Discovering the Shadow

seraphim Wed 02 Dec 2009, 09:12

Uncovering the shadow........
The ignored shadow or darkness that is so crucial to wellbeing. From the Shadow Dance book:

Our scared and arrogant ego has an enormous capacity not to know itself. This shadow side of our ego contains the disowned, disavowed, unlived, and excluded traits and powers of our personality.
It is the dimension of our personality that is rejected by our conscious ego. It is both negative and positive. The negative shadow contains all that we despise and reject as unworthy in ourselves. It is not evil, only inferior. Only when it is denied does it gain an autonomous life of its own and become destructively evil. Our dark side is destructive when it is discredited or neglected.

The positive shadow contains all our untapped creative potential. We may have been taught to despise that side of ourselves too. In both instances, positive and negative, we usually project our shadow onto someone of our own sex since we are meeting up with the dark side of our own ego, not that of our contra sexual side.

A way to recognize the shadow: what strongly attracts or repels us in others is a clue to where our own darkness lurks. As we begin accepting our shadow, we acknowledge our projections of our shadow qualities onto others as truths about ourselves.

Since our disowned qualities seem to be outside of us but are actually projected by us, as our physical shadow is the word shadow is used to describe them. The abhorred features of our own personality are projected as repulsion, rejection, or dislike of others who demonstrate the very traits we hate in ourselves.
The disowned talents and creative potentials in us are projected as strong admiration of other's talents or virtues that seem unattainable by us. We may fear the negative shadow and be in awe of the positive shadow. Both of these reactions are examples of a failure to integrate our own diverse shadow components.

Jung refers to a personal shadow and to a collective shadow, an archetype of our unconscious. It is both personal and comic, a cellar of old trunks full of family mementos and an attic of ancient volumes of cherished memoires and images from the history of all humankind. The personal unconscious and a world mythology book.
Both the personal and the cosmic unconscious are and contain a shadow. Our personal shadow is the rejected side of our personality and the ego; our cosmic shadow is the rejected side of our higher Self. Both the personal and cosmic shadows have positive and negative dimensions.

**KapitanScarlet** Thu 03 Dec 2009, 02:59

thx for posting the info, i will try and learn about this shadow concept riight here

So there is a personal shadow which has a positive and negative components , the positive components being unused or ignored creativity , the negative being destructive thoughts, irrational repulsions etc

And there is a collective shadow which also has positive and negative elements

Now the way i would imagine it works, is that this shadow communication to the self, has to be through the conscious psyche , through dreams , or by manifestation of circumstances that brings something directly to the psyches physical attentions

The personal shadow, i see as directly related to how someone lives their existence , just like when you walk in the sunlight or moonlight , your own movements in relation to the position of the sun or moon , determine the shadow

Therefore , i transmute that physical analogy into the next layer of understanding for me
My own movements translate to how i exist, my thoughts, my self education , any decision or choice that i freely make has a definitive effect on my own personal shadow
But in addition to that , the only model i can find for the sun and the moon analogy would be something that i relate to that is other than me, and that would be the worldly experiences of people, of knowledge of ignorance of joy of despair etc .
I can whittle these 2 examples down to my actions and my reactions on the earth, determine the content and activity of my personal shadow

So if i am in good control and enlightened about my self and my relationship with the world, then my personal shadow , i can observe and even influence when required by conscious intentions , keep it in check so to speak so i do not encounter any dark manifestations or dark surprises , and if my personal shadow is not dealt with by me in a responsible manner , i slowly fall into becoming a deceptive being to be manipulated by my own spawned demons and by societys

Now comes my first question to myself or anyone
Is the personal shadow something that can be controlled just like a physical shadow, if you know the reference points or is it something that cannot be controlled ? and if not ... why not ?

Then this concept of the collective shadow would be some psychic ghost of society which can control and harness vast numbers of beings at a time through deception and conditioning ?

Flames Fri 04 Dec 2009, 01:16

Good thread idea, Seraphim. I spend a lot of time contemplating "the shadow".

Here is something I've been thinking about a lot regarding the subject, and I'm saying so, without understanding much of Jungian psychology, so forgive me for that.

We know that a lot of people out there do not face their shadow self, and how it is projected onto others, many don't even know what the hell a "shadow self" is, or that a shadow complex exists.

What I've been wondering is this: How much work, or how often should one be facing this "shadow", and how to go about doing so? I say this, because it seems I am always in the state of facing this thing. I would say, that I have never existed in true selfhood or any sense of selfhood at all, only the deep dark shadow of the mind.

I would contend that life itself is a constant cathartic purge. Trying to expunge inner negative and fear. Ever feel overly exerted from sifting through the dark content of the mind? It's certainly taken its toll on me, I can say that for sure.

seraphim Fri 04 Dec 2009, 08:20

Folks go through their Nights of Hell. After I had gotten over my suicidal thoughts along time ago, I realized it wasn't me it wasn't my true self who really wanted to die. It was the outside making me feel this way. It was mindboggling for me how not only one's physical life but how one's frame of mind is all controlled by the outside. None of those suicidal thoughts originated from me. I'm not sure if they were trying to wake me up to something more or was it the mass conscious dark shadow moving through me.

When I realized that my mind became even more fluid or aware and my outlook on life. All this darkness happens in life but does it really have anything to do with a person, it's like Maya. The drama, the pain, the dualities are not a person, not their real Self.

I think one has to find out if these dark thoughts are really there own, in my case I'm sure they were not. On the other hand the dark thoughts that one knows absolutely are theirs, usually means they are ignoring something, that something inside is not being allowed out, in that case the dark thoughts are beneficial and are a key to telling one where to look to get to the root cause.

And one can take a pill and get out the easy way, of which alot of folks are self medicating themselves or they can deal with the shadow. And then sometimes the mind can block out everything or trained to.

That is the first step I believe Flames. To find out what you want to do about the dark thoughts. Do you really want to get over these feelings of darkness because they make you feel bad, take the easy way out, or do you need to deal with something and these dark contents are trying to tell you something.

Thanks for being honest. Not telling anyone what to do, just some friendly advice. I'll find some pointers for you in my next post on the shadow.

seraphim Fri 04 Dec 2009, 08:29

So if i am in good control and enlightened about my self and my relationship with the world, then my personal shadow , i can observe and even influence when required by conscious intentions , keep it in check so to speak so i do not encounter any dark manifestations or dark surprises , and if my personal shadow is not dealt with by me in a responsible manner , i slowly fall into becoming a deceptive being to be manipulated by my own spawned demons and by societys

Exactly Kapis, is a person going to let something outside of them determine everything, including how they feel, like I said the darkness engulfing me wasn't of my doing, like you said a form of manipulation, or is a person going to finally guide themself and determine who or what is going to influence them.

Now comes my first question to myself or anyone
Is the personal shadow something that can be controlled just like a physical shadow, if you know the reference points or is it something that cannot be controlled ? and if not ... why not ?

I think anything can be controlled, well not that easily except for a person's conscious, joke! Yes, it can be controlled, it depends on what one allows to be absorped and the discrimination to know the difference between what is really beneficial and what is not. So how does one stop all this absorption of influences, so they can guide their own mind.

Then this concept of the collective shadow would be some psychic ghost of society which can control and harness vast numbers of beings at a time through deception and conditioning ?

Yes and I think people's personal shadow is governed mostly by the mass shadow and it can get complex. People end their lives because of that.

tgII Fri 04 Dec 2009, 14:42

You guys have been blazing away here, I can barely keep up! Shocked

highnoon Fri 04 Dec 2009, 18:14

Im rewriting my take on the shadow.
I just understand it to be the passions that we're not experiencing. Many of our passions never get realized only a small percentage of females for instance will ever get treated with respect and be charmed by a witty male and wined and dined like julia roberts and hugh grant. I dont think these two actors ARE the epitome of damsel and knight but they symbolize what you'd wish for, anyway. So these hangups are just there in the back of our minds, and they want to experience things too. Everything that you experience that they dont want to experience, they have to experience. and everything they want, you're not doing. unless of course you are able to have that epicurian bachelor lifestyle. this is a fantasy projected by the nwo, the same nwo that wants you to work 60 hours in mind numbing abusive heirarchies and be in debt.

to live in these times is to generally have many never experienced dreams and desires. and the shadow stays a child because he never gets his life experience that he wanted. he doesnt get to grow side by side with you, you outgrow it and become Mr. Square and he stays in his childlike form and years go by and he is imprisoned so he leaks out, he's trying to live and he probably wants you to die so all the pain can just go away, because hes not having any fun piggybacking on you through his life, experiencing your life.

seraphim Fri 04 Dec 2009, 22:47

That was really insightful HighNoon. You are so correct, not experiencing dreams, the reason why a positive shadow is created.
And how it can be compared to an abandoned child.

You know what I noticed about alot of females on Halloween? That's the one day where people can express some of their shadow just a little bit and so many females dress up like they need attention. What does that tell you?

**KapitanScarlet** Sat 05 Dec 2009, 00:29

to live in these times is to generally have many never experienced dreams and desires. and the shadow stays a child because he never gets his life experience that he wanted. he doesnt get to grow side by side with you, you outgrow it and become Mr. Square and he stays in his childlike form and years go by and he is imprisoned so he leaks out, he's trying to live and he probably wants you to die so all the pain can just go away, because hes not having any fun piggybacking on you through his life, experiencing your life.

Thats illuminating high noon

i see many people "Concede" their interactive persona to fit into one of societys presented "idea of normal" characters and so they never really develop their own uniqueness because of this investment in "someone elses idea of normal" which has a snowball effect in restricting their authentic development
there is always something disatisfied within which eventually will turn toxic in them or on others

Halloween every weekend over here...the masks go on the ladys an lads do go a little crazxy

Flames Sat 05 Dec 2009, 05:16

Some abstract ideas:

The sun.

Man, I don't know where this subject would belong, but thought I'd share some recent observation, you know.

I've been somewhat consumed with this subject of GEOMANCY/LEY LINES/DRAGON LINES. Something I wrote off in the past as nonsense, as usual. Well, my non-stopping brain has been drilling me lately, about the energetic levels of locations. For instance, I've traveled off and on and have noticed where areas of high sun activity influenced human energy levels vs. areas of low photonic energy areas (areas of low beauty, life quality, non distinctive observable identity), Given my perception, I see beautiful people in beautiful locations, I don't live in one of those locations, but that's not the point.

Is it a good thing that the absence of the sun occurs? A reflective situation of deconstruction? Nature and hibernation? Why the fuck would the birds fly south, the bears hibernate in caves, and mankind continues to exist in cubicles?

I live each day in one of those low human energy levels. I haven't quite figured out if this is just a case of my own perception vs. so called "accepted reality consensus", or if this is a case of the sun and its effects on human activity. This shit is driving me nuts.

People don't seem to be the same people as they were a couple of months ago. What is it about the seasons that change people in such a cyclical repetitive nature?

Is GEOMANCY a result of energy coming out from the Earth, or to the Earth from the sun? What a Face

hrblsh Sat 05 Dec 2009, 06:11

Someone I heard in an interview said something about there having been an eternal spring, up until something happened which set the axis wobbling? And that the moon is an evil spaceship. Sounds like shadowy stuff. If the moon is wrong and the seasons are wrong? But if something happened to make them this way, it depends on if that thing were "natural" or not. Like if some cosmic battle took place, or something big hit a planet between mars and jupiter? If that were to happen it would cause huge impacts on earth, which we would still be feeling. So, either there are aggressive aliens with big guns out there, or rouge mega comets, with bad trajectories that could smack into us at any moment. Either way something someone might want not to mention at christmas dinner, or on the evening news.

seraphim Sat 05 Dec 2009, 07:18

Do folks like trauma or what Kapis?
For those doing the Halloween weekends….they don’t even care to know why the shadow is making them do those things or even know they have one, it is crying out for help and instead of benefiting from what it is trying to say, folks just act out abnormally and to the extremes.
They can express what they want and do that and not have to go bat crazy out there and do dumb ass things.

The shadow is filled to the brim with creativity and that needs to be tapped.

You are on to something flames for sure! Isn’t it nuts just thinking about all this. There must be some internal biological process going on that people get from Nature that makes them go into hibernation in winter or at night. A person can learn a lot going inward, so that at least is one positive thing when the sun’s not shining. Are you more inward in the winter just curious? Doing alright with the lamp?

I wonder what’s effecting the ley lines and such. I’ve been to a few spots and will be going to a place with some very bizarre energy nearby. I’d like to feel it out. Find out if it was an old battle and it’s the Spirit’s causing this energy or if it’s something else.

Hrblsh I have no idea where Gore got this fake information that the planet is going to warm. Does he know something is going to happen out there, like you said there may have been between Jupiter and Mars, or else he is going by what his Masters tell him, the next trial will be through fire, and so he has to spout global warming.

In school, all the scientists said the opposite of what he said, of course very slowly. I’ll have to get out the geology paperwork, but they studied the Earth and have all the ice ages and time periods written down, I’ll dig that up. So it’s absolutely stunning that not many of those scientists came forward to dispute these solid facts with Gore.

That eternal spring sounds nice.

Flames Sat 05 Dec 2009, 07:30

Are you more inward in the winter just curious? Doing alright with the lamp?

Yes. I would say that I am a more "inward" person during Fall/Winter, and a billion times more outward in the Summer/Spring. The light treatments aren't worth jack in my opinion. I'm a million light years past that now, and understand that nothing replaces the power of the big ball of plasma in the sky we call the "sun".

Hey, just wanted to say, hrblsh up there is totally onto something. As a matter of fact, this book says a great deal of what he's talking about:

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The subject of the moon is deserving of its own 100+ page thread. And I would also entertain the idea, the moon might be "an evil spaceship", as hrblsh eloquently put it, and some crazy shit might have caused the disruption of everything we're talking about in the distant/distant past. Why the astroid belt, why the tilt of the earth's axis? Why/How the fuck do moons exist in the first place?! Take a look at Iapetus for goodness' sake: http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/publikum/nyheter/2009/10/images/iapetus.jpg

Could these cosmological alignments be the source of man's dysfunctional problems? How the heck would I know!?

That event could be the genesis of our shadow. Comets, Aliens, Demons doesn't matter, we're fucked, and we're fucked up. That book helped explain a lot that I never contemplated. After reading a lot of Hoagland and Farrell, ancient myths and texts, it doesn't sound too far out of the reach of possibility to me.

**KapitanScarlet** Fri 19 Mar 2010, 11:51

Semiotics is concerned with everything that can be taken as a sign. A sign is everything which can be taken as significantly substituting for something else. This something else does not necessarily have to exist or to actually be somewhere at the moment in which a sign stands in for it. Thus semiotics is in principle the discipline studying everything which can be used in order to lie. If something cannot be used to tell a lie, conversely it cannot be used to tell the truth; it cannot in fact be used 'to tell' at all. I think that the definition of a 'theory of the lie' should be taken as a pretty comprehensive program for a general semiotics. -Umberto Eco, Theory of Semiotics, 1976

**KapitanScarlet** Sat 01 Jan 2011, 13:16

tgII Sat 01 Jan 2011, 22:02

Kapis, that Umberto Eco quote on semiotics is really good.

Yeah, we're in semiotic warfare and our enemies are called
'semioticians'; they work in think tanks and advertising
agencies.

Fritz Springmeir was just released from prison and the other
day, I was reviewing his work on the Satanic Bloodline families
with particular emphasis on the Li family from China.

Shocked

quicksilvercrescendo Sun 02 Jan 2011, 13:54

Fritz Springmeier Released From Prison

October 28, 2010
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

I was elated to receive a letter today from my friend Fritz Springmeier informing me that he has been transferred to a halfway house in the Portland area.

He is there to find a job and accommodation after which he will be released on probation for five years. Under the terms of his probation he won't be able to do any political work but he hopes to be able to teach people to "make good decisions" in the hard times ahead.

He is able to work within a 100 mile radius of Portland. If you can help him find a job, or just want to wish him well, he can be reached at faspringmeier@gmail.com

Fritz was imprisoned in Feb. 2003 due to his research on the Illuminati and his work deprogramming victims of Illuminati mind control. His books "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" and "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create
an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave" helped thousands learn about Illuminati control.

"There is a wave of positive divine energy creating a positive momentum to my release and to overcoming the difficulties in my path," Fritz wrote. "I have a good case officer and a good probation officer, and this is a good halfway house."

Fritz is still confined to the establishment and can only leave on supervised job hunting expeditions.

He writes that many people opposed to the New World Order need to put their own lives in order. "Many are just news junkies," he writes.

He foresees bad times and wonders if we are prepared spiritually. For example, if we are hungry, will we steal?

Flames Sun 02 Jan 2011, 23:31

Fritz Springmeier is very interesting. I remember viewing his '13 families of the Illuminati' youtube clips a couple of years back.

I re watched some of those clips last night, and was blown away by how far ahead of his time his research was. I don't know when that video was taken, but I've seen Springmeier cited in various books I've read.

I don't think I've even heard of the THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE. Shocked

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