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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Sun 21 Mar 2010, 19:53

I've completely flipped on this, seraphim, I am actually beginning to
think eugenics should be implemented, when I take a look around me
and see the human shit that is the result of some pretty whacked out
people, and I'm no gem myself, I really have to start thinking there has
to be some alternative.

People should be prevented from just simply randomly breeding without
some kind of checks and balances put in place on people brought into this
world whp spend a lifetime of misery and suffering and are not willing to
improve themselves.

This weekend I traveled from my quiet country home filled with trees, long and unobstructed views of mountains, lakes, snow-covered farms and deafening silence with a most relaxing stillness into the city of Oslo. In Oslo, I was greeted with concrete, glass and steel. A disgusting sight, sound and smell was to be had at every turn. It was if my eyes were looking upon a painting of mud and shit as I drove into the city. After parking, I walked along the streets and into the retail hell of stores and shopping malls hoping to find the few things I needed quickly so that my eyes and senses would not be overburdened by the impositions and insults bombarding my sensory organs.

The people. Many of them you can sense are just at zombie level of operation. Just fulfilling the role of having their base needs met and moving onto the next day to continue their drone march. Buy, buy, buy, consume, consume, consume, absorb entertainments, absorb the next thrill, turn me on, do something for me...dark hole of humanity ever-sucking eddy of despair and desolation lacking substance and humanity in any real sense of the word. All covered with social plumage of electronica, fashion and make-up all attempting to heal the primal wound within or anesthetize themselves to it.

But within the masses you can see and fell the few people who are not like this. They exhibit a natural, not contrived, cleanliness about themselves. They are straight and erect in their posture. They are thoughtful in their movements. There is a beauty to these people who have something of depth still within themselves. I can only wonder what they do to keep their sanity in tact...selective blindness and selective amnesic thought swiping at the end of each day to reboot and start anew. But even these people beyond the superficial assessment will also show their dark sides of the personality when one begins to tread to closely into their emotional quagmires and tar pools.

Upon leaving, I could feel my chest and eyes relax. The scenes of nature began to surround me as I ventured further from the city and the bathtub ring of the suburbs surrounding it. My few retail necessities in hand and safely secured. Another mission to that strange planet known as civilization successfully accomplished. My hopes that it will be another six months to a year before I ever have to convince myself of the need to return.
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Re: Musings On The Bible

Post  seraphim on Mon 22 Mar 2010, 06:47

Kapis, hmmm... Sodom and Gomarrah....the Lord appears through old men with sticks! Mother Superior would not like that, she's going to get out her whip!

Sounds like some kind of nightmare you went through quicksilvercrescendo, but really those few people in Oslo you talked of seem to be able to keep the essence of Nature within them perhaps. What a peaceful place you live at.
Back to bible study.

The Vedic bible story.....
The Dharma-shastras claim to be divine in origin and to have been passed on by ancient rishis who cannot be identified as historical figures. Manu is found as early as the Rg Veda (c, 1200 BCE), where he is described as Father Manu, progenitor of the human race. In the Satapatha Brahmana of around 900 BCE, Manu is clearly the father of mankind when he follows the advice of a fish and builds a ship in which he alone among men survives the great flood. Afterwards he worships and performs penance and a woman, Ida or Ila, is produced and he starts mankind with her.
Manu was also the first king and the first to kindle the sacrificial fire. As the originator of social and moral order, he is the rishi who reveals the most authoritative of the Dharma-shastras. Manu's text, the Manusmrti or Manava Dharma-shastra is the earliest of the Dharma-shastras. Its date is uncertain, being somewhere between 200BCE and 100 CE. It probably reached its present form around the second century CE. In the section of the text on rajadharma, the king's dharma, there are passages on Hindu law. It was these passages which were first noted by Western scholars and so the text became known as the Laws of Manu.
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/ascetic/dharma.html

IN INDIAN mythology Manu is the first man and the legendary author of an important Sanskrit code of law, this book. It is also called Manu Samhita and Manu-smriti.
The name Manu is associated with "man, male", and sometimes to "think". In Hinduism Manu is known as the first king. Rulers of medieval India traced their genealogy back to him.
The epic poem Mahabharata says:
"Manu was endued with great wisdom and devoted to virtue. And he became the progenitor of a line. And in Manu's race have been born all human beings, who have, therefore, been called Manavas. And it is of Manu that all men including Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and others have been descended, and are, therefore, all called Manavas. Subsequently, monarch, the Brahmanas became united with the Kshatriyas. And those sons of Manu that were Brahmanas devoted themselves to the study of the Vedas.

"The ten sons of Manu are known as Vena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhru the ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. They all betook themselves to the practices of Kshatriyas. Besides these, Manu had fifty other sons on Earth. But we heard that they all perished, quarrelling with one another." [Mahabharata, Book 1: Adi Parva: Sambhava Parva: Section LXXV]
http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk4.html
and then more esoteric....
Manava-dharma-sastra.
Manu in the esoteric system is the entities collectively which appear first at the beginning of manifestation, and from which, like a cosmic tree, everything is derived or born. Manu actually is the spiritual tree of life of any planetary chain of manifested being. Manu is thus in one sense the third Logos; as the second is the father-mother, the Brahma and prakriti; and the first is what we call the unmanifest Logos, or Brahman (neuter) and its cosmic veil pradhana.
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 07:43

...mankind is headed into some really dark transitional period.
...To the Outsider he or she is disgusted at the level of decay and filth all around us.
...where my eyes are not blasphemed by constant human filth.

But I can't help but to turn my eyes inward and see what blackness is festering in my own heart.

Once out of the city and in nature, I found the pus beginning to seep from the wound.
There are moments of release and exhilaration, and then dark moments of dealing with deafening silence and stillness.
The silence and stillness has a gravity, a weight about it, that can actually feel crushing.

That crushing is the insignificance one can feel out in nature amongst the trees and animals. As you now realize just how fragile you are in this world and that your needs are so numerous for your comfort that you are not strong in nature, but truly dependent upon it. You need your nail clippers, toothbrush, haircut, shoes on your feet, clothes to stay warm, a place to sit your ass so it does not hurt.

Each attempt to shed the essentials reminds you just how much you need them. As bleeding hangnails and cracked fingernails remind you of the need for clippers, foul breath and scum on your teeth remind you of the need for a brush and paste, hair in your eyes and ears stinking and itching scalp remind you of the need for fresh water, showers, soaps and the products of hygiene and self-maintenance just to keep some sort of state of health.

The amount of effort to construct and obtain these materials from natural sources in the isolation would require vast amounts of knowledge, time, resources and none would be as good as the machine manufactured forms.

As time goes by and the days blend in together with no watch, clock or calendar you begin to recognize only when it is light, so you can do things like gather water and food, and when it is dark. In the darkness you stick close by your fire where the heat and light are. The night casts its illusions of dark moving forms in the distance as your eyes strain and blur to look out into the blackness for what it is that is making the rustling noises in the dry leaves. The adrenaline kicks in as the possibility of some better equipped and more skilled animal hunter or its pack may be sizing you up.

As you lay your head down to rest...you wonder if you are living or if you are dying. But even these question's answers do not matter. For you know if the will leaves you that you can just lie your head down...fall into the deepest sleep and choose not really wake up and do anything. And that you will expire should you choose not to expend your energy and initiate movement and purpose into the next day's itinerary of activities necessary for your continuance.

You are no longer a man or woman, American or Chinese, black or white, republican or democrat, middle class or lower class, sexy or reviled, accepted and proud or rejected and a coward. You are you...staring back at you. You have been emptied.

Once in this place and you wander yourself back into the crowded city cesspool, you realize that life is already over although functioning.
The sites and sounds of the city begin to eat away at your spirit and the demands of modernity suck you into their entrapments.
You cease to function...your body is on "life support". A car, an apartment, tv, computer, restaurants, amusements, trinkets...all of them keeping your heart beating, lungs breathing and brain alive. All you can do is look to those around you to suck out the life from them...to appeal to them for friendship or relationship...so you don't die. But you are already dead...just on societal dialysis.
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Post  tgII on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 09:50

  • It was if my eyes were looking upon a painting of mud and shit as I drove into the city.


Thanks guys, you help me stay focused and aware there really are
some pretty decent people remaining on this canvased "painting of
mud and shit", and qsc, that expression is etched permanently in my
brain, I'll be thinking about that as I commute into the city of Tokyo,
one mass of homogeneous concrete piece of shit called civilization.

Imagine this, 13 million people packed into the area of Tokyo,
what in the hell do they do all day long, just think that every
second the toilet flushes washing down another load of shit
and urine, hundreds of pounds of fish are eaten, couples are
copulating around the clock every second in some room, they
use enough prophylactics in one year to stretch from the earth
to the moon if tied together, what are they producing but
consumable products? This is existence? This is living?

This doesn't even account for the absolutely degraded level of
shit on television in which hours are spent nightly in this wasteland
watching idiots act like children.

You walk into any one of the thousands of fast food restaurants here,
order your shit and styrofoam and it is handed to you neatly wrapped
in colorful paper and cardboard, thirty seconds after sitting down and
stuffing this crap in their gullets, the paper and cardboard are trashed,
I mean, like what the fuck?

Well, let's stay on the good side, I mean, this shit is depressing. No
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 15:28

let's stay on the good side

Uh, when you really look at the picture...this actually is the good side.

What we don't see enough for comparison with the normal day to day pile of shit is the infernal hell of society's demented architecture and the everyday operations by individuals of the darkness creating events of mass horror, torture and death...

...we cannot conceive of the evils that exist in the darkest corners of the world.

It is more than obvious to me, based upon your Tokyo description, that we truly are emotive-sexual energy generating batteries somehow being sapped by, not just physical, but non-physical parasites and their own hierarchies of archonic-demonic forces.

That is the best explanation as to the great question... Why are we here and what is the meaning of life, as we know it?
Life...or should I say, parasitization within the Matrix reality.

Icke is not completely wrong. Nor is Carlos Castaneda.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:09

Why are we here and what is the meaning of life, as we know it?

Been thinking about that one much more in recent times , will add some comments later
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:16

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda
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Post  tgII on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 22:37

  • Why are we here and what is the meaning of life, as we know it?


You know, I thought about this long and hard last night, in fact, couldn't
sleep as I lay there contemplating this simple but very profound question.

I've narrowed it down to the following:

Anyway, here are my four reasons, first women, beautiful women:


  • Anouk Aimée - Thanks, Kapis


Then booze, can't forget booze, lot's of good booze:


Now for those special moments alone while walking in the
woods, what would nature be without 'magnification', weed,
heavy duty tote-smokin' grass:



    Legalize it you fucking boneheads,
    so we can stop all those Meskins from
    gettin' blown away in their drug wars.


And finally, a television, to keep me occupied and entertained
and to short circuit my thinking:


  • Sports indoctrination, sex, programming
    and psychological warfare.


No wait, holy shit, no, I mean, holy ghost, I almost forgot, couldn't
exist without religion
, religious indoctrination, how could we
possibly exist without religion?


  • Is anyone aware of the fact the Pope Rat and Queenie Elizabeth will
    be meeting in London in September of this year? What's up with that?


Has anything been left out? Shocked
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Post  tgII on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 00:06

Monsieur Haudenosaunee, Elle est splendide!!
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Post  tgII on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 00:27

  • now look what the musing's on the bible/babel thread has come to !? lol !


Well, if it's any titillation, at least we can say 'b' for Bible and 'b' for
very lovely breasts?!

Sodom & Gomorrah here we come, straight to perdition and babel!!

Wait until Flames views this lovely morsel, he'll go into meltdown.
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Post  KapitanScarlet on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 11:29

there still are some magnifiScent explorations + discoveries of direct experience even while walking through the valley of the shadow of death/Dark Knight of the Soul !? macroCosmicScopic + microCosmicScopic !
Show me the way to the valley of temptation and i shall join thee Jesus
Being a left-hand-dude (so to speak not literaly ) i was drawn to the beautiful textures around the left hand area , but as a sidenote, is the pinky finger on the lower side of proportions or is it just an optical illusion, not that that detracts in any way from the overall image of temptation

Imagine this, (actually its reality) a complete bible 1st and 2nd testaments and dont know how many official rewrites and not one "positive" mention of "The sexual equation" theres something fishy going on Very Happy in that vatican , they seem to indulge in that area a lot themselves on the perverted disturbed side

Its a potentially very dangerous equation psychologically but also a potential highly positive consciousness equation
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 08:06

What do you know, I found this research right before I read the Terra Papers. It led me right to the papers!
Eridu:

South of the Ur lay Eridu, or, in full, Guruduga, "the good city," wherein, apparently, lay the earthly Paradise. This is identified with the present `Abu-shahrein, and was the seat of Ea or Enki, god of the sea and of fertilizing streams. According to the tradition, it was there that the "dark vine" grew--a type, seemingly, of the tree of life. The later kings of Babylon sometimes bear the title "king of Eridu," as though rulers of the domain of Paradise.[

(13) The Land of the Sea:

The Land of the Sea (that bordering on the Persian Gulf), in which, seemingly, the Chaldeans afterward settled, seems to have played an important part in the early history of Shinar. Berosus speaks of its king Ammenon, who reigned 12 sari, or 43,200 years, and in whose time the Musarus Oannes, or Annedotus, arose out of the Persian Gulf. Like others referred to in the legends which Berosus refers to, he was half-man and half-fish. It is thought that these incidents, though evidently mythical, point to the introduction of civilization into Babylonia, from this point.
http://net.bible.org/dictionary.php?word=SHINAR
I tend to lean toward those who were persecuted (Berosus, Manetho...)and being lied about, as they have truth in what they say,
just as most of the ancient books were burned.
Manetho, Egyptian history 2 - "There was a king of ours whose name was Timaus. Under him it came to pass, I know not how, that God was averse to us, and there came, after a surprising manner, men of ignoble birth out of the eastern parts, and had boldness enough to make an expedition into our country, and with ease subdued it by force, yet without our hazarding a battle with them. They demolished the temples of the gods and at length they made one of themselves king, whose name was Salatis; he also lived at Memphis, and made both the upper and lower regions pay tribute, and left garrisons in places that were the most proper for them. He chiefly aimed to secure the eastern parts, as fore-seeing that the Assyrians, who had then the greatest power, would be desirous of that kingdom, and invade them; and as he found in the Saite Nomos, [Sethroite,] a city very proper for this purpose, and which lay upon the Bubastic channel, but with regard to a certain theologic notion was called Avaris, this he rebuilt, and made very strong by the walls he built about it, and by a most numerous garrison of two hundred and forty thousand armed men whom he put into it to keep it. Thither Salatis came in summer time, partly to gather his corn, and pay his soldiers their wages, and partly to exercise his armed men, and thereby to terrify foreigners. When this man had reigned thirteen years, after him reigned another, whose name was Beon, for forty-four years; after him reigned another, called Apachnas, thirty-six years and seven months; after him Apophis reigned sixty-one years, and then Janins fifty years and one month; after all these reigned Assis forty-nine years and two months. And these six were the first rulers among them, who were all along making war with the Egyptians, and were very desirous gradually to destroy them to the very roots. This whole nation was styled HYCSOS, that is, Shepherd-kings: but some say that these people were Arabians."

Now in another copy it is said that this word does not denote Kings, but, on the contrary, denotes Captive Shepherds, and this on account of the particle HYC; for that HYC, with the aspiration, in the Egyptian tongue again denotes Shepherds, and that expressly also; and this to me seems the more probable opinion, and more agreeable to ancient history.
[But Manetho goes on]: "These people, whom we have before named kings, and called shepherds also, and their descendants," as he says, "kept possession of Egypt five hundred and eleven years." After these, he says, "That the kings of Thebais and the other parts of Egypt made an insurrection against the shepherds, and that there a terrible and long war was made between them." He says further, "That under a king, whose name was Alisphragmuthosis, the shepherds were subdued by him, and were indeed driven out of other parts of Egypt, but were shut up in a place that contained ten thousand acres; this place was named Avaris."

Manetho says, "That the shepherds built a wall round all this place, which was a large and a strong wall, and this in order to keep all their possessions and their prey within a place of strength, but that Thummosis the son of Alisphragmuthosis made an attempt to take them by force and by siege, with four hundred and eighty thousand men to lie rotund about them, but that, upon his despair of taking the place by that siege, they came to a composition with them, that they should leave Egypt, and go, without any harm to be done to them, whithersoever they would; and that, after this composition was made, they went away with their whole families and effects, not fewer in number than two hundred and forty thousand, and took their journey from Egypt, through the wilderness, for Syria; but that as they were in fear of the Assyrians, who had then the dominion over Asia, they built a city in that country which is now called Judea, and that large enough to contain this great number of men, and called it Jerusalem. (9)

http://biblefacts.org/myth/moses.html
Amazing! Manetho and Berosus talk of what most likely happened, instead of what the bible which is the book of the Shepards and used to control people by their religion.
The Shepards control the sheep, who they want all people to be. And those were the Jewish people who believe to be the chosen ones by their God, which they in fact are, yes, chosen to conrol us the sheep!!
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 08:17

The first century Judean historian Josephus wrote Against Apion to combat the anti-Jewish tract written by the Roman grammarian and Homeric commentator, Apion (of Egyptian origin). Apion had composed a treatise against the Jews in the midst of the crisis which arose in the capital of Egypt, Alexandria, in the first third of that century. He had served as the official delegate to the Emperor on behalf of his fellow Alexandrians. Some aristocratic Egyptians had resented Jewish attempts to gain increased rights concomitant with their Alexandrian citizenship from the Roman emperor Gaius (Caligula). The conflict resulted in extensive riots (38-41 CE) during which the Jewish quarter of the city of Alexandria was burned. Just after Caligula died, the emperor Claudius quelled the unrest with a harsh reprimand to both parties in a decree whose text is preserved to this day (P. London 1912).

Apion recycled claims, made previously by the Egyptian author Manetho and the Greek writers Mnaseas of Patara and Apollonius Molon, that Jews were descended from a leprous group of Egyptian slaves that had fled the country, were misanthropes, worshipped the head of an ass, performed human sacrifice, and that Jewish observance of strange dietary laws and circumcision demonstrated their Egyptian pedigree. Josephus attempted to discredit Apion’s claims with a two-pronged ad hominem attack. The first is reflected in this passage, and the second questioned Apion’s legitimacy as an historian as well as the credibility of his sources.
http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/sourcebook/Josephus_Against_Apion_1223-6.htm
The following is how Josephus (who is the all and mighty now, all you (not everyone!), the blind, read about now) and the likes claim or rather lie about etc...that those like Annuis who want the truth are making up stories! Can you believe it, when it's Josephus and the likes now, who have erased your history!!!
Annius of Viterbo was a Dominican friar who in The Antiquities collected newly discovered texts by 11 ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Persian, Greek, and Latin historiographers. He accompanied these texts with learned commentaries he wrote that cited a wide variety of ancient and biblical authors ranging from Aristotle to Vergil. "Annius' book was The Da Vinci Code of its time," Stephens says. "It proved a grand conspiracy by Greeks to rewrite history so as to obliterate all memory of the Etruscans and their biblical ancestors, especially Noah, the founder of their empire." But, soon after publication, it was discovered that Annius faked 10 out of the 11 texts he "discovered."
joseph justus scaliger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Justus_Scaliger

Reminds me of Jesus his work and how he taught the Jews and others too. But Jesus believes in God, who is the Elohim in the bible. But
aren't they supposed to be not so good. They were at the transition from the last world to this one. Elohim, I believe means to twist, or has that word in it, that is what happens when one is possessed, so it could be that is how the Elohim can interfere.
http://www.mashiyach.com/consciousness.htm
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Post  seraphim on Sun 16 May 2010, 08:25

More on the God plural business, which the so called scholars can't explain and if so, make up an excuse, and the Elohim.
Is it obvious what's going on. Who in there right mind would give up their soul to another, almost all humans.....
Yahshua the Messiah acknowledged that possession by evil spirits or demons exists. He demonstrated that He had the power to cast these spirits out of man by just speaking words instead of performing elaborate rituals. He states: “But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of Elohim (God), then the kingdom of Elohim (God) is come unto you (Mt. 12:28).”

Higher authority on this question cannot be quoted than the Son of God Himself. Further Evidence for a Plurality of Divine Intelligences: I find a word on the subject fitly spoken by the late Orson Pratt, in a discourse delivered in 1855, in Salt Lake City. He said: There is one revelation that this people are not generally acquainted with. I think it has never been published, but probably it will be in the Church History. It is given in questions and answers. The first question is, "What is the name of God in the pure language?" The answer says, "Ahman." "What is the name of the Son of God?" Answer, "Son Ahman, the greatest of all the parts of God, excepting Ahman." "What is the name of men?" "Sons Ahman," is the answer. "What is the name of angels in the pure language?" "Anglo-man." The revelation goes on to say that Sons Ahman are the greatest of all the parts of God excepting Son Ahman, and Ahman, and that Anglo-man are the greatest of all the parts of God excepting Sons Ahman, Son Ahman and Ahman, showing that the angels are a little lower than man.1 What is the conclusion to be drawn from this? It is that these intelligent beings are all parts of God. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 342.)
http://www2.ida.net/graphics/shirtail/definiti.htm

Joseph Smith the Prophet declared that there is a plurality of gods. An indication of such plurality runs through the scriptures, ancient and modern. In the very beginning of time Adam and Eve were promised that they should "be as gods" (Genesis 3:5); and Jesus reminded the Jews that in their scriptures it was written "ye are gods." (John 10:34.) Paul spoke of "lords many and gods many." (1 Cor. 8:5.) Modern revelation presents the same truth when it says according to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was." (D. & C. 121:32)

This implies that many personages may have attained the power and place of Godhood. This does not make them in any sense coequal with God, or with his Son, or the Holy Ghost. Those who are denominated gods have a rank in the eternal councils, with corresponding power to help foster the purposes of the Father. There may be many generals in an earthly government, but only one commander-in-chief. Even so in the government of heaven.

We solemnly plead guilty to believing in many Gods. If this is a crime it is time for a new translation of the Holy Scriptures. Does not the good book say "and God said, let us make man in our own image?" What arc you going to do with the words "us" and "our"' in this Scripture? Does this not prove a plurality of Gods? Ex. 15-11 says "who is like unto Thee, O Lord, among the gods?" Deut. 10-17: "Lord, your God is God of gods and Lord of lords." Paul also refers to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, 1 Tim. 6-15, also see 2 Chron. 2-5, Psalms 86-8, Dan. 2-47, Dan. 4-8, Dan. 11-36. If you desire any more Scripture on this subject we will be pleased to give you chapter and verse. Notwithstanding we believe that there are many Gods, we worship only one God, the Father of Jesus Christ. Our enemies do not put it in this light, do they?

Josephus, the Hebrew historian (and Jew), makes a brief statement in his Antiquities of the Jews regarding the notion that angels procreated with the daughters of men. It is known that Josephus had early associations with the Essenes, which was a zealous Jewish religious sect that had some mystic teachings. This association may have led Josephus to adopt some of its doctrines and beliefs, obviously including the belief that angels created giants through mortal women.
(Josephus also condemned good people like Berosus or any philosopher who wanted to speak truths about history, Joesephus controlled history and spoken about all over the place because he was given the say so to control what was being said about history and only allowed what we have now and that is Plato and Aristotle and the like, anyone else was condemned. The older history from India was the alternative but no one seemed to study them, it was only the Bible, until recently, we have Blavatsky talking of the Dzyan and the Masters.)

The word "giants" in Genesis 6:4 is from the Hebrew word "nephilim" meaning, "a bully or tyrant." This word does not necessarily mean oversized as in the English word "giant," but can simply mean one who is a dictator or despot.

In addition to the meaning of the word "giants" as found through the Hebrew word "nephilim" we can also find one other oversight in verse four of Genesis chapter six. "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of Elohim came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Notice that verse four says that there were giants (nephilim) in those days, and that after the sons of Elohim procreated children with the daughters of men that there were other nephilim. The creation of nephilim, i.e. a bully or tyrant, came before the relationships between the sons of Elohim and the daughters of men.

The nephilim existed prior to these unlawful relationships, thus exposing one more blunder to the theory that the sons of Elohim originally created the nephilim. Furthermore, we can see that the nephilim produced by the sons of Elohim later become "men of renown." It does not say that the nephilim became supernatural giants, but men of popular status. Obviously, a type of totalitarian rule achieved this status.

Yahweh in numerous passages warned his people not to make relationships with those people from heathen nations. "When Yahweh thy Elohim shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when Yahweh thy Elohim shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other elohim: so will the anger of Yahweh be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art an holy people unto Yahweh thy Elohim: Yahweh thy Elohim hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:1-6).
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/13533
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Post  seraphim on Wed 26 May 2010, 06:30

The Elohim most popularly talked about in the bible so I put this post here........

It's crazy what one can find on the internet. And crazy what happened to me, it must be a hoax! But seriously, I thought at first this was another one of those enlightenment videos, but something else is going on. Not exactly sure what happened
because when I got to part 2 right when the lady started talking I went way out there and must have fell asleep sitting up!! It was very strange, something had a very big hypnogonic effect on me yesterday. It could have been the music.

They say some fascinating things about dreams. You might be interested in that Flames, because Mathers had dreams, especially one that haunted him of devastation, kind of like yours. They do mean something for sure. I wouldn't worry about going into a trance, unless you go under easily.

Marshall Mathers
2012 Wisdom of the Elohim
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/user/yowbooks
the start of the channeling at 5 minute mark
http://www.youtube.com/user/yowbooks#p/u/9/JlEEXFmT_Iw
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Post  quicksilvercrescendo on Wed 26 May 2010, 11:14

I refer you back to my previous post in this thread concerning the Archons...

God of the Jews and those of the Abrahamic Religions...Yaltabaoth (A.K.A Yahweh)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

The most probable derivation of the name “Yaldabaoth” is that given by Johann Karl Ludwig Gieseler, “Son of Chaos,” from Hebrew yalda bahut, ילדא בהות.

This is where one gets..."Order Out of Chaos".

Angels
A lion-faced deity found on a Gnostic gem in Bernard de Montfaucon’s L’antiquité expliquée et représentée en figures may be a depiction of the Demiurge.

Psalms 82:1 describes a plurality of gods (ʔelōhim), which an older version in the Septuagint calls the “assembly of the gods,” although it does not indicate that these gods were co-actors in creation. Philo had inferred from the expression, "Let us make man," of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to His helpers in the work of creation.[11]

The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis.[12] So Irenaeus tells[13] of the system of Simon Magus,[14] of the system of Menander,[15] of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and[16] of the system of Carpocrates. Again, in his report of the system of Basilides,[17] we are told that our world was made by the angels who occupy the lowest heaven; but special mention is made of their chief, who is said to have been the God of the Jews, to have led that people out of the land of Egypt, and to have given them their law. The prophecies are ascribed not to the chief but to the other world-making angels.

The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus,[18] makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of Him. Theodoret,[19] who here copies Irenaeus, turns this into the plural number “powers,” and so Epiphanius[20] represents Cerinthus as agreeing with Carpocrates in the doctrine that the world was made by angels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archons

God of the Jews...

Yaldabaoth

In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth,” comes into still greater prominence.

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

“Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, ‘I am God and there is no other God beside me,’ for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.”[21]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Jews. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma; but Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also,[22] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.[23]

Under the name of “Nebro” (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”
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Post  seraphim on Fri 28 May 2010, 05:35

I read the same paragraph on Yaldabaoth somewhere on the internet.
The original Jews were the 'chosen ones' to do someone's dirty work alright.

Psalms 82:1 describes a plurality of gods (ʔelōhim), which an older version in the Septuagint calls the “assembly of the gods,” although it does not indicate that these gods were co-actors in creation. Philo had inferred from the expression, "Let us make man," of Genesis that God had used other beings as assistants in the creation of man, and he explains in this way why man is capable of vice as well as virtue, ascribing the origin of the latter to God, of the former to His helpers in the work of creation.[11]
The assistants had gone bad like the Jew's messiah.

All I have to say is that my heart goes out to (not a blood sacrifice, sorry lizards!) to the ONE that gave people awareness and the potential(s) to not be slaves anymore.
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