalism has a leveling and antiaristocratic function; it is like the prelude to a wider leveling, the common denominator of which is no longer the nation, but rather the International. In the second case, the idea of the nation may serve as the foundation for a new recovery and an important first reaction against the internationalist dissolution; it upholds a principle of differentiation that still needs to be further carried through toward an articulation and hierarchy within every single people. But where the awareness of this opposition is lacking, as in indiscriminate nationalism, there is a danger of being subjected to the tactic of dilution: this danger, incidentally, has already occurred. It is in view of this—that is, of such a possible meaning of nationalistic orientation—that Soviet communism, while opposing nationalism as a counterrevolutionary phenomenon, favors and supports it in the non-Marxist areas inhabited by the "underdeveloped" peoples, who are the alleged victims of colonialism, waiting for further developments to lead to the stage in which it will be able to reap its fruits.
I will mention here two more examples of the tactic of dilution. The first concerns the socioeconomic domain and is connected to all the "national" and social-conformist versions of Marxism; it is the same disease in diluted form. This is also the case with "socializing" theories, which are Trojan horses to be introduced into the citadel, in order to conquer it not with a direct attack, but rather through a natural and inevitable inner development. The second ex-ample concerns the cultural domain. I have already discussed the meaning of psychoanalytical theories in the context of the modern subversion. Among those who are capable of a healthy discernment there has been a reaction against the coarsest forms of this pseudo-science, which correspond to pure or "orthodox" Freudianism. The tactic of dilution was employed again; the formulation and spread of a spiritualized psychoanalysis for more refined tastes was furthered.
The result was that those who react against Freud and his disciples no longer do so against Jung, without realizing that what is at work here is the same inversion, though in a more dangerous form because it is subtler, and a contaminating exegesis ventures more decidedly into the domain of spirituality than in the case of Freud. Another tactic is the deliberate misidentification of a principle with its represen- tatives. In many regards the decay of traditional institutions began with the corruption of their worldly representatives.
The effective dissolution and destruction has been made possible by the confusion between principles and people; this is another weapon of the occult war. When the representatives of a given principle prove to be unworthy of it, the criticism of them extends immediately to the principle itself and is especially directed against it. Instead of acknowledging that some individuals are not at the level of the principle, and instead of requiring that they be replaced by qualified individuals, in order to restore a situation of normalcy, it is claimed that the principle itself is false, corrupt, or passe, and that it should be replaced with a different principle. In almost every revolution this tactic has played a major role. It may also be characterized as that of portraying a crisisin the system as a crisisof the system. Examples of this kind are so prevalent that I hardly need mention them. The attack against monarchies and aristocracies has followed this path. Marxism has applied the same device, using the injustices of capitalism as a pretext in order to attack free-market economy and to proclaim a collectivist economy. In the spiritual domain the examples are numerous. The Lutheran Reformation used the corruption of the representatives of the Roman Church in order to question the principle of authority and many fundamental beliefs of the Catholic tradition, thus shifting over from people to principles.
Finally, I wish to mention one more instrument of the secret war, though it refers to a very particular domain: the tactic of the replacing infiltrations. It is when a certain spiritual or traditional organization falls into such a state of degeneration that its representatives know very little of its true, inner foundation, or the basis of its authority and prestige. The life of such an organization may then be compared to the automatic state of a sleepwalker, or living body deprived of its soul. In a sense a spiritual "void" has been created that can be filled, through infiltrations, by other subversive forces. These forces, while leaving the appearances unchanged, use the organization for totally different purposes, which at times may even be the opposite of those that were originally its own. We should also not rule out the case where such infiltrated elements work for the destruction of the organization that they now control—for ex-ample, by creating new scandals, liable to give rise to serious repercussions. In this particular instance what is employed on the outside is the previously mentioned tactic of mistaking the representatives for the principle. Even the knowledge of this can cast light on many phenomena of the past and present. Having mentioned Masonry, it must he stated that the genesis of modern Freemasonry as a subversive force is due to this tactic of replacement and inversion that is exercised within some of the oldest organizations, which Masonry retained as mere vestiges, structures, symbols, and hierarchies, while the effective guiding influences have a different nature altogether.
I hope that having limited myself to only a few examples and having primarily discussed principles will not prevent the reader from recognizing the multiple possibilities of application of those same principles in various spheres, for there is no sphere in which the occult war has not in some manner been undertaken and is not still being waged today. The most important sphere for the application of the knowledge of the weapons of the occult war is the inner one: the world of one's own thoughts. It is here that one needs to be on guard; it is here one should be able to recognize the subtle influences that try to suggest ideas and reactions to us in certain situations. If this can be accomplished, even if it is still not possible to identify the enemy in our midst, it would at least bar to him the main paths of his secret action.
In what I have expounded there is no philosophical speculation nor flight of fancy, but rather serious and positive ideas. I am firmly convinced that no fighter or leader on the front of counter-subversion and Tradition can be regarded as mature and fit for his tasks before developing the faculty to perceive this world of subterranean causes, so that he can face the enemy on the proper ground. We should recall the myth of the Learned Elders of theProtocols: compared to them, men who see only "facts" are like dumb animals. There is little hope that anything may be saved when among the leaders of a new movement there are no men capable of integrating the material struggle with a secret and inexorable knowledge, one that is not at the service of dark forces but stands instead on the side of the luminous principle of traditional spirituality.
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don't you get bored? Razz

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don't you get bored? Razz
In which sense , if u referring to the extremely intelligently written evola piece above, then thats the opposing realm to whatever your "bored" may be, was it boring for you ?

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