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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 03 Jul 2010, 12:49

by personal opinion off course

One of Rohmers superb meditative exposes of being

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Fri 30 Jul 2010, 23:09

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Re: Cinematic Masterpieces

Post  highnoon on Sat 31 Jul 2010, 03:42

part 5 of the snowgoose is corrupted halfway and it wont play for me on youtube.

ill have to see the ending another time. but i read wiki on what happens


from wiki
Gallico made no apologies, saying that in the contest between sentiment and 'slime,' "sentiment remains so far out in front, as it always has and always will among ordinary humans that the calamity-howlers and porn merchants have to increase the decibels of their lamentations, the hideousness of their violence and the mountainous piles of their filth to keep in the race at all.

well making it commercially unavailable doesnt help keeping it out front. when did he die. does he know what the internet holds? What a Face
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:56

It says he died in 1976, so well before the internet , but maybe he had been viewing some of those early blue movies and there was plenty of violent films out by then as well

Part 5 played fine when i watched it , actually i found the ending was sub-standard , could have been vastly improved , i thought

The reason i thought this was an interesting piece was that there is an old rarely used german term "SeelSorge" which translates as "The care of souls" and this character in this piece exhibits this aspect of humanity completly treating animals birds and humans as "Souls" and being "influenced" by a very powerful force which is articulated in your post above namely "sentiment"

The Condition of Sentiment has various meanings in our modern dictionarys but as always, these meanings fall very short of the actual condition that the word pertains to illuminate

For example , Sentiment = an expression of response to deep feeling, esp in art or literature

Its possible that this condition of sentimental evolves from 3 areas of consciousness
The first one is that of a personal reality experience in that a person can become sentimental by recapturing a past experience
The second one is that of a past mindstate in that a person can become sentimental by recapturing a significant mind state they had at an earlier age which can relate to many things about them or others they were attached to at that time
The third one is the more interesting one for me in that it presents the possibility that a person can become sentimental from something beyond their current existence, from ancestral memory , which is stimulated by a presently occuring situation that invokes in them a feeling of deja-vu

There is a lot more to go into on this track but i am out of time here now, but i believe the character in that film was manifesting through ancestral memory , the expression of the SeelSorge , stimulated by sentiment, but he was not tuned in perfectly as to sacrifice ones own life in the saving of others is a step to far in my book, at least from my present intellectual perception of such, but then again , the raising of powerful feeling can indeed for sure confound ones intellectual senses
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Re: Cinematic Masterpieces

Post  seraphim on Sun 01 Aug 2010, 09:56


It made my heart sad :crying:
What beautiful people in Snowgoose.

Don't know either about it getting altruistic? and he goes off to war.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 02 Aug 2010, 10:08

Guess the writer , in his time of writing , from his conditioned psychology , thought that was a most noble climax , he also had the character desperate to join up for the cause , but without questioning the cause , thus in these scenarios does he illustrate his own blinkers of the times, or maybe even loyaltys

I probably did the writer a favour by projecting a lot more meaning onto it than he consciously constructed , but thats the magic of feelings, if you write or create from feeling, it often retains meanings that will be revealed in future times. I think this writer constructed the piece using about 50% intelect which gave his structure and 50% feeling which gives the ambiguity revolving around the condition of sentiment

Good point about the altruistic elements and/or even a touch of the blind patriot .. ref the attempted enrolment scenes, where these traits of sentiment and altruism can be utilised by a higher hidden force to do its bidding while the subject feels its doing "Good"

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sun 08 Aug 2010, 11:50

Definetly one of the most superbly crafted movies i have ever seen is Eyes Wide Shut , a psychological masterpiece for me, like some other Kubrick classics. And this underated scene explores very provocative personal areas that hide behind societys male/female dynamics .......Actually this clip is cut short before the most cutting disclosure in the scene , such is life on youtube clips , but anyone seeing the film will see it
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Re: Cinematic Masterpieces

Post  highnoon on Mon 09 Aug 2010, 06:47

which one of them or did they both sleep with another in the film? whose guilty? guess i gotta see it.

random female mindgame
in game theory also women will befriend losers and bring them out in public places because it makes it harder for other guys to hit on them when they're with said guy if they want to stay single. and the guy friend is made to believe that he is important or has an opportunity to be with her, but he is only brought along for his ability to ward off her being approached by strangers. if she is alone she might get hit on several times. asians do this the most often because in asian social groups there are numerous beta males, IT/office type friends that are part of the group that can be selected or called out if she wants to lets say goto the mall. these types of guys are too dimwitted to spot that hes being used.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 09 Aug 2010, 14:50

Very true on using certain males for "fillers" seen it happen , i guess some of the males are happy to be with them in any guise

In that scene with cruise and whatshername, it cuts off just at the point where she is about to reveal her atombomb revelation to cruise
Cruises character believes without question that he is in a safe and secure and happy marriage , the perfect relationship . And in a sense , from a surface observation of such, he is and so is she , but then there is to be considered what form of "restless subliminal Dialogue" is running in any of the characters ?
And it turns out that cruise does not have a restless dialogue at this moment, but kidman does and this comes to a boil and forces out her confession to cruise from a deep frustration which is caused when the private world of her thoughts are in deep conflict with the her public world of actions

Each character has been completely truthful to each other as far as they believed they could have been and this is the critical point of the scene which is something i have investigated in my own existence relentlessly

Truth is not an absolute , there are varying definitions of what it is too be truthful
Does one reveal all ones actions to another intimate one ?
Does one reveal all ones thoughts to another intimate one ?

The kidman character reveals to the cruise dude that one night when they were staying in a hotel and seemingly had everything going for them in the lifestyle happiness and contentment stakes with children , that as she was sitting in the hotel , a man arrived to check in , whom completely blew her away in her erotic centre such that she was willing to drop everything to go with him if he had just asked Very Happy ...just like that

I cant recall the exact words of the confession but the dialogue is so well constructed ...the cruise character then on hearing this confession has had his own world of perfection blown away, because he beleived at the subconscious level because of his societal conditioning , that the kidman character was completely dependent on him because he was an important doctor who knew important people who had lots of money etc and he had produced a child and was competent in bed with her . In his mind , she was totally devoted to him without question .
The fact that she had had such a powerful fantasy about another man that she was wiilling to give him and all his stuff up just like that , was an equation that had never entered cruises mind because his psychology was layered out on long-time investment and gain , sustained effort = higher aquasition of quality , he could not conceive of such an impostor lustful longing thought being possible from almost nowhere , a thought that seemed to have a power that dwarfed all his gains

And so from that scene i came to this realisation about truth and its revelation ...............where does revelation of truth have its boundarys, in thoughts or only in actions , who can say for sure ....so
IT REQUIRES AS MUCH CAUTION TO TELL THE TRUTH AS TO CONCEAL THE TRUTH
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Post  highnoon on Tue 10 Aug 2010, 00:47

so she was kindof hoping cruise would reveal some kindof adultery to make herself feel better. she didnt want him to have a moral high ground. i see.

she recognized his position to still be a playboy and possibly tried to put herself in the male shoes of a married playboy. would i if i was male and you, sleep with hotties on the side because i can? and her answer to herself must have been yes. because her answer for being him was yes, she figured his answer for being him would also be yes. and that pressumption allowed her the justification to cheat on him. because she had confidence in her own guesswork.

if i was her i might resent my husband too. can lead a perfect life and also have a side life that nobody has to know about...he can take off his ring when nobody is looking and always be the bachelor.
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Post  seraphim on Wed 11 Aug 2010, 03:39

Voila Kapis!

How can a person be free if they are not free inside........

The kidman character reveals to the cruise dude that one night when they were staying in a hotel and seemingly had everything going for them in the lifestyle happiness and contentment stakes with children , that as she was sitting in the hotel , a man arrived to check in , whom completely blew her away in her erotic centre such that she was willing to drop everything to go with him if he had just asked Very Happy ...just like that
Those gurus know all the tricks!
IT REQUIRES AS MUCH CAUTION TO TELL THE TRUTH AS TO CONCEAL THE TRUTH
In a world of deceit and illusions, unfortunately.

Highnoon, be very careful with those industrialized Asian gals playing mindgames alright.

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 11 Aug 2010, 23:11

Thats the exact part that was missing thx , i also had a feeling that there is maybe a later scene in the film where kidman relays to cruise a dream she had about the naval officer but i will need to watch it again sometime to confirm anything in that
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Re: Cinematic Masterpieces

Post  seraphim on Thu 12 Aug 2010, 09:38

No problem Smile
Highnoon on the male/female situation.....
What you believe about someone or something may have no basis in reality, but if you believe it long enough, one thing is certain: it will blind you to whatever truth lies beyond the veil of your false beliefs. But no matter. Easier to believe than to do the work required to know.

Your thoughts become your reality so in that case I would never put out negative attitudes towards males, (even if some are messed up, those gals too, those dressed like you know what, mean business and you better believe they expect some goods in return.) because that is who I will attract in my life and it would completely derange my thoughts and I would go backward and in the same situation as those messed up males.

And it goes further.......It's not just the "bad" stuff, it's also the expectations put onto humans by the paradigm that has so messed them up. We're all supposed to look like Hollywood movie stars, so women starve themselves half to death, wear clothes that make them look like hookers, and surgically carve their bodies into all sorts of bizarre manifestations because societies manipulators tells them they are worthless otherwise. If you're over 30, you're "over the hill"... the programs they are endless.

The men live in a constant state of feeling inadequate because they aren't getting enough pussy to qualify as an "alpha male", and they don't look like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, so they end up feeling resentful toward the women who won't give them a second look... and ALL of this is not because of nature, but because we have been PROGRAMMED to think that only a narrow range of attributes is considered "desirable", while the rest of humanity is dismissed as ugly, lazy, slothful, and so on. That's simply NOT our nature. We are just human beings with a wide range of physical, mental and spiritual attributes - but because people have been programmed for them to think they MUST be a certain way in order to be "acceptable", most spend their lives in a state of fear and misery believing they are not good enough.
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Post  highnoon on Sun 15 Aug 2010, 00:31

i think ive been the happiest when ive surrendered my expectations. i occasionally look up colleges and things and i read how a course i wanted to someday take took 24 people out of 200 something applicants. and theres almost no way i would ever make the top 8%. all the volunteer experience. people being selected for interpersonal skills, which i dont have. im stuck at my just shy of 2k right now salary. and its like, what am i supposed to do with that. eat and burp and scratch myself like a moron. laugh at seinfeld. read the paper, sip folgers. none of the stuff that i see people older than me do is what i want. i dont really see anybody somewhere in the middle of anything when i look at somebodies face i either see happiness or despair. i dont really find people who look like they've had a bit of both. because i think each fate tends to make more of each so you have haves and have nots. you either can DO something or can get something, or you cant. theres no well sometimes i am handsome, or sometimes i have skills. but the human lifespan actually isnt short at all, if youre not happy. its long and if you cant save money then whats the point of working? cause youre afraid to die? you cant outrun death forvever, so in my darkest moments i think i just want to stop running from the black tunnel, and just turn around and face it. and if im swallowed then its for the better. and ive brought myself close to the end a few times. but something pulled me back each time. it was usually a sudden bout of extreme anger and jealousy, and it was enough to change my course a few times. but when im back on that right track, i dont see that theres any change possible and im not happy with the potentials. ive been sold once on the car thing when i got my new car. except it did nothing to change my life. i literally did not receive anything for getting it. well i got the car. but i got nothing for getting it. its just a car a lot of people have cars. nobody knows if i have the car and if i didnt nobody would know i didnt drive it. so why did i work so hard for it? and its getting old too. already 36k on it in two years. which isnt that bad but if its got 3 more years on it ill have to start saving for a new one...a better one? but why? if this one didnt do anything, why would i be getting a better one? was that the problem that this car wasnt good enough? what if i get a better one an still i dont receieve anything.

all these things are just nest building intruments anyway. car, physical self, your mind. where you live. what you do as hobbies. are just things to build character so that you can reproduce. but whats the point in getting a few of these in a strange order of getting them if its not contributing to anything bigger than yourself like a family and children? i dont even know what a family is supposd to feel like i never had one, but somewhere i want one. i want something that i can even figure out what it feels like. but i know other people have it.



yeah.. all these options to upgrade. but none of them really mean much. none mean as much as actually positioning yourself to receive wealth with minimal effort. you cant work your ass off 10 hours 6 days a week for your entire life to mimic a person with higher pay. these games arent for me. but i wont lie i atually think the conspiracy scene has been a bad influence to some of the choices ive made because its made my outlook on life negative. like oh why do this when the world economy is crashing...maybe it is. but why live like it is like you know for sure when we know nothing. thats been kinda stupid as well. feeling like school might be a waste of time because the governments are broke and the police and teachers are all getting fired they just dont know it yet. its not true.

im not buying into it anymore and im happier.

happier thinking less and living more. i dive right back into the video games ive always loved. i just care about the patch updates and what they're adding next and what balances are being implemented. and im happier. because i make the world just THAT. and since i enjoy it. making my world something i enjoy just makes sense than to be baited to work thousands of hours to mortage hundreds of thousands of dollars of things. yeah its pathetic but the elite have made it pathetic. i didnt make anything in this world, im not responsible for its design and what millions of other geek people chose to do. some call it coping out of life, or being an underachierver but its really not that at all. if you want to be an achiever but cant, but yet want it really bad. the displacement can really hurt you. i took it harder than most do. thats probably cause others feel like they're doing it or making it happen. i know its not happening. but i know if i stick to doing what i like, despite what others think of me. im happier.

like some girls will actually disrespect a guy for who they are. like i dont date guys with jobs like that one girl i liked said to me. but she didnt say it to me quite like a complete diss. but kindof like she was pleading with me to be better so girls like her would like me more, for my own sake, but maybe for her sake too cause she was let down so badly....but i just couldnt get onto her wavelenght. like ALRIGHT enough with this, what tasks are right now still set before me, what must i do? No..... well i DID feel that way, but she didnt revive me into positive change like she probably thought she was doing. it just ended up being a slederhammer to my face that sent me ass over tea kettle.

I dont think i can be revived into playing this game another time, unless there was a path that looked doable. until that time comes, im just going to stay at peace and be at peace and be happy doing what i like to do.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 15 Aug 2010, 09:32

I have found many women to be strange creatures.

I used to fish a lot. And whenever I brought a woman along, who seemed enthusiastic to participate and not at my own invitation, things always went south.

Experience taught me that if she didn't have her own fishpoles and gear then she wasn't worth considering to bring along.

And in many instances this is how it was.

What do you like to do with your time Fräulein?
I don't know about you but I like to, for example, scuba dive.

Oh, I just love scuba diving she would reply.
Really, you have dived before?
Yes, many times...at this location, here, here, here and...here.
Wow, this is great.
What type of equipment do you have?
I don't have any equipment.
Then how could you dive all those places and still actively dive now...rent?
No...a guy I knew, or an ex-boyfriend used to take me.

And there you go. The usual dynamic.
Like this total absence of a self. Some women are so bad they are just fuck toys that you have to talk to from time to time and feed. In exchange for a place to live and a charge card. It can really be that bad of a scenario for some. Fortunately my standards for women, and humans, allowed in my inner circle are so stringent...these types are kept at a healthy distance. Then you have the other end of the spectrum with the manipulating man-killer types. Jeez...and all these people do is complain and drown in discontentment.
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Post  highnoon on Mon 16 Aug 2010, 01:09

I cant blame women though. Everyone wants to enjoy life. If youre always offered things by other people. And they dont expect anything of you but your company. Then there is nothing wrong with that. Its a sweet deal. the problem is when you dont fit into the category that can just give somebody a "charge card" but the populace expects you to have a spare charge card to let other people use.

when i look over girls/women dating profiles. number 1 thing is usually a drive to succeed. but this is also another way of saying, an intense fear of failure.

an intense fear

girls want somebody with an intense fear?

I want a guy who is afraid like me of not being better than everybody else so we can live together and hide and possibly forget or dissolve our insecurities behind our gained and improved social status.

it doesnt even make sense if you word it like that. but its the flip side of saying "I want a person who has a strong desire to succeed no matter what. knows what he wants. and ends justifies the means type of guy"


But i also want a guy whose honest and wont hurt me, and satisfies this ego requirement from me of being a leader. but also recongizes that once he spends time with me and ive approved of his manhood. that he finds me to be special and will come forward right away if another girl interests him. and wont have an affair.

So you want a benevolent king? Somebody who possesses all the societal traits that i want. but also all the personal traits that i want.

but this is the sad truth

people with greedy societal traits often do not have compassionate understanding personal traits.

Is this so hard for girls to understand. and if they have to choose one, or the other. which do they choose. they pick the societal traits oriented person.

why?

because nobody has to know if shes being mistreated when she walks beside him on a night out on the town. however if she chooses a guy who has good personal traits. she cant neccessarily go out on the town with him. she cant have fun if she is to be happy. however if you just focus on having fun. then you can be happy.

these kinds of couples are probably happy, theres a lot to be happy about. but there isnt a lot of depth to their lives. they send their parents a postcard now and then. when theyre being quiet what are they thinking about. or is the silence just an interlude between constant activitiy.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 16 Aug 2010, 01:19

In my experiences , dont try and "understand" the dynamics of communications with a female in your real life using "reason" cause thats the red button that spells meltdown , if you push it too much
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Post  tgII on Mon 16 Aug 2010, 05:10

Qsc, here's what Willie sings about on this predicament between
men and women:

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Post  highnoon on Mon 16 Aug 2010, 18:13

im reasoning how i should think/feel about about it.

Dont worry guys im not a hater.

just expressing a facet of my authetic self. Or is it?

how do i figure out what my authentic self is........




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Post  KapitanScarlet on Mon 16 Aug 2010, 21:47

Wonder if Nelson was partial to a trot up the brokeback mountain Tg What a Face

Dont worry guys im not a hater.

Caught a film recently which some people call a modern masterpiece , i have not made up my mind yet where i rate it , as im still digesting it

Its called "THere will be bLood" with DAniel Day lewis about a ruthless early silver miner oil driller in the usa bout 100 years ago

His character is pure motovated by making money and is suspicious of all other people , in fact he has a cultivation of hate , here is a little dialogue from his character called "PLainview"

Plainview: I worked for Geological Survey and went to Kansas. I couldn't stay there, I just couldn't. I don't like to explain myself.
[Pause]
Plainview: Are you an angry man, Henry?
Henry Brands: About what?
Plainview: Are you envious? Do you get envious?
Henry Brands: I don't think so. No.
Plainview: I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. I hate most people.
Henry Brands: That part of me is gone... working and not succeeding- all my failures has left me... I just don't... care.
Plainview: Well if it's in me, it's in you. There are times when I look at people and I see nothing worth liking. I want to earn enough money I can get away from everyone.
Henry Brands: What will you do about your boy?
Plainview: [strained] I don't know. Maybe it'll change. Does your sound come back to you? I don't know. Maybe no one knows that. A doctor might not know that.
Henry Brands: Where's his mother?
Plainview: I don't want to talk about those things. I see the worst in people, Henry. I don't need to look past seeing them to get all I need. I've built up my hatreds over the years, little by little. Having you here gives me a second breath. I can't keep doing this on my own with these... people.

The general drift is that PLainview is a character that Labours for riches, and he does not like to talk about things unless they are to do with him establishing his fortune , and he will do anything to achieve that aim including extreme violence and murder

But there is also an interesting religious strand running through the plot , as a brief synopsis , plainviews work colleague is killed at the beginning and plainview adopts the son as his own
One day, a man appears at his office informing him that there is a lot of oil to be had in Little BOston, California, on his fathers land , and the man requires a downpayment for this information.
Plainview then pays the dude and goes to Little Boston with his adopted son posing as a loving family man going quail shooting and manages to fool the father by camping on the land under that giuse to do a secret survey then worms his way into the fathers trust
But there is another twin son of the initial oil informer , played by the same actor, but this character called Ely is a religious preacher fanatic and he senses that plainview is there for the oil only and tries to cut a hard deal , but plainview manages to get a easy deal of the father , and then buys up most of the surrounding land apart from one piece that he could not get at the time .
Then skipping a lot of other action various things happen including plainview beats the shit out of the preacher because he beleives that the preacher is a fake and not a miracle working spiritualist channeler of gOd as he claims to be

The preacher is claiming to operate from the 3rd Revelation

Later still, plainview now requires the piece of land he did not get earlier , to run pipelines through to access the ocean for oil export , and after the mundane task of murdering his colleague on this land, the owner now confronts plainview and says he will sell him the land.... but only if plainview attends the preachers church to cleanse himself of his sins

Plainview is only motivated by his own greed and aquasition and agrees to be initiated into the spiritualist church in public by the fake preacher he beat up earlier
At the day of his initiation , he is completly humiliated by the preachers public ritual of cleansing him of his sins , but he gets his land
At the end of the film, plainview is now a bit of a drunk living in a grand house with a butler, when the fake preacher comes to visit him and tries to barter with him for oil drilling rights to oil under the land that he had to be initiated to aquire , but unknown to the preacher , plainview is already sucking all the oil from that land by a process known as milkshaking , from the surrounding land that he already owns the oil rights for , but he does not immediately tell the fake preacher this, he then tells the fake preacher that if he is going to buy these oil rigts of the preacher, then the preacher has to publically denounce that god is a superstition and he is a fake or words to that end , the preacher , motivated by his own greed, agrees to do this .
Then plainvoew informs him that he already got that oil etc etc etc and beats his brain out with a bowling skittle, as he does this, plainview shouts at the preacher " im not a false prophet boy......I am the 3rd Revelation "
As he sits there beside the preachers bust open skull, his butler comes in and calls him , looking at the scene as if its an everyday occurence , plainview merely says " Im finished" and thats the end

So i had to do a quick check of this 3rd revelation business and it seems that the 1st revelation was moses getting gods word, the second revelation was jesus coming to earth , and the 3rd revelation was given to some dude in France around 1800s and is that the spirit of christ will manifest through all humans

So plainviews character seemed to presume in its mad violence it was channeling the 3rd revelation in breaking the skull open of a charlatan preacher , i suppose anyone can claim to be doing gods work , theres a big problem indeed in this world

But the authentic self, yes, what is it, how does one know one is expressing from it, or is it to be sculpted based on models of ideology , which has been dictated from some benevolent force

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Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 24 Aug 2010, 08:58

thx have not seen the old men one , looks interesting on review

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Post  tgII on Tue 24 Aug 2010, 09:13

Anyone see Nicolas Cage in National Treasure? Can you refer
me or tip me off on the scene where he is pointing out the
difference between a large case 'S' and lower case letters?
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