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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 08 May 2010, 08:07

Are these books by Farrel and Lavenda believable in any respect or are they novels mixing fact with conspiracy and with fiction?
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Sat 08 May 2010, 10:10

I find that the "roots" of any public researcher could reveal many aspects of their own influences, some that they may not be even aware of themselfs at the conscious level, but that is always a personal speculative concern for each individual engaging with their works.

The work of farrell and levenda sounds extremely interesting, i should not let my own personal negative bias that farrell was an "oxford adjusted scholar" restrict my interest , dont know much about levenda


But the german esoteric connection is extremely fascinating regarding the hitler era and its modern sprouts

But good to hear your feedback on those works flames, i remember TG was also highly fascinated by these authors
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sat 08 May 2010, 17:48

Thanks for that review Flames.
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Post  seraphim on Sun 09 May 2010, 07:56

Nice review Flames.....

Directly from the donkey's mouth Annie Besant, "We have here a very excellent Theosophical book (THE SECRET DOCTRINE), with an evasion of all recognition of the source whence the ideas are drawn.

T.H Martyn's letter to Besant, president of australian T.S.
You have been relying upon C.W. Leadbeater as sole intermediary between the Hierarchy (the Trans-Himalayan Brotherhood, the Masters of Wisdom and yoursself for many years...C.W. Leadbeater's (later a Catholic Bishop) word is final and his seership infallible to you. The quality of this supposed 'seership' bears a very close resemblance to a stupic and vulgar hoax. This is clearly shown by Mr. Martyn, who says "In 1919 I went to America. Young Van Hook was in New York. He talked freely of C.W. Leadbeater's immorality and about faking the 'lives' of people. Mr. Mrtyn then puts together various pieces of evidence against this man, and tells Besant that he finds 'staring me in the face the conclusions that Leadbeater is a sex pervert, his mania taking a particular form which I have through only lately discovered, is a form well known and quite common in the annals of sex criminology. This sex criminal, then is the creature whom Mrs. Besant has accepted for many years as sole intermediary between herself and the Masters of Wisdom!
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3115554

Annie Besant's Corruption of the Secret Doctrine

In all probability Annie Besant's revision of H.P. Blavatsky's original edition of The Secret Doctrine constitutes THE MOST COLOSSAL CASE OF CORRUPTION OF AN ORIGINAL TEXT TO BE FOUND IN HISTORY. A group of student's is comparing the original edition with the 'third and revised edition, edited by Annie Besant and G. R. S. Mead, after the author's death....I am informed by those making the comparison that....the actual changes will be far more than twenty thousand.
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Post  seraphim on Sun 09 May 2010, 08:08

Here is the book that that had over 20,000 changes (a word etc)made to it, plus the price hiked up thousands of dollars so the sheeple couldn't read it. And no, I'm not going to waste my time being mad at them, may they all get back what's coming to them. I would recommend saving it on a thumb/flash drive.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd-pdf/sdpdf-hp.htm

some quotes......

"During the stages through which we have passed we mistook shadows for realities, and the upward progress of the Ego is a series of progressive awakenings, each advance bringing with it the idea that now, at last, we have reached 'reality' but only when we shall have reached the absolute Consciousness, and blended our own with it, shall we be free from the delusions produced by Maya."

"Time is but the panoramic succession of our states of consciousness."

"The initiate directs the "Eye of Dangma" towards the essence of things in which no Maya can have any influence. It is here that the teachings of esoteric philosophy in relation to the Nidanas and the Four Truths become of the greatest importance."

"The four truths, alaya or soul of the world...anima mundi though eternal and changeless alters during the active life period including in our plane, so men of knowledge and dhyani buddhas can merge with it. It is not nirvana, the basis of every visible and invisible thing."

"Alaya reflects itself in every object in the universe. The second truth, paramartha or self consciousness, dependent upon other things, relative and limited to absolute perfection.

"Matter is the vehicle for the manifestating souls on this plane of existence, and soul is the vehicle on a higher plane for the manifestation of spirit, and these three are a trinity, synthesized by life, which pervades them all.
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Post  seraphim on Wed 12 May 2010, 19:52

Of course this could be an embellishment? It could be a Native legend made into a recent UFO story, or it could have been taken from other's research as it is similar. But the message is that............something did happen......and humans did not just appear miraculously nor are they alone.
Another factual legend for the Natives, not a myth, is the Cherokee creation story is very similar to the Bible and the waters and heaven and earth separated with a tree of life. Many are similar so this familar story may be older than one thinks.
http://www.real-dream-catchers.com/Kokopelli_Project/teachings_of_the_star_elder.htm

"Native Americans tell a story of remarkable similarities, about the history of man. This story has its start on August 13, 1947, not long after the famous Roswell crash. Six Native Americans supposedly, came upon a smoldering metallic object in the New Mexico desert. Inside was an injured but very much alive alien being. For fear of the military's capture of the being, they decided to take the being home to care for it. To their amazement, the being was able to communicate images through the use of a small crystal device. Robert Morning Sky, grandson of one of the rescuers, tells the message of the being known to them as the "Star Elder". He claims that the beings name was Bak'Ti and that he has pieced together parts of man's early history from the teachings of the Star Elder. He states that the "Star People" have always been here, since the earth was a barren rock.

It was indicated that there had been much involvement with the human species, some benevolent, some not, throughout our evolution. According to Morning Sky's Terra Papers, humans were created through DNA manipulation, to be used as workers for alien mining operations on earth. At one point, an alien leader and brother competed for control of earth and so the leader mixed some of his own DNA into the gene pool, making the humans his children, so to speak. Other DNA was introduced from a bird-like race of high emotions and soulfulness. Over time, two very different humans emerged. One, a docile, easily controlled human, and an emotional and intelligent human, soon to develop independent will.

At one point, a fraction of aliens tried to destroy the willful humans by casting them into the wilderness to die and later to face the "Great Floods". However, the creator/leader managed to save a group of humans. Later, an alien leader named Ra, (perhaps the ancient sun god of the Egyptians) sought to eliminate all evidence of man's true history, in an effort to keep the humans ignorant and controllable. But, it is said that Ra lost to an alien race descended from reptiles, which might be known today as the "Greys" or perhaps the reptilians you sometimes hear about."

Bak ti sky god
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Post  seraphim on Wed 12 May 2010, 19:53

The Terra Papers
http://www.freedomdomain.com/Terrapapers/terrapapers.html
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 07:37

The saddest story perhaps ever told….humans born out of…….words can’t explain….sad because it tells more than the bible does, and because it is more true than the bible. Sad because what really happened is a hard truth to accept. Sad because it happened and we are there creation. And even sadder because we are not allowed to break free.
As for all disbelievers who don’t believe in a creator/alien, or what may have happened a very long time ago, there minds will be shattered by the truth. As here it is, obviously.

Unfortunately a person’s mind is so far gone that they would cause themselves to go insane if the truth was presented and that’s what is happening to them.

Morning Sky (what a name!) might just be saying this story is Native, because, you can’t just blow up those innocent people or call them liars just as easily as (or can they! They sure can!) some so called crazy new age or old age religion etc person telling this story.
The story is amazingly similar to other research, Stichen the most popular, so I did a little research myself.

Introduction to The Terra Papers
by Amaterasu

Robert Morning Sky, whose Hopi grandfather was amongst a group who saved an alien from a UFO crash (before the Feds got there) in the 1940’s, was given this story to tell. Sadly, there are pages missing and it would seem that there is much more to this story than even the missing pages couldn't account for, but what information Morning Sky does give us in The Terra Papers is a good place to start in understanding the reality of our Universe…

When I first read the Terra Papers I nearly quit somewhere around page 25. “What does all this have to do with our reality?” I asked myself. It all seemed to be so much science fiction. Sure, I knew a bit about Sumerian “mythology” to make connections, but it kept sounding like someone’s interpretation of myth and fanciful story construction, rather than anything meaningful in today’s world.

What kept me reading was the knowledge that this story was (presumably) given to the Hopi Indians half a century or so ago. Robert Morning Sky seemed so earnest in recounting what his grandfather was given, and the tale was not written as I would expect a story-teller to write it. There were typos, skipped words, misspellings, and other flaws that lent an authenticity to the work.

And so, I read on.

By the time I got to page 45, I began to put many things together. And the further I read, the more my Universe made sense. There were so many questions I had been asking WHY about in my life, and with this new paradigm, they all made sense.

My first big WHY had been the “war” on marijuana. Having researched not only the plant itself and its effects on those who used it, but also the costs to society that its illegality posed, I was completely mystified as to why there was any issue with it at all, and why we accept the price we are paying in terms of the hunting, arresting, processing, trying and incarcerating our citizens. And we are accepting the hidden costs as well: people with felonies on their record and all the attendant issues that brings; children ripped from loving homes (marijuana promotes loving and accepting behavior) to be neglected, confused and abused by the system they are thrust into; disenfranchisement of the convicted (in some states); time ripped from people’s lives wherein they are used as slave labor in the prison-industrial complexes… And WHY is there such a phenomenal effort to keep this drug illegal, with misinformation churned out in the guise of Public “Service” Announcements?

And WHY are the majority – well over 70% – in this country thwarted in efforts to legalize it so as to use it medicinally?

But by the end of reading the Terra Papers, I understood WHY.

Another WHY I had was the Codex Alimentarius – a document which calls all nutrients “toxins.” To follow the mandates of this insane document would starve billions. A human heart could not have thought this was appropriate.

WHY is Monsanto allowed to take over seed, foist the unknown quantity of genetic modification onto our food supply, and awarded judgments in their favor when their genmod crops contaminate the organic crops nearby?

WHY, again I asked, were there 600 plus empty FEMA prison camps in the United States? This is probably the most disturbing piece of knowledge I have. That we already house 25% of the world’s incarcerated with only 5% of the world’s population is horrendous enough – the total we incarcerate as of this writing is a little over 2 million individuals. Though we are scrabbling for more prison space (as if we don’t lock up enough people!), there sit these empty prisons that can house a (low) estimate of ten times the number we have behind bars now: twenty million! And there are rumors that underground facilities also exist, leading one to guess that maybe a hundred million or more could be locked up.

What human-hearted thing might we expect that would require even twenty million to be imprisoned? The whole of Mexico sneaking across our borders?

And on top of this, there are, within some of these prisons, rail cars that can shackle 150 humans at a time! Again… What could we possibly need with hundreds or even thousands of these rail cars?

No human heart would do these things. But there they are, ugly and impending.

If, however, we accept the story the Terra Papers gives us, all these things – and many others that might leave one scratching one’s head – make complete sense.

So I leave the reader with this: read past page 25, read past page 45. Read the whole of both parts 1 and 2. Though pages are missing, and the story is hard to follow at points, once you have read these fully, maybe your WHYs will be answered too
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread349701/pg19


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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 07:54

In the early 1990s, Robert Morningsky came to Australia, as part of a cultural dance troupe, and they performed and gave workshops at our local Maleny Folk Festival (now known as the Woodford Folk Festival).

A friend of mine, who ran a local UFO group, happened to have a stall, or leaflets on a table in some corner of the festival, and Robert happened to pass by and glance at it. Robert said he was familiar with UFOs and aliens, and expressed astonishment and amazement at the 'current ufo literature' being circulated. He was referring to the emergence of the Cooper, Lear, Lazar, and Sitchin information, which he considered to all contain pieces of true information, but which he was sworn to secrecy about.

He then absorbed heaps of copies of Nexus, read Bruce Cathie books, Sitchin, all the Lear, Lazar, William Cooper stuff, Matrix I and II - and started doing talks and workshops wherever invited. Great presenter, very charismatic and energetic and informed speaker - very popular with the ladies too!

He told me, over several meetings around 1991-3, that he/his grandfather etc, had sheltered some blue alien/ET from the govt, and from other ETs for some time. This ET had imparted information and knowledge, which Robert said he was sworn not to reveal, until the 'right' time. He emphasised, that a lot of this information about Earth, its history, and its relationship to ETs, was contained in parts, scattered over a lot of the stuff he read put out by Lear, Cooper, Lazar, Bruce Cathie and Sitchin.

He felt strongly that he should now be allowed, by his tribe, to reveal all their knowledge from the blue ET that they had sheltered. I understood that upon his return to the USA from his first Aussie trip, he sought this permission from his tribe - but that it wasn't forthcoming due to 'politics'.

Anyway, he came back to Australia and did larger scale talks and presentations, on pretty much what is now in the Terra Papers. He told me, that to avoid technically breaking his vow of silence during these presentations, he would select the bits from Lear, Cooper, Lazar, Bruce Cathie and Sitchin etc, that 'matched' what the blue ET had told him and his people, and stitch them together for his talk/workshop. Which is what he did, plus he added questions that he thought people should be asking.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread365695/pg2
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 08:00

Some interesting theories from website above I didn't post.
A few of my comments from the book.....
Quetzalcoatl’s ancestry page 38
People, to this day still have to complete their labors in order to get what they need to survive. But they even more so have to work for the establishment, giving up their energy and money to them.
They have to work first, as they were from the beginning slaves.

Interesting quote on pg. 39, to this day unbelievably it’s still the same way….if the beast, meaning humanoids, were threatened they would return to the system to keep up their survival. Back then they were more independent, but now we are threatened with just about anything, so that we become very dependent on the system. If a farmer wants to eat their own food now they can't, they have to have gmo for eg.

Pg. 42-44…….the return of the Jedi? Sheti
……..the God in the bible makes it’s debut.....what do you know that light at the end of the tunnel what most people last remember.......before memories are wiped out….so called at death

The book is limited only to the lower dimentional realms, however. There is a spiritual, higher dimentional component that must be understood that goes along with this information. Morning Sky broaches this by mentioning channeling, but a lot of discernment must be used to measure the motivations of the messages coming through the many different channelers on Earth right now.
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 08:57

That's the first thing I thought rainyday, my gosh that means there must be something wrong with us!!!LOL
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Post  seraphim on Thu 20 May 2010, 06:18

I strongly believe, all that I have researched, that Islam was a cult created by one man, who drugged/mind controlled their male followers and promised them eternal salvation. The CIA have certainly understood how well of a mind control trick this is, so they started up their "Al Quada".
I have read about that too and how Hitler was picked and used under mind control to lead the Nazi party, he also was into drugs. Don't know if the drugs involved helped with the brainwashing or if someone wanted him to overdose.
But for sure the rulers pick a person, just as they did the messiahs, to be the new, heavily mind/behavior controlled leader.
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Post  tgII on Tue 25 May 2010, 00:56

Mr. Z would like to impart a message to you:

    "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." -- Zbigniew Brzezinski in his book Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era


Do you have a Facebutt account? If you do you may want to
consider shit canning it. It will be technocratic neo-feudalism
unless people understand what is going on here. Personally, I
want no part of Mr. Z's future.


  • Facebutt - stepping stone to Mr. Z's
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Post  seraphim on Wed 26 May 2010, 05:44

Don't know if there is some kind of serious dysfunction in the brain........when people see a real possession, or mind control or think of the paranormal or anything not in their made up reality....they automatically think it is a hoax. Some kind of short circuit going on.

I strongly believe Obama is mind controlled for example, but I don't believe he is drugged. If so, I don't "want what he's havin".
And Leo Zagami may have been possessed perhaps.
Okay Obama may have been concerned, but it gets funny after awhile......


Alcohol, not just opium and other drugs were started hundreds of years ago to get people addicted. I think Gurdjieff said something about how alcohol (especially in Europe awhile back) was also introduced to keep people as sheeple.

It's been some serious mass scale production of some very low grade sheeple going on dude!
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Post  tgII on Mon 07 Jun 2010, 08:49

  • It's been some serious mass scale production of some very low grade sheeple going on dude!


Low grade?! I'll say, so low it's like scraping hardened maggot
infested shit off the barn floor.

Look what I found, something to soften, hopefully, the 'shit' on the
barnyard floor, one of the most important books I have discovered
in years. And by the way, Obama is a British agent in case anyone
hasn't figured it out yet.

  • Hidden Secrets of the Alpha Course


You guys definitely need to read this one. And to help with
comprehension like nothing I know to build retention and
culture in our rapidly deteriorating brains, some Robert
Schumann:

Sviatoslav Richter plays Schumann Fantasiestucke, Op. 12



Big thumbs up on this book, very powerful insights into
our collective circumstances.
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Post  seraphim on Mon 07 Jun 2010, 19:24

Can't wait to download that one tgII!
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Post  seraphim on Wed 09 Jun 2010, 03:11

Here is another individual, Ken Carey, who encountered Beings around the late 80's, seems that the next time opening for the Beings will be soon. Haudenaussee it is from the Native perspective you might find interesting. Reminds me of Ea and his helpers. To Great Spirit....some quotes here.....

Experienced these Beings as spatial entities of extensive intelligence, inhabiting the higher frequencies of the light/energy continuum, living breathing, having their very being in the eternal presence of that immense reality we call God. In accepting the present moment nature
of its timeless spirit, he found he shared it's understanding of the past. In one past life experience he was a Native American who spoke of the essence of love. "Love, like energy, cannot be destroyed. Whenever love has found it's way into dimensional expression it leaves emotional alterations in the texture of the universe. Wherever that love was experienced in the past could still be experienced. Events can be reconstructed from the impressions of love."
Reminds me of Quetzlcoatl.....
Remembered in African creation myths, honored by Australian Aborigines, recalled in folk traditions of every earth people, they are the Bird Tribes. Releasing their identities in the burst of joy that translates them into light, they flew outward from their source stars, riding waves of light across the sea of space until they reached Earth. Each of them came from a different star yet their Being is the source of every star.
Throughout our twilight age a few have remained to guide and teach us. Some twenty five centuries ago most had departed, waiting the return of our intelligence and the slow turning of the sacred cycles that would favor our awakening. For three and one-half billions years on this Earth, they of the other realms have fine tuned and sustained the precise planetary temperatures most conducive to our growth and development.
Rise from our cultures to remember our origins and nature: light bodies, like stars, creating time and space, distances between you, painting spatial landscapes on the screen of time, drawing stardust into the dancing fields of your light. But as long as people open their hearts to the frequencies of fear, they are not in a position to understand, only to give credibility to fear's illusion. The true human can tune into nature and give it expression. Each form of created life is energy manifesting in matter ever changing, ever flowing into something always capable of more expression, more unfoldment, more revelation of spirit world potential. The true human is designed to aid the development of all life forms, drawing out their ever expanding capacities to provide always fuller revelations of that which lies in the heart of God.

Stardust, Frozen starlight. You call it matter. It is a an art form with which the Bird Tribes have worked for twenty billion years. We have sculpted it into systems, galaxies and a universe of rainbow-light worlds. We are the children of light. We have been given the task of creating dimensional reality. We draw order, structure and beauty out of the vibrating music of starlight. In all life, our spirits manifest the Creator's designs. Yet only human circuitry has the capacity to embody the full reality of who we are, of who that Creator is, of who, in truth, you are.

In the early days, our work was to catalyze biological activity in the oceans of this world and to oversee the growth and development of incarnate creatures, both enclosed in physical form and when remaining luminous beings of pure light. Throughout all of the earths' early ages, when it was necessary to clothe ourselves in physical form, we did so through a conscious process of materialization, a process that allowed us to draw into our luminous fields, in a very few moments, the atoms and molecules that would dress us in matter.

The forms we assumed during those early ages were of human shape, though lighter and less substantial than the bodies you wear today. The drawback of materialization, however, was that it took much of our energy and attention to maintain the bodies in which we dressed. So, though we had the advantage of physical instruments through which to create, sustaining those instruments was both awkward and distracting. We wanted to devote more of our attention to our creative activities and less to sustaining the bodies through which we were creating.

The solution was to create physical bodies that were self sufficient, physical bodies that would have physical identities to care for them-egos, designed to work intimately with us, both in the maintenance of our human projections and in our continuing work of creation upon the physical plane. To the first biological beings this was communicated:
We are your spirits. It is our presence here in this river valley that has called you up out of the soil. You are unfinished, incomplete, you are still not all that you can be. Some of what you now embody represents development in the right direction but some of what you now think of as yourself is in actuality part of what one day will become afterbirth. Let us help you sort this out in yourselves, so that by emphasizing the value of your bodies as dwelling places for the Great Spirit, your minds and hearts will remain open to communion with us. In time, that communion will flow into blending and both you and we will know ourselves as one upon the physical plane. In union, we will know completion.
One specific star of all the myriad stars you see twinkling in your night sky sends it's spirit to earth to incarnate in your individual human form. your ego is designed to help that spirit to remain creatively incarnate here.
Until you have bonded with star consciousness you remain unfinished. You do not yet know your own material or spiritual nature. You will in time. But we are to assist your species you know in peacefully experiencing this coming age while your species multiplies and fills the earth.......

This was welcomed overtime, but human egos took over forgot all about their spirit and potential and beings and creator. Forgot that spirit and ego are two manifestations of the same presence, that each human body is created by the presence of a spirit being on the material plane. The bonding of spirit and ego couldn't happen.
The Spirit world blueprints, the Great Spirit's operating instructions for the human body's proper use was ignored, the earth's guidance system, short circuited. Communication lost.

The Bird Tribes left at that time as people's free will was an essential ingredient in the larger, terrestrial gestation that was taking place.
As fear stirred up turbulence, the human ego became center stage. Crying desperately to images of a God cut in stone, as that's all that was left after the ego took over.
When conscious connection was cut off from Great Spirit, the people entered the twilight realms of subconscious where evolution, education and precise justice prevailed. The lords of karma meticulously rule these twilight worlds, like well trained umpires policing every wrong and right, seeing that the books are balanced at the end of every age.

The physical level was the level on which the warrior peoples (Natives) had fallen. It was the only level on which they could be made whole. Incarnate lives were required to teach them the folly of fear-motivation. The people of the Bird Tribes came and went off the face of the Americas without a single name being carved in stone, with not one stone head being raised in arrogance to look out over the sea, with not a single human bone left to note them in the Mother's soil , for they ascended, these tribes-and left no remains.
After the rebellion (ego/spirit split) a certain amount of warrior energy (fear and ego imbalance) had penetrated throughout all the fields of thought and emotion that surrounded the earth, but in the Americas, the Bird Tribe's continental auras filtered out the most turbulent of those influences.
The bird tribes remained in America, honoring spirit selves, balancing with nature, living in harmony and kept out the fear disease as long as human populations were small and the collective human consciousness (based on falsly guided ego and fear) was not making itself felt on a planetary scale. But about twenty five hundred years ago, people had multiplied sufficiently to signal the distinct beginning of a global human consciousness.
Humans are obscured they have no vision because they turn their perception over to others. They refuse to give credibility to any experience not easily put into words. It doesn't exist if it's not in their language. They let others do the seeing for them. Give away their power. Become unwitting prisoners of a popular, language centered fiction. and not notice anything.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Thu 24 Jun 2010, 20:24

Here is the book that changed my perspective and began my awakening...

Ralph Epperson...The Unseen Hand...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22027837/13947234-Epperson-the-Unseen-Hand
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