What is the difference between a friend and an enemy?

Unlike religions, which may suggest that the soul is a permanent fixture that cannot be harmed or damaged, shamans do believe that the soul can be wounded, injured, split, and fragmented in many ways. The soul can split off into different 'pieces.' The 'majority' of the soul stays with the person, so that they are able to function and live, though often not thrive. And the frightened, hurt, or damaged soul fragments tend to get driven into the otherworlds.

Elders teach us of what they have learned from their elders, who learned before them, and then from each adding their own experienced wisdom.

seraphim wrote:Okay, if I hurt your (or more like the foreign....) feelings in the past, because I tried to help you, excuse me, I won't try again. If you can be kind enough to see what's going on inside.

Oh my I think LaBritta got upset when naked on the moon posted "Did you not live in the Geschwister-Scholl Strasse once?"

I don't think mari wants people to know her personal business.
Just a big miscommunication, I emailed tatina and told her.

And I wanted to let you know that I've been talking to Queen of Night, she pmed me because she saw the things I posted about her.
Good news! She has woken up and has a few things up her sleeve. She won't be going back to the vamp den.
take care

This could also be the mtsar gang. Mtsar needs to get the dirt on mahalah, so his brothers pose here, saying they need all us gals emails and stories on this mahala/female crisis, afterall he records things and has his lawyers........

Chris White just put up this video on the Outlaws.

I feel he is very close to the truth behind TPTB.

If you can be kind enough to see what's going on inside.

Just wanted to let you know that the brothers are talking about me and Tatina on vamp and what's new or rant thread. At least when I talk about them it is somewhat true and not full of hate, they need to get over their egos and past.

I was taking some of my posts from NewCastle onto the Outlaws and happened to notice our conversation there on the Native thread under oracles. Wow, it really meant something to talk with you, I didn't realize it then. I didn't notice that I ended my session there with that great conversation we had. Well we left it with good energy.

Also, I found some quotes I saved from mtsar that I didn't know I had by accident, they are of mine and yours. You certainly distracted me, to the point that I had no idea what you were doing! Now that I read these posts, did you really see my Spirit.
Maybe it's not good to look back at things, you don't have to answer that one if you don't want.

The quotes are on the next email.

Uri Quote:
Ocelotl, you are not in the position to demand ANYTHING from me.

Ocelotl Answer: You demand it of everyone here, so I will mirror you, and demand it of you. I've never seen a person just blow there way onto a forum and ask so many questions and accusations..etc...I find you suspicious.


Uri Quote:
When I met you here in this Forum I recall you saying to be neutral and on nobodies side. That was not honest since I have read what Hermes had to say about this Forum and Michael Tsarion. You didn't have the jaguar-balls to speak your mind loud in here, you had to go over there to vent your ideas and disagreements

Ocelotl Answer: That's right I'm not, no real Jaguar would be on sides. Okay so what did I vent over there that bothered you so about Mtsar and a few of his members here. What did I say and curse and spew forth that was so hateful. I've never lyed or betrayed anyone, unlike you cursing me and posting my personal info on the internet.


Uri Quote:
And this is the difference between us and you. All I can hear is your complaints and acusations, all the injustice that either you have to endure or some other women you don't even know.

Ocelotl Answer: Me, complain and accuse, that is a projection from you. Name once where I've done that. So you don't want me to stand up for all those women being tortured and abused?

Edit: (ICEMAN)


Uri Quote:
The same goes for Vajra Dakini. When I met her in another Forum, all she had on her mind was putting me down. How come this great feminist put down one of her 'sisters'? Who was I to her and were was her solidarity towards me? Right, and that's the moment I call you and her on your own bullshitting, because you do bullshit yourself, but not me.

Ocelotl Answer: Again you are blaming others behavior and displace them onto me. I've never put you down. I thought you were friendly, but then you started to attack me, so how could I trust you or be solid with you. Why such judgement and harsh words, no one in life has ever called me a bullshiter.

Edit: I knew you would put me down and backstab me one day. It was a prediction my dear.

Uri Quote:
Yes, you was busy raping some of us here with your allegations of being idiots supporting evil injustice on women worldwide without any facts whatsoever.

Ocelotl Answer: What on earth are you talking about. When did I allege all those things. If you are talking about Q., that happened months ago and that was between him and I only. And it was just one question I asked of him ONLY.

Uri Quote:
At this moment of time I can trust you, because you are prone to repetition and habit. This says nothing about me liking or disliking you. You seem not to be able to really know if I do or not, but that doesn't say anything about me, rather about your insequrity and confusion in this matter

Ocelotl Answer: I did not come here to make friends and I think the herd mentality is absolutely hilarious. I don't care if you like me or not, no confusion or insecurity there. What you put out most likely will come back to you, a behavior you can see in people that is repetitious and habitual. Now do you see me curse you, no........., do you see me spew hate, like you did to me, no.........And no you do not see me repeat your cruel habitual behavorial patterns.

Uri Quote:
You have been avoiding to critize your own fruits, your own input, your own falsity, busy pointing out the things you sense wrong in others. Has it never accured to you that we humans always dislike in others that we ourselfs have issues with.

Ocelotl Answer: Yes, I've been saying that all along. I don't care to criticize or get involved, nor did I get involved in the Mtsar debacle. What did I point out that was wrong in others? Their is no right or wrong.

Uri Quote:
Yes, you can continue to play the judge calling others out. You can continue to see enemies and frauds and fight them for all eternity, but nothing will change for you, because this universe is constructed on dependency.

Ocelotl Answer: If you are telling me this, I tell you that you are your own worst enemy. And when you judge others you are really judging yourself and beating up yourself.

Uri Quote:
I CAN SEE THE BEAUTY IN EVERY PEOPLE

Ocelotl Answer: o what beauty do you see in me, Jaguar? And why are you investing so much energy and getting personal in this entire debacle?


Uri Quote:
have met you in the spirit and now it is upon yourself to answer all those questions you keep asking others

Ocelotl Answer: Really, so what was my essence. Avoiding questions, why don't you want to get to know me, be nice and share? I must have insulted you somehow, as you say I do to everyone, I don't think I did, refresh my memory. That's okay you don't have to answer my questions, I already know who you are.

edit: your essence is that of a broken bone.


Uri Quote:
I can assure you that you won't be the one destroying it with your dispise because you lack the skills to achieve such to begin with, but I am leaving that one to youto realise it, and to figure out how to be of real use to this world. To be just 'creatively' destructive wont get you memorized at all, unless you become like Nero and such, which is really up to you.

Ocelotl Answer: Of course that's not up to me, but for the one's who participate in the debacle will cause negativity and a downfall. I spread my wings and got out while the debacle started, why would I want a part of that. I'm here only to answer questions and reply to the people who attack me, but not for long, like I've told Iceman months ago, I will be slowly removing myself as I don't care for stagnancy.

Uri Quote:
So the question is, how come that the majority hasn't experienced all of what you seem to have had endured

Ocelotl Answer: Because it was not everyone involved. Just between me and a few attackers. Oh and no two people experience the same thing. (See I can play mind games like you too!!)

Uri UriQuote:
Please, either refuse to talk to people like us and then stay away, or come clean and put some bread on the table. I am completely tired of your fakeass allegations. Nobody wants to hear them because they basically lack any fact. Nobody in here has done you any wrong.

Ocelotl Answer: You can judge me all you want, from you delusional thinking. You have proved to EVERYONE here that you have no integrity and that you are a lier. Why would anybody want someone like that here. You see how idiotic it is to even say that, I could care less if you post here or not.
I could say more, but then I would be judging you and it wouldn't be right because I don't know you.

Uri Quote:
This is my last attempt to share with you, and if you are again dissmissing my heartfelt insights, disregard my knowledge on the subject and my personal teaching that is mirrored within this very letter, I shall no longer treat you as my equal, because I have not given you the permission to dishonor me.

Ocelotl Answer: I've only treated you as a friend, where do you come up with all this hate? Now you don't want to talk to me, that's fine. You have dishonored me big time, but that's okay I forgive you.

Kerstin,
Good to hear that! No they can't fool us, I was wondering what on earth you were doing at mtsar. I've always felt they were some kind of secret group and I told them. It's funny, they all fled Newcastle when we started speaking out!! And no response from my thread, elusive mindgames.

I'm not going to have anything to do with them, I understand what is going on. They just give themselves away, by blowing off people and calling everyone childish, which is another way of saying you are inferior. ANother thing they do is blame the disinformers as being the Christian fundamentalists, when they are the worst and evil of the cointelpro. They even pretend they are Christian cointelpro to test you to find out what side you are on and who you are.

I saved Kris's emails to me from the past and WOW, now I can see the pattern. He talked a lot about you, I don't know if you want to put this behind you, but you should read them, because you will see the tactics they use. I will send them to you if you want. I don't care to gossip, but this is very important to know. Can you believe, Kris actually said he would like to talk with me in person!! He probably would have got rid of me for good!!!

Thanks for the email, send them anytime........

Just read the other email from you. You mentioned you were on mtsar to fish out the good ones. You should have just pmed me with your suspicions, because I was having the same conclusions.
But I can see, that maybe you thought I wouldn't believe you.


It was Q. and his brothers that I didn't care for, but I sensed another entity there and that was cointelpro. They are the one's that had me go. I still don't know if Q. and Timothy are Mason brothers or disinformers.

I questioned why mtsar is talking about these end times and all that and how does he know, well the answer is simple, he is a brother. And whether he knows it or not he is helping these illuminati spread the word about their prophesies. All these things are going to happen because they make us believe in their revelations, add in a false God and their you go, a brainwashed sheep.

I looked back at my pm's on the mtsar forum and found these from kris. I really do deep down want to believe he is a good person, but I have this vibe about him. I really don't think he is that Korean man in the picture he has.
I confirm that he is a mason and here are some of his older pm's that you need to know of. He wrote these to me early on when he thought I was a guy.

As for Keif, who is that. Is it Viv or Q? I saved my pms from Q. and will look at them again.
Anyway, hope you got some break time from these people. Good to good hear from you Jaguar, big hug and hope you get some sunshine

I just realized something after reading Viv's pm that you posted on the Outlaw. Knowing how sneaky they are, he could have wrote "p.s don't post this on the forum", because HE KNEW that you would, being the kind of outspoken person you are. He could have done this to get back at Andre for banning him. To get you on Andres case...........
Or he could have just done it to upset you and all of them are brothers and knew you would get the bait.

Kris knows Thaiz's/Vajra's other name by the way. Hopefully she was the one who told him it.

WELL, Kerstin.......Queen of Night and Q. are talking about exactly what you are trying to do on the Atlantic/Genetics thread, pg. 193. Do they know what you have done?

Here is what QofN wrote:

"""Yes yes, I've written so much about this and you know I think Jones has major problems...but like I said before, it took me FIVE MINUTES of listening to him the first time to realize his M.O. I think he's got all kinds of mind control going on in his own life, but that has NEVER detracted from his message, which has a lot of great elements in it.

What I'm talking about above are not DISCERNING minds like yours QSC...I'm talking about people like Andre who USE THIS SHIT to distract people and pour huge amounts of energy into the "everyone is a shill" without proof bullshit.

I'm telling you, I watched him and others like him START WITH JONES AND ICKE....I figured they'd get to Tsarion but didn't think it would be such a circus. The ANTI-OCCULT crowd was probably really easy to turn on Tsarion and Icke.

Michael is right to say, WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? Has anyone investigated shits like Andre? No. He's small time but big enough to make a stink and get fearful people with no lives to start slinging shit. They say accusations without any backup.... Anyway, please don't think I don't appreciate your insights on Jones""

Do you think you will ever post on the mtsar forum again. If they only knew what you are doing. And by the way what happened to mari on the PP and then she went to the Outlaws? I really liked her and never had a chance to get her email, she would be great to have on a forum.
Yeah, those NATO's and brothers know they are busted. You did upset them. I would let them cool down and then come back maybe under a different name. I don't like the way they threaten or recruit people and I wouldn't want them to do that to you or anyone trying to wake up others.
I think the lower level masons are really caught up in something they have no clue of and are really trying to be good and to follow the brotherly, charity rules. So I don't condemn those kind of brothers at all, they are innocent and caught in a trap, just like all those brainwashed Catholics.
Why would kris post a picture of Q, just to distract you??

Kerstin, just wanted to let you know what this person wrote today on Newcastle. Pretty sad...........

Viv wrote:
(Uri hacked into my OUTLAW FORUM account, my personal profile at the NATO IMS, my banking records, and another Techonology Forum called OrangeHRM. I have called the Police, because it has gone too far.

I am NOT a disinfo agent.

I did the same thing to Mtsar. Forums can become dangerous if your personal info is hacked or your life is threatened.

Uri should be encountering the Police any time now. Maybe they can teach her a lession about invading others' space.

I can't believe the internet has become so evil.

And you are right dude. We should be Outside enjoying nature and reading REAL books instead of WIKIpedia.

It makes sense.

Sorry to those I offended

P.S. - Be careful what you post on the internet. and Ask your employers how safe their internet Databases are. NATO was hacked very easily. I wouldn't even trust online banking anymore.

CIAO and PEACE to ALL!!!!
This slut has even hack into my Great Grandfather's military honors records at the quirinale.it online database

IS EVERYTHING GOING TO BE ONLINE IN THE FUTURE?????)

kris reply
Don't worry about it, she doesn't mean you any harm. She is anti-mason i think.

Kerstin,
Viv said he would drop this thing on the cops.

I tried to write him on newcastle, without looking like I was trying to defend you, it would just make matters worse. I had a feeling something like this would happen, that's why it's good to take breaks or go under another name.

Dice (Uri):

@ Vivanus Vivaldi III, you should also edit the post were you accuse me of having hacked into your Outlaw Account. This is not the case. I received an e-mail from (appearantly) you, suggesting to work for Nato and I know you like playing games with people. Now...tell me - I must have really upset you - so much so that you decided to visit me in Berlin in the summer of 2008? Only to see for yourself that I am who I am? Or was you actually trying to impress me? I saw you in Mauerpark on top of the hill about 30 meters away. You was with your "bodyguard" or friend and I signaled to you that I caught you observing me. Later you sat down at the round open-air theater of that park waiting for me to pass by on my way home while you were smiling and nodding your heads at me. I bet you didn't expected the "vampyr" to notice you straight away...or it must have been the shock to encounter the real thing... now one just needs to know what that "real thing" really is and I guess you do know enough. But this whole incidence made me wonder how you were able to locate me that easily. No hard feelings here....I was just surprised to see you, that's all.

I now believe that Uri was innocent. Troy and I think that someone was purposely sending messenges to everyone to divide us. Its a common police tactic.

It was a pure coincidence of encountering Uri in Berlin, she looked sacred so I decided not to go after her. Anyway, I was there to give a harpsichord recital. I won a competition there many times for performing the Harmonous Blacksmith of Handel. I sincerely apologize to Uri, and I will delete the posts if Kris allows me to.

Hi Kerstin,
How are ya!! I was naughty and was snooping around on the mtsar. I'll give it to you in two posts...............

m lefey figure out a clue on the war on you thread on mtsar. I've always enjoyed this peson's posts, now m lefey speak out and are bullied by the Brothers.

It is only obvious that it is a Freemason website. All they talk about are the occult and you see the symbols everywhere. Not only that but they defend each other like a group.

I wanted to tell m lefey what I thought and give them a pm, but decided not to. I might if the brothers keep it up and harass this person though.

m lefey got it right when he said bush gave millions for disinformers to disrupt forums. I don't think this person knows that this is a Brothers(ex masons too) forum and they all defend each other no matter what. Of course, the brothers will put down and say they dislike the illuminati, otherwise people would know who they are. You know deep down they really worship what the illuminati represent and that is POWER. They all want it. And that is exactly why they all put down the Jews on the mtsar forum. Because the Jews, being the entreprenuers they are, realized the illumati's ways and wanted that power themselves, so now that they are accumulating it, the illuminati/brothers etc. don't like that at all. Go figure.
m lefey thinks the group on mtsar hates Jews and confuses the mtsar brothers with the cointelpro causing hate. But it is so much deeper than that and goes way back to who's been in control it seems for the longest time, the Illuminati.

You know they only expose themselves(especially their shadow) when they pretend not to like the illuminati.

BTW, I've never seen a group more sadistic than these brothers are. They go to the extremes to being really subtle and making it sound like throwing a baby from way up high won't really hurt it because it has no conscious, etc., pretty sick............mind control at it's best. Oh yeah and the sickest thing is, they have younger, impressionable people thinking they must be right, a baby can't feel and since they just were born would not know the difference if they left their body or not or if they were killed in a violent manner. It doesn't matter if the brother's say they were joking or not, YOU JUST DON"T SAY THESE THINGS!!!

It's kind of scary you saved things that long ago on me.

a devious, dishonest, disloyal, opportunistic, jealous, mediocre, selfhating, hopeless cxxx!

It was Q. and his brothers that I didn't care for, but I sensed another entity there and that was cointelpro. They are the one's that had me go.

And was their anything really negative I said about others and what gossip did I do on iceman?

I'm not going to have anything to do with them, I understand what is going on.

It was Q. and his brothers that I didn't care for

I questioned why mtsar is talking about these end times and all that and how does he know, well the answer is simple, he is a brother.

I don't think this person knows that this is a Brothers( ex masons too) forum and they all defend each other no matter what. Of course, the brothers will put down and say they dislike the illuminati, otherwise people would know who they are. You know deep down they really worship what the illuminati represent and that is POWER. They all want it. And that is exactly why they all put down the Jews on the mtsar forum.

BTW, I've never seen a group more sadistic than these brothers are. They go to the extremes to being really subtle and making it sound like throwing a baby from way up high won't really hurt it because it has no conscious, etc., pretty sick....

Hello Kerstin,
I'm so glad you figured it out. YES, LET'S GO!! I'm so tired of those kind of forums and yes they do drain energy. I know Kris was strange from day one. And sorry to say this, and I don't like to talk about people but Wings has some psychological issues, at one time I thought that Kris was a multi id of hers. Now I think Kris is using her or else she is cointelpro too. I know they tell each other everything about everyone in pms.

I pm'ed Ciggy and yes, from what I got back I confirm he is a disinformer. It's really sad to see someone you like be so perverted and is all a bag of lies. He calmly says a disinformer just points there finger at someone else, like those fundamentalist Catholics. And says oh those people don't bother me, they can't break my leg.

Would they love to have you on their side, you would be a very good spy.

Now I really have to say this, if you think Timothy is Iceman, Timothy sure is underfucked!!!! I don't mean to be mean, but it's too funny, since Iceman tries to get all the females!!

You posted something before you left on Newcastle about Jahbulon. I found this link from the outlaws from BB, one of the brothers. I remember posting something about entities awhile back on mtsar, because I heard that is what the freemasons use to get power.
And they either ignored me or pretended that I meant entity as in a corporation or group and started talking about all these corrupt ones. So they think they got away with that!!!

I'm thinking that this manicmoon/queens of the crop person is the outlaws game. They are sexist/racist/fascist fucks! So in order to get rid of the women (who are the cause of all their problems, because the outlaw forum was never schizophrenic like this before, YEAH RIGHT, that's all it's ever been!!) they call out a banning rule right away, then introduce these two characters (who are trying to cause fights, so that the gals will be lured in and then cause trouble, and then guess what! Andre will have a reason to ban us gals!!

This could also be the mtsar gang. Mtsar needs to get the dirt on mahalah, so his brothers pose here, saying they need all us gals emails and stories on this mahala/female crisis, afterall he records things and has his lawyers........

Everyone knows you are a wonderful person and mean well.

Kerstin, are you a spirit guide, do you teach people. I had no idea!

It's like deja vu all over.

I thought this reunion would be nice, funny how tatina and I joined at almost the same time. I'm glad she is on outlaws.

I"ll tell it reminds me of our bombastic meeting when we first met! And you know what I meant to tell you.

I'm sorry for causing any stress or hurt when we had our fight, you know what I said really only hurt myself. So please forgive me.

Thought is the rootcause of good and evil because thought (mind) divides reality into different compartments.
Feelings don't do that, feelings are the most honest expression there is, that's why sly people always need to hide their true feelings from others.

Sophrosyne (σωφροσύνη) is a Greek philosophical term etymologically meaning moral sanity and from there self control or moderation guided by true self-knowledge.
Greeks upheld the ideal of sophrosyne, which means prudence and moderation but ultimately its complex meaning, so important to the ancients, is very difficult to convey in English. It is perhaps best expressed by the two most famous sayings of the oracle at Delphi: "Nothing in excess" and "Know thyself."
The term suggests a life-long happiness obtained when one's philosophical needs are satisfied, resembling the idea of enlightenment through harmonious living. It is a nearly lost Classical ideal, but is enjoying some revival today with its emphasis on individuals to live within the proportions of reason and nature, this being achieved through practical wisdom and self knowledge.

Feelings and thoughts working in evolved union create wisdom