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Re: 2012

Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 24 Nov 2010, 23:33

Yeah choose the free dowload option and wait as it uploads for download or straight watch in browser or mediaplayer, i just downloaded part 1, took about 2 minutes to load up on the server then another 10 mins to download as it only coming in at max 70KB/s for 35MB over here


Yeah when i tried to watch or download the second part, it would not allow it, it uploaded ok, but when pressing free dowload, it just looped around again to upload mode and again and again offering only the gold pay version
Maybe its geographic area or a time based delay, will try again another day.


No, my error, your correct qsc, on my first visit, the vids you mention below the links never loaded in , but when i refreshed, they dod, can watch the vids on that page (scroll down below dowload links) just like an embedded utube vid

Ive watched up to the blast technics of nuclear explosions which is absolutely riveting info to me
study you gotta check this one out Tg if you have not already
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Re: 2012

Post  tgII on Thu 25 Nov 2010, 13:09

I've seen that nuke theory being past around by Dimitri; haven't
looked at it yet to even consider commenting.

First questions though: Who is he? Is he connected in anyway
with British Intelligence?

Something intriguing though is that the team that I am with have
discovered the 'drop box' location of where the flights on 9/11
were flown and then dropped into the ocean.

Some really nasty shit going on here.
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Re: 2012

Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:28

From past discussions on the MTSAR forum and this one, there were three theories that have caught my attention as to what brought down the towers.

The thermite-thermate theory. Of which physical evidence has been found and much research made public. Also video footage of thermite burning through steel and sending molten streamers off the side of the towers prior to collapse is more than compelling. But thermite-thermate does not turn concrete and steel into dust. According to this video from the Russian, most of the towers mass was of steel, not concrete. But the steel was also turned into dust. Thermite-thermate alone could not have done this by itself. It is quite likely that some thermite and thermate was used at key points in the towers to weaken their structure and guarantee a collapse into a confined footprint.

This Russian's nuclear theory and his explanation of the difference between and underground and an atmospheric detonation is key. This is what can turn steel, concrete, office chairs, ductwork, pipes, computers and people into dust. And leave molten pools of metal in the basement for months after the collapse. Thermite-thermate cannot do this....it was used as a secondary device or tool to assist in the collapse, probably to guide it and avoid damage to surrounding structures.

The third was the theory that some type of energy weapon was used. But in light of the nuclear theory and how it can change solid matter of any type into plasma...the need to reach far and theorize about some top-secret exotic energy weapon is no longer necessary.

Cutting thermite and nukes.

These videos give some valuable perspective. Particularly that to get permission to build such large towers the plan to demolish them had to also be presented in advance of their construction. That plan was underground nukes.

So yes, we must question who this Russian may be working for.
But if his information on the physics of what occurs with this type of detonation is correct...it is the best explanation of what pulverized those towers in that manner.

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Re: 2012

Post  tgII on Fri 26 Nov 2010, 08:58

Holy crap, Bobdog, you're catching on!!! Which angle should we
go after first, Sohonet or 'Phil the Greek' as he is called; Prince Philip?

Can I latch onto Qsc's post first because I think it is really critical,
here is just some preliminary material:

Qsc, I took one component of 9/11 as humble as the damn elevators
installed in the Twin Towers and went from there. It is quite convincing
too when you break these components down into manageable chunks for
people to begin to comprehend the mind-numbing complexity involved
here.

First, from the news reports you begin to understand something is
happening here. In this case, why were the 'elevator mechanics' pulled
off the site which I've indicated in blue when they should not have been
pulled off the rescue?

Indeed? Just who were these 'elevator mechanics'? We'll find out
in a moment, but first the following:

  • "USA Today will comment: "When the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, Otis Elevator's mechanics led the rescue of 500 people trapped in elevators. Some mechanics were dropped onto the roofs of the Twin Towers by helicopter. Others, carrying 50-pound oxygen tanks on their backs, climbed through smoke to machine rooms high in the towers. On Sept. 11, the elevator mechanics—many of the same men involved in the rescues in 1993—left the buildings after the second jet struck, nearly an hour before the first building collapsed." Although ACE Elevator, the local company which won the WTC contract from Otis in 1994, will say it was acting in accordance with procedure, USA Today will note: "The departure of elevator mechanics from a disaster site is unusual. The industry takes pride in rescues. In the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, elevator mechanics worked closely with the firefighters making rescues." Robert Caporale, editor of Elevator World will say, "Nobody knows the insides of a high-rise like an elevator mechanic. They act as guides for firefighters, in addition to working on elevators." The Port Authority will also say that their departure was in conflict with the emergency plan. "There was no situation in which the mechanics were advised or instructed to leave on their own." [USA Today, 12/19/2001]


Part of the attack on America was launched out of Montreal,
Canada and in fact, French was used by operatives because
few in the American intelligence services and law enforcement
speak this sophisticated language. The organization called
Francophonie played a huge part in logistics for 9/11. And don't
forget, the Naudet brothers who were French and were on site
with cameras who zeroed in on the exact point of impact.

  • Brigadier General (RET.) Anthony A. Smith, Chairman of the Board of the George and Carol Olmsted Foundation, president of the French-American Foundation from 2001 to 2005, now Senior Advisor .. active with Foundation beginning with Young Leaders Program 1981-1984 [Bill and Hillary Clinton] .. to Foundation from Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) .. Executive Vice-President and Chief Operating Officer from 1995 to 2000. Prior to CSIS, France and United States vice president Otis Elevator Company .. [European Commission handed out biggest fines in its history to cartel .. found .. from at least 1995 and 2004 .. illegally allocated work, exchanged confidential information, rigged bids, fixed prices .. directors illegal practices .. raids confiscation of documents .. fines against .. Otis total € 225 million .. collapse of two towers [on 9/11] did not destroy massive Otis 339HT [elevator] machines .. Some found intact in wreckage, still bolted to specially reinforced beams that held them. Investigators at first mistook them for jet engines] .. career in U.S. Army .. rank of brigadier general .. ten years in Europe .. Executive to Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, in Belgium, and principal military officer for European and NATO Policy in Office of Secretary of Defense .. Government of France [made him] Officer of National Order of Merit .. November 2005 Chevalier of Légion d'Honneur. West Point graduate .. degrees Institut d'Etudes Politiques in Paris and Ph.D. in International Relations at American University ... OFCOT program funded by George and Carol Olmsted Foundation to educate future career military officers who exhibit extraordinary potential in becoming country's future military leaders .. combination briefings, visits to foreign military academies, educational tours, working in American Embassies .. study visit Africa, Europe, Asia, and Central and South America .. language and cultural immersion experiences around globe"
    http://www.frenchamerican.org/cgi-bin/bios2.cgi?f=ShowDetail&dbid=85
    http://www.rotc.usaac.army.mil/training/current_ops_div/ofcot%20overview.htm


It is alleged that Anthony Smith, ex-president of French American
Foundation, conspired with others to load Otis Elevators with solid-
propellant rocket fuel used to demolish WTC towers on 9/11:

  • Corporate affiliates of the French American Foundation (UN Oil-for-Food bankers and Saddam Hussein's preferred weapons suppliers shown in blue), "Clarence Westbury Foundation, EADS France, [AXA-]BNP Paribas, Caisse des Dépôts, MBDA France, Sodexho Alliance, Sterling Executive Search SARL, Thales Raytheon Systems Ltd, Accor, AFFINE, AFG Association française de gestion financière, Banque Transatlantique, Carlson Wagonlit Travel, Debevoise & Plimpton, LLP., Fimalac Fondation Nationale des Sciences Politques, GEM, Havas, IFRI, JP Morgan France, Lafarge, Lagardère, Laser, Morgan Stanley & Co International Ltd, Publicis Consultants, Rothschild & Co, Suez" http://www.french-american.org/srt/extra/flb/show?location.id:=1385


That's why naive and relatively honest American military leaders
bombed the shit out of Hussein's Iraq; they thought they had
their man but it was all false intel. The rocket propellant was being
pulled out of Iraq by this French network and the transhipment was
made to New York. (Note: go to the url hot link for 'rocket propellant'
and make sure you read the ingredient list.)

So in our analysis by first going for open source intel, i.e., news
reports and broadcasts, we find out who the owner's of Otis
Elevators are which is a company called United Technologies
Corporation. Once this information has been confirmed, you
then do a search for a Board of Directors which comes up with
the names of these people below. Then you begin looking for
anomalies
; and there are two indicated in red.

Americans are asleep at the wheel; United Technologies
Corporation is a military contractor and one of their units is
Otis Elevators and on the board of Directors for United Technologies
Corporation sat a commissioner of the 9/11 Commission and a USAF
General with direct ties to this military contractor?!

    Board of Directors for United Technologies Corporation:

    Louis Chênevert
    President and Chief Operating Officer

    George David
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

    John V. Faraci
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
    International Paper

    Jean-Pierre Garnier, Ph.D.
    Chief Executive Officer,
    GlaxoSmithKline plc

    Jamie S. Gorelick [failed and incompetent 9/11 Commissioner]
    Partner,
    WilmerHale

    Charles R. Lee
    Retired Chairman and Co-CEO,
    Verizon Communications

    Richard D. McCormick
    Retired Chairman,
    President and Chief Executive Officer,
    US West Inc.

    Harold McGraw III
    Chairman, President and
    Chief Executive Officer,
    The McGraw-Hill Companies

    Richard Myers
    Retired Chairman,
    Joint Chiefs of Staff [acting and incompetent through 9/11]

    Frank P. Popoff
    Retired Chairman and
    Chief Executive Officer,
    The Dow Chemical Co.

    H. Patrick Swygert
    President,
    Howard University

    André Villeneuve
    Chairman,
    Euronext.LIFFE

    Harold A. Wagner
    Retired Chairman,
    Air Products and Chemicals Inc.

    Christine Todd Whitman
    President,
    The Whitman Strategy Group


Now the question is: What the hell did they load into those elevators?

Mean while, all the get da Jooooz crowd are all hysterically screaming
at the top of their lungs: "Israel did 9/11?!"

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Re: 2012

Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Fri 26 Nov 2010, 11:23

Yes, I have been reading about this 911 information from you for quite some time.

Rocket fuel in elevators?
Another thing to consider.

Watch the video series I posted from the Russian and then tell me what you think?

Particularly the 5.5 Richter scale tremor (caught on film and with eyewitness testimony) that occurs just twelve seconds before the collapse which is exactly how much time an underground nuke detonation would have taken to bring down the towers...into a plume of dust.

And would solid rocket fuel leave pools of molten metal in the basement for several weeks and turned metal beams into dust?
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Re: 2012

Post  Sputnik on Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:12

I am not much of a "LaRouche fan", but he is one of the best political analyzers out there.
Very truthful and very spot-on research....



...interesting statements huh,

especially when considering the situation in Ireland now.

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Re: 2012

Post  Sputnik on Mon 29 Nov 2010, 03:46

Bobdog wrote:Lada - I don't know exactly where LaRouche stands politically but I'm for anyone shaking their fists at tyranny in all its forms across the globe. I posted that same video about four posts above your post on the number 11. Thanks for that, by the way. Fascinating stuff.

Well let me be simple, I DON'T TRUST POLITICIANS. He makes a good historian though.

Bobdog wrote:Incidentally, it's the number 11 that got me started on this whole quest to wake up from the Great American stupor.

You started this thread with a interview transcript of Rik Clay ( it got pulled confused )

Here is another of his other associative discoveries:

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Re: 2012

Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 07 Dec 2010, 17:45

Bobdog, i beleive that man requires serious psychological study.....Here is my opionion, and i only had to go a couple mins in to hit a barrier

Yes , i can understand some people may wish to interpret the 2012 logo as zion, to me that means zilch, but ive heard many people being moved by this

But first sticky point is this, he takes 4 images of the same picture and revolves each progressive image by 90 degrees and then merges them together and starts his mental theory

WTF has taking 4 images and revolving them by 90 degrees then merging them together got to do with any person viewing the one original image

That is my question to him or anyone
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Post  Sputnik on Tue 07 Dec 2010, 20:09

But first sticky point is this, he takes 4 images of the same picture and revolves each progressive image by 90 degrees and then merges them together and starts his mental theory

Standard procedure in the Art of Mirroring after William Blake,
i.e. Rosecrucian techniques.
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Re: 2012

Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 07 Dec 2010, 22:04

For me, nothing is "out of the question."
I agree with u asking questions about everything that attracts your attention bobdog, that is just my personal problem with that guys video


Standard procedure in the Art of Mirroring after William Blake,
i.e. Rosecrucian techniques.

Please feel free to demonstrate how my question gets answered with standard procedure in blakes art of mirroring or even rose techniques , im looking forward to learning anything here that i may have missed


Here is my question in its specificness
WTF has taking 4 images and revolving them by 90 degrees then merging them together got to do with any person viewing the one original image
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Re: 2012

Post  Sputnik on Wed 08 Dec 2010, 00:55

Lada - I don't know anything about William Blake's art of mirroring. I'll have to check that out. Is it anything like Dan Brown's sencond movie (book) where the word "Illuminati" can be read right to left, whether you turn it right side up or upside down? Also, I think William Blake is (was) a secret society member.

I never read anything from Dan Brown so I don't know if it is similar. Blake mainly observed the sun and then mirrored the obtained images...they use mirroring in their architecture and they encript a lot of things with it. For them it's a form of "contacting"
or communicating with certain entities in the other dimensions.
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Re: 2012

Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Mon 14 Feb 2011, 21:51

Nibiru??? Sitchin died in October last year.

Largest planet in the solar system could be about to be discovered - and it's up to four times the size of Jupiter

Scientists believe they may have found a new planet in the far reaches of the solar system, up to four times the mass of Jupiter.

Its orbit would be thousands of times further from the Sun than the Earth's - which could explain why it has so far remained undiscovered.

Data which could prove the existence of Tyche, a gas giant in the outer Oort Cloud, is set to be released later this year - although some believe proof has already been garnered by Nasa with its pace telescope, Wise, and is waiting to be pored over.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1356748/Search-Tyche-believed-largest-planet-solar-system.html#ixzz1DyNx2W5B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28Babylonian_astronomy%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_%28Sitchin%29#Planets_proposed_by_Zecharia_Sitchin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision
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Re: 2012

Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 00:58

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Re: 2012

Post  Sputnik on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 15:32

Interesting dates: 17th of August & 28th of October 2011

no it's not the end me thinks...

My aztec and mayan friends told me this YEAR is the time of freaky MADNESS....

no matter what happens at the end of THIS year (as the Mayan's knew the exact age of OUR universe....what does it actually matter? AND it is this cycle that ends, not the 2012!!!)

Things are moving (pantha reis) , but at the same time things remain...if in the spiritual realm .. unchanged...

this is the difference between knowledge and widsom..

knowledge can be power(ful) if one knows how to manipulate it...

but wisdom is POWER in itself. no manipulation possible! this is the difference between the spirit (eternity) and the knowledgable flesh of the current NOW, no fear my friends Very Happy
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Thu 07 Jul 2011, 22:19

And here we have the self proclaimed master talking about the influences of the "Cusp" astrologically and psychologically and materialistically speaking regarding 2012

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