Faith/Hope

This is a heavy one. I have been pondering the very subjects of faith and hope lately, not out of my own desires, just feedback from what you people here have to say.

Is it possible to have faith and hope in a seemingly chaotic universe such as this one? Is it possible for thoughts or prayers to effect people and circumstances from a distance?

On a personal opinion, it would seem to me that the answer could be yes, though I have no idea how. At the same time, my pessimism says no way.

I remember years after being baptized no less than twice a "pastor" (in my early twenties) told me "hope and faith: are the substances of all things wished for". I didn't know how to respond. How could I.

On the individual level faith and hope don't seem to do much for one, unless they can apply intent and all that to make their dreams come true. But if the faith and hope is for an easier thing to accomplish like healing then yes that is done everyday.

I realized in the lenon honor video prayer and worship were actual forces that give away ones energy. I always wondered why I got a high (classical music makes me feel good, sound sure does affect)when I went to church and all those people were praying madly and that's obviously the reason. If it could effect me just by doing that you would think that of others and why not long distance. I hear of all those miracle distant healings, but alot of that has to do with the person themselves believing they will be healed, they are the catalyst. And the person thinks it was the thoughts and prayers of others doing it. I think the power is in the person, although their is much more power outside and other things that can influence them.

Were you talking about telekinesis when you say thoughts can effect others?

I wasn't baptized so guess where I get to go! Well I'm already in a dense realm, so how to deal with it, the chaos? Pretend I live in la la land, just kidding!

I had a very sore 1st 2nd and probably 4th chakra for most of my life. I never really thought about it in terms of my chakras are sore just, just kindof well these things in my life are not good and i seem to feel bad or sick in these certain areas. usually in that lower heart area over the stomach that heartache feeling, but it wouldnt be over love usually but just where id feel all my stress and keep all my negative feelings about myself when somebody made an attack or underhanded compliment. i realized that due to my pseudo orphan background, that i was easy prey for people to attack me on my self worth because i didnt know who i was or if the person i was really worth breathing the same air as everybody else. but i soon realized that my infant life wasnt just the problem i actually had the bad luck of growing up with several corporate, hedonistinic tony blair level sociopaths in my immediate family, 2 siblings and a wife of my other sibling. i didnt really need that, and for some reason too in my school setting there seemed to be a high ratio of talented people, a lot of really funny, athletic, and smart people. thats just bad luck too i couldve benefited from a more average docile demographic in school too. but people in general and especially talented people, can really fuck you with if youre not careful. on top of this my mom and dad were just the opposite and probably the best quintessintial parents you could ask for. my mom was especially ignorant and fairytale so i didnt really have anywhere to get any experience or knowledge or insight on what the world might actually be like. i had to actually live it, die in it, and then grow out of it to realize the rest of the world is pretty simple and not at all as dangerous as my placement area growing up and that i really didnt have to feel the way i did in the past anymore, i was able to decontruct about 80% of the negative memes just by rationalizing, and then the rest i was like well these are real drawbacks, nobody is perfect. and ive just decided i will fix them in time and i dont feel bad because the standard that i have to apply to make these things a problem is a ridiculous standard.


that said the world is a very evil place on the macro, but my micro world was just way out of the norm, and what i mean by i grew up to see the world wasnt so bad was that all the other micro worlds arent so bad. i can also choose my micro world and tailor it to exactly what i want it to be because i can choose exactly who i talk to and how often, so the micro world is always where you should have salvation once youre old enough to leave a toxic micro world

High Noon - I always like to read your little analytical insights of your own being, they are very revealing of certain aspects of your private psyche interfacing with society and flashback from earlier times and your own advancing understanding of your own self

I see this form of self analysis as extremely important , appreciate these revealings and reveal at will because these little insights , concepts and correlations are a sort of magic medicine of the spirit that will transfer to others who might recognise similar parts in the psychological equation

ITs never a case of just confessing for confessions sake, its a matter of laying out some patterns of behaviour or conditioning , where the self meets society or other selfs , with the recognition of certain trends or effects , then once the personal equation is identified, pointing out that it is recognised and then looking to solve it or add the solution in stages while it is under conscious observation thus removing or diminishing its negative potency on the self

I do similar , but often my ego might stop me from publicising it or other reasons to do with the future to come


Note - when i said aquiring above chakra post i meant satiating

Yeah.

Im happy i could save myself a lot of people cant. in one of my classes theres this girl who has kindof a victim mentality, a lot of her stories are based around why this or that sucks. and nobody really shares her enthusiasm for why all these things suck, but shes convinced herself of it all and likes to tell everyone. she also is one of those people who loves to share her answers with the class, or to clarify a point that didnt need clarification like any normal person would be like that question you just asked is 99% the same as what the teacher just said but you just had to ask anyway just to be sure and to show everybody that you can catch little things that MAY actually be a big deal and be wrong, but you knew that it probably wouldnt matter and even if it did matter why not just use the answer that the teacher is giving why have your own unique answer and then ask for approval if you can use it especially when its 99% the same and is redundant?

so anyways, she tells this story of how an old man ran over her boyfriend in a cart and her boyfriend pushed the man half off his cart when they were both trying to get into the apartment where they both lived. shes like, the cops came and said the push was consensual so they just left and nothing was done about it. and i tried to explain that its not consensual but the cops did everyone a favor and just said that as an excuse not to charge your husband. but she thought that i meant i was thinking her husband was wrong for what he did, i actually agreed with his actions mostly and was like yeah the old man crashed into him, and he got angry. but what im saying is technically its not consensual or whatever cause it wasnt self defense, her husbands a bouncer for one and old men in carts as much as that mightve hurt, are not a threat so you dont have to get aggressive. but nope, she had to get bi polar and get self righteous because probably i dunno i wasnt just going to take her side. she also couldnt understand that when i said the cops did her husband a favor by labelling his actions as consensual that that HAD to mean her husband was actually deserving of some kindof punishment but he got off easy. its not even about that you have to look at things from a cops perspective, they dont know what happened or didnt happen, or who did what first, who is leaving things out, or who is making things up. so its consensual the cops cant take a side or even do anybody a favor if they cant determine who is actually right or wrong or how much.

when i see this happen i just wish i had said nothing to her on the break because the only way i got her happy was by telling her of a story where i got off the hook easy, was handcuffed and couldve been charged but wasnt. i had to tell her a story that made me look like a real criminal as to make her and her husband seem better and more civilized compared to me. and it was such a bad story where i was obviously wrong, she ended up liking to have heard it so much, made her feel so much better that i am in no position to talk down to her and am actually similiar to her husband and can lose my cool too and have been there done that, that she bought me french fries at the cafeteria (even though i was never talking down to her but had to give the story about myself to stop her from believing i was in a position to be criticizing her husband)


the truth seems to be a weapon, but shouldnt it be... shouldnt people have the strength to just sit there like you do when you goto the dentist and they fix some cavities? just be able to lay somewhere and go under the knife of the truth and let it do its work? i go through above types of scenarios on a weekly basis with people and my strategy is always to concede and make sure the mood is preserved because when I try but see that i am failing and the truth isnt going to achieve any place of importance, than i need to stop sticking my neck out for the truth, and let it get the chopping block and preserve myself instead.

its a bit hypocritical because i am forcing my opinion onto her like she is doing to the class, but i am not doing it for exactly the same reasons or even the same reasons at all. shes doing it for validation, am i? maybe. but i dont NEED it. im also doing it cause its a favor, but maybe people dont need to see it from my view. maybe if they just believe the actions were consensual and leave it at that, that that is enough. even if she did take my view or understand it without getting defensive, she would have to see how i arrived at that conclusion otherwise i havnt really done her a favor if she cant come to similiar conclusions in similiar situations on her own.

whats the point of teaching a dog to say "I am in new york" if it cant understand what its saying. just so the dog teacher can say that he can teach dogs? i dont need to be a teacher just to say that ive taught.

I see exactly your point on the consensual, but there are people who dont , the way i see it, is that consensual should be spelt Consentual, but the english language is mince

An opinion has more chance of being understood when there is empathy between the 2 people which is a term that covers much more ground than its given credence for

But if someone misinterprets what one means, then again, its normal to try and make them understand in a civilised manner, although you can never account for how another person perceives , is it your opinion they are perceiving or the you thats giving your opinion they perceive and miss the actual opinions contents (layers and layers going on in conditioned emotional and intellectual perceivings ) , sometimes just by explaining your opinion again can be seen as hostile, the content of the opinion does not matter, they have already judged your intention from conditoned prejudice

Yeah the truth and its revealing is an interesting conundrum, it surely has to be relative ive always thought especially where self-preservation comes in to play but some would disagree and take the dentists chair

very interesting... religious, but he gets very deep into jesuits, occult & symbolism. worth the watch,,,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4551783413399670296&hl=en#

Hey thanks for the video

Remember back in the 80"s when the "Get Wealthy By Thinking Yourself Wealthy" fad was going on?

I remember one of my aunts posting fancy house pictures on her refrigerator and the deal was, all you had to do was to THINK of whatever you wanted, visualize it in your mind as if you already had it and BELIEVE it would just COME TO YOU... your like DRAWING IT OUT OF THE UNIVERSE...

Well, Jesus sure didn't get it for her and it just didn't appear in her life because she BELIEVED...

You actually have to get off your ass and make it happen...

Faith and Hope mean nothing if you can't get off your ass and make it happen. You are your own SAVIOR.

the apes still have it at least.........
http://www.pawnation.com/2010/05/24/sweet-reunion-between-a-man-and-the-gorilla-he-raised-as-a-baby/?icid=main

Flames wrote:

I remember years after being baptized .....

On the subject of baptism, definetly an interesting ritual, something ties in to activating the subject occultly with the waters of consciousness in the physical realm , so now it has its psyche subliminally directed , like you give a dog a smell to go and chase after to the detriment of other phenomena in its vicinity

Giving the psychic larval insectile parasite embedded on each human aura a drink of light to start its growth until confirmation.

confirmation.

Interesting you chose that word. Confirmation, happens to be another Catholic ritual.



Never liked touchy, feely people.

Confirmation is in all Roman Catholic churches, a rite of initiation normally by laying on of hands and/or anointing for the purpose of bestowing the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. In some denominations, confirmation bestows full membership in the church upon the recipient. In others, such as the Roman Catholic Church, confirmation "renders the bond with the Church more perfect"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation

This is literally ritual indoctrination, like joining a gang. But that gang is a cult of kid fuckers.

A Dream Within A Dream - by Edgar Allen Poe

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow-
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep- while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?

The poem in the first stanza is as he is speaking to a loved one. Who he is leaving or maybe she passed. He is confessing that she was right about his life being like a dream. He is speaking of whether we have hope or lost it at some point in life; night or day, does this mean that it is really gone; Is it there less gone? Or is this life really just a dream with in a dream. Something we have created in our own minds.

The second stanza he is realating life to the roar of surf tormented shore. The grains of golden sand, may be the memories of life; How few! yet how they crep through my fingers to the deep, while I weep- while I weep. They memories slip away as we age so fast and we can do nothing to stop them from slipping away in to the deepest parts of our mind. O God! can I not grasp them with a tighter clasp? Can I not save one from the pitiless wave? No matter how hard we try to remember those moments in our life, or dream, they seem to slip away from us like as if dust in the wind. Is everything what it seems or is it just our own minds creation of what we wish it to be? A dream within a dream?